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Fox has F4 rights, not Sony. That abomination of a film with MBJ as Torch was for Fox to hang onto the rights. They threw gak at a wall to keep it. Nothing more. However, with talks from a few months ago, it sounds like they’re ready to hand stuff back to Marvel. Fingers crossed.

Then that's everyone isn't it? Sony still has a piece of Spider Man and can make Venom films but who cares about not having Venom.

Ghost Rider? Are they still missing Ghost Rider?

A well done FF could be a long running franchise especially if they skip the origin and just get going.

And of course with Guardians of the Galaxy and Black Panther Marvel has pretty much proven they can make 2nd, 3rd tier characters sell.

Looking forward to Squirrel Girl Meets Groot.

Wow. Why has that not happened yet?

And it's the spinning money out of relative straw that's Marvel's biggest strength here.

Never mind 2nd and 3rd Tier characters - who'd actually heard of GotG before their film? Seriously? Hands up.

That gives them a certain creative freedom. So Starlord isn't quite the Starlord in the comics. Outside of a handful of the hardest of hardcore nerds, nobody is going to know or care about the difference. Superman? Well, you can't have him suddenly become a wisecracking surf bum, to pick an incongruous example for literary effect.

Marvel have hundreds of characters that can be nothing like their comic book counterparts on the big screen, and nobody will really give a flip provided the movie itself is good, and the screen character is compelling.

DC can do this of course. But seem to lack the nerve, preferring to rely on well trodden characters.

 -Loki- wrote:
I’d rather see some torch passing rather than recasting. Leaves it open for a surprise team up of both versions of the character as well.

Pass the Captain America mantle to Bucky (which might have been the original plan with his 9 picture contract) or Falcon rather than recast Steve Rogers.

Well, I like Sebastian Stan, I think he makes an awesome Winter Soldier, but as a brooding Captain America? I think he lacks the harisma. And what do you do with him? Put him in Captain America 4? Its not that I wouldn't watch it, but the bar has been set so high at this point I am not sure what it will really add to the universe. Are you only going to use him in group movies? Knock down Captain America from an A-List hero to a B-List? So I am ok with Steve Rogers taking a break and then showing back up at some point. As a matter of fact, if he were to come back 5 years from now for some support role, people would go nuts.

And while Disney no doubt would like to explore other hero groups and stories, I don't see them walking away from the Avengers. These movies are pulling in a billion dollars each. Disney has stockholders to answer to. Unless they are able to plow ahead with X-Men and maybe FF, I don't see another super hero team pulling in worldwide audiences.

Then again, I had no clue about Guardians of the Galaxy prior to the movie, and reading up on them I thought they were slowed. Halfway through the movie I discovered I had a giant grin on my face and it remained for the rest of the movie. And they are my favorite team. So I am sure Marvel will still succeed, but just not sure they should cut off the very thing that got them their success to begin with. So I think they should leave the door open.

** 'slowed'. . . really? For the record that isn't what I posted.

That's because using the word 'r e t a are d e d' in that way is really something you should stop doing?

Anyway, Disney acquired the rights to all (most?) of Fox's TV/Movie properties a while back, and I think most of the I's are now being dotted, and the T's are being crossed.

Fingers crossed that we FINALLY get a good FF movie too...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Then that's everyone isn't it? Sony still has a piece of Spider Man and can make Venom films but who cares about not having Venom.

Ghost Rider? Are they still missing Ghost Rider?

A well done FF could be a long running franchise especially if they skip the origin and just get going.

And of course with Guardians of the Galaxy and Black Panther Marvel has pretty much proven they can make 2nd, 3rd tier characters sell.

Looking forward to Squirrel Girl Meets Groot.

Wow. Why has that not happened yet?

Ghost Rider is in Agents of Shield so they seemingly have him. Squirrel Girl is slated to lead the New Warriors tv show later this year as well.

Squirrel Girl is a character I am happy to never see, unless Deadpool pulls her tail off in his movie, then kicks her off a bridge.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Anyone else heard the rumor that in Avengers 4 Nebula, the Purple Man and Malekith will try to use the Time Gem to fix things, only to discover it's a 'fixed point' and cannot be altered?

Just me then...

You forgot Hela's bad wolf.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Never mind 2nd and 3rd Tier characters - who'd actually heard of GotG before their film? Seriously? Hands up.

Ooo ooo me! But that's largely the coincidence of getting back into comics just as Annihilation/Sinestro Corps War was making all things cosmic all things awesome and just sort of floundering into the book because that's where the story went.

I do think overall focