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Not sure how they'd fit in characters like Professor X and Magneto since both of them are old AND powerful and have somehow not intervened in anything so far.

Unless they take it from the angle that they chose not to but the Infinity War was the last straw.

 trexmeyer wrote:
Not sure how they'd fit in characters like Professor X and Magneto since both of them are old AND powerful and have somehow not intervened in anything so far.

Unless they take it from the angle that they chose not to but the Infinity War was the last straw.

Super easy actually. The same way they would have to address how no mutants have intervened in any events in the MCU thus far:
Alternate dimensions.

With Dr Strange in the mix and the Multiverse a possibility, the MCU could easily introduce all X-men as existing in a parallel Earth that doesn't have the Avengers.
They could even do this as early as the conclusion of Infinity War. Somehow using the stones to reverse Thanos' snap and merge the 2 universes
Maybe everyone who disappeared went to the X-men universe?

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Exactly!

The Reverse-Snap ends up 'merging Universes'.

OR...easily enough..the X-Men and FF are 'new' and just showing up now.

FF are easy to fit in whenever, and the Mutant thing is another consequence of the UnSnap.

I really hope they merge universes rather than start them fresh for the X-men at least. That would allow them to use the already established actors from the X-men franchise. Hugh Jackman has already stated that he would be down with portraying Wolverine again as long as it was in the MCU.

Can you imagine seeing RDJ and HJ on screen at the same time as their respective long running characters? Pure awesome.

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 Lance845 wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
The funny parts are when ideas as bad as Frankencastle actually work (admittedly, Frankencastle did... not)

On that note, is Jubilee still a vampire?

Lol... yes. Also dumb.

However, when the x-men were getting ready to defend Utopia against Dracula's army of vampires (that whole sentence is dumb) it WAS really great when Nightcrawler (an ordained priest) blessed Iceman so he was made of holy water to fight them. That bit was amazing and genius.

That is beyond fething awesome, and brilliant. Nightcrawler is one of the best characters to come out of X-Men. He and Colossus are really what sold me on X-Men back when I was a kid. They both embodied they idea that there was more to them than what was seen on the surface, and remained some of my favorite characters. Of course, it turns out Colossus became a bit of an ass-hat later, which was a disappointment. But Nightcrawler has remained epic.

Nightcrawler also died not long after that.

I THINK the current nightcrawler is the age of apocalypse one. So the swashbuckling willing to kill nightcrawler.

No, I'm pretty sure that this current Nightcrawler is in fact the 'resurrected' original.

But, you know...comics.

What is the status of Jean Grey in the comics today? Alive? Dead? Clone?

Original flavor Jean Grey died back with the dark pheonix and was never resurrected. Every time people thought she came back to life she didn't. It was a clone or some other bull crap.

However, Cyclops went off the deep end and became kind of a new Magneto. Becoming more and more extreme in his protection of mutants. Beast went back in time and grabbed the original teenager team (beast pre blue hair, iceman as a snowman, angle, marvel girl Jean and Cyclops) and bought them to the present because Iceman made a comment like "Man... if Cyclops when we got started could see himself now, he'd kick his own ass." and also because Beast was dying from a 3rd stage mutation that was unstable or some crap. He figured he would try to set his friend strait before he kicked the bucket.

So the time displaced teenagers showed up and decided to stick around. Teen Jean is kicking around with the others and teen beast worked with some other people to help stabilize Beast so he managed to pull through but went from cat-like beast to a now more ape-like beast.

Cat like Beast? Eugh. When did that happen? Also, how did the teen X-Mean deal with learning about Madeline Prior, Rachel Grey, Nathan Grey and Vulcan/Scott Summers?

Well, yeah, I guess?

Except the real (our timeline) Jean Grey has now also been resurrected too.

For reals.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Cat like Beast? Eugh. When did that happen? Also, how did the teen X-Mean deal with learning about Madeline Prior, Rachel Grey, Nathan Grey and Vulcan/Scott Summers?

He had been like this for quite a few year now.

And became this



A year or 2 (maybe 3?) ago


Teen Jean read peoples minds to find out what happened to them. She was shocked and pissed at how fethed most of them became. With all the gak that happened to Angle over the years (Warren Worthington was full dead at this point with his body having the metal archangle wings but normal skin/hair and being a whole new person), beast dieing, cyclops becoming a magneto (also cyclops as a dark pheonix killed professor x), and iceman being pretty much the only normal ish one out of the whole original lot.

They found out all the fethed up stuff professor x has done over the years including wiping their own memories repeatedly.

Again, mostly just really pissed. They decided to stay here and fix their future instead of return to a past where they knew professor x would just mind wipe them again. Now they are basically stuck here since their past no longer exists after some other crap.


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 Mysterio wrote:
Well, yeah, I guess?

Except the real (our timeline) Jean Grey has now also been resurrected too.

For reals.

Apparently this is true. Just read the wikis on it. must be stories from within the last yearish.

Nobody stays dead in comics except Uncle Ben. Always remember that.

 Lance845 wrote:

Apparently this is true. Just read the wikis on it. must be stories from within the last yearish.

Nobody stays dead in comics except Uncle Ben. Always remember that.

It wasn't so long ago that was "nobody except Uncle Ben and Bucky".

The newer Beast looks like the older blue Beast from the 90's with a haircut. Cat Beast is stupid and dumb.

There’s so many artistic variations on X-men characters I got over cat beast pretty quick. There have been way worse designs over the 90s I mean years.

Egg-beater Havok is still up there in the annals of ridiculous character designs.

Cyclops didn’t kill Xavier either. He killed a Shi’Ar clone of Xavier because Xavier died in the 80s when he was infested by a Brood Queen. The Xavier that had existed for almost 30 years was a clone.

 Elemental wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

Apparently this is true. Just read the wikis on it. must be stories from within the last yearish.

Nobody stays dead in comics except Uncle Ben. Always remember that.

It wasn't so long ago that was "nobody except Uncle Ben and Bucky".

Uncle Ben Bucky and Jason Todd.


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Here is what I am hoping for.

Reverse finger snap. The stones bring back everyone.

Since it was one of the stones that awoke the powers in Scarlett witch and quicksilver I could see the finger snap being the trigger that awakens the x gene in those returned.

Obviously not all 50%. But maybe 10% of the 50%? So 5% of the earths population suddenly has their x gene activated and powers start popping up all over the place.

Have the government respond by trying to seal them all up. Cause fear of what you don't understand. Have Magneto be one of the people who is placed in the internment camps or whatever. Have them get mistreated, have him break out and start the homo superior movement.

Have Prof X try to get the teens and hide them and teach them.

You can update the characters to take place in the modern day without them being 100 years old. It sucks kind of to get rid of Magnetos WWII history but it's needed if your going to introduce them now.

It's the best possible way to kick off the x men in the current MCU and start them off right. Younger with long contracts and good casting. The next 10 years of marvel movies can be a big build up of the anti mutant crap.



As for the fantastic 4. Set their movie in the 60s. Have the accident mimic the ultimate one. It's a dimensional portal. Doom is there as a teen with the others. Doom does not go with them. They get their powers, they fight their way through the negative zone with Annihilus being the bad guy (set up for the Annihilation Wave later). When they get out time is different in the neg zone from the normal world. They step out into the modern day. Dr. Doom can be adult, fully formed, owns latveria doom in the armor with the magic while also getting fun teen FF who can become friends with spider man. They can be saying groovy and other 60s gak and it will be fun. Post credits a shot of Doom watching the news of the FF coming back "Kids missing since the 60s reemerge in NYC!" he shakes his gauntleted fist at the screen "Richards!"

Isn't it sad that the closest any movie has come to getting Dr. Doom "right" was that unreleased FF movie from the 90's? I mean, how hard is it to get Doom right?

The Purpleman from Jessica Jones was a better Doom than the ones I've seen in movies. So maybe Tenant should be Doom

 timetowaste85 wrote:
My only beef was the lack of Hawkeye.

Clearly would've been a different movie

I'd like to thank Civil War for finally having MCU Hawkeye actually ACT like Hawkeye.

 Just Tony wrote:
I'd like to thank Civil War for finally having MCU Hawkeye actually ACT like Hawkeye.

Blame Joss Wheddon. Hes a no talent hack whos writing teams saved his ass when he did tv.

I quite like Whedon and I'm not sure what he did to sour the internet against him so as of late, but he is sort of the Bendis of film. Both finding a lot of success in their character dynamics and both getting flack when existing characters get stretched to fill roles that don't quite fit them.

The trouble with Whedon is that he made one great film that no one thought could be done, in Avengers Assemble....

Then he made the same film again, but slightly worse, in Age of Ultron...

Then he took the leftovers from both of those, sellotaped them together, changed the names and called it a day in Justice League.

Basically, he's made the same thing three times, each iteration being slightly worse than the one that came before it. The MCU owes him a great debt for establishing its tone and style, but I'd be equally happy if he never wrote a comic book movie again.

Well the reason the internet in general hates him is because he got called out for abusing his actors on set. LIke, if someone made suggestions about their character that he didn't like or female actresses didn't do him "favors" he would reduce their part to a single scene an episode for a season. That demon chick towards the end of Buffy for example.


But me, Ive disliked him for years. His writing STAFF can help bring out good characters, but Whedon himself turns every person into a 2 dimensional single personality trait. Look at the difference between Firefly the show and Serentiy the movie. The character depth goes WAY down. And he talks a big game about strong female leads, but they have all been experimented on, or have super powers, or whatever. In his head strong means they can beat up the rest of the cast, not having any actual character too them.

Want another good example of Whedons writing talent? He's the writer of Alien Resurrection. It's super obvious once you know it.

THIS guys in a wheel chair, and THIS guys the black one, and THIS guy is the mean one, and Ripley has super powers and everyone has a super special weapon thats just theirs because if their 1 personality trait wasn't enough to make them stand out then a signature weapon just might do it! Character depth went all to gak in that movie. I wonder why?


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 Paradigm wrote:
The trouble with Whedon is that he made one great film that no one thought could be done, in Avengers Assemble....

Then he made the same film again, but slightly worse, in Age of Ultron...

Then he took the leftovers from both of those, sellotaped them together, changed the names and called it a day in Justice League.

Basically, he's made the same thing three times, each iteration being slightly worse than the one that came before it. The MCU owes him a great debt for establishing its tone and style, but I'd be equally happy if he never wrote a comic book movie again.

Disagree!

Also he didn't write Justice League. That hot pile of garbage was Zack Snyders fault.

 Lance845 wrote:

Disagree!

Also he didn't write Justice League. That hot pile of garbage was Zack Snyders fault.

Yeah, I barely associate JL with Whedon. I actually keep forgetting he had anything to do with it given its status as probably the most high profile salvage operation in recent memory.

I have to agree- and look at the progression of his television. Buffy, female gets turned into sex robot.

Angel, every female character dies, gets impregnated by demons, or possessed.

Dollhouse- every female character STARTS as mindwiped sexbots.

Firefly- we have mindwiped experiment, mostly personalityless soldier, the prostitute, and the cheerful mechanic.

Some of his stuff is great, but he really doesn't deserve his reputation for strong female characters- that was just Buffy, who he killed more times than a Winchester.

Buffy is one of those shows that really felt like it outlived its premise. It felt like they decided to go out on the heroic sacrifice and when the show was too popular to end there, really struggled to come up with interesting storylines. Double whammy for being a show that had a high school cast that tried to continue beyond graduation. Still waiting for the show that figures that one out.

 Gitzbitah wrote:
I have to agree- and look at the progression of his television. Buffy, female gets turned into sex robot.

Angel, every female character dies, gets impregnated by demons, or possessed.

Dollhouse- every female character STARTS as mindwiped sexbots.

Firefly- we have mindwiped experiment, mostly personalityless soldier, the prostitute, and the cheerful mechanic.

Some of his stuff is great, but he really doesn't deserve his reputation for strong female characters- that was just Buffy, who he killed more times than a Winchester.

And when the characters ARE good its only key episodes in a collaborative writing process on tv series. So you can attribute that to the other writers. Whedon on his own produces pure garbage. He can write snappy dialogue, and he can lay the foundation for an interesting world/setting, but his characters are like a 13 year old making dnd characters. You talk more about their class, equipment, and abilities then you do the actual person because there isnt really a person there to talk about.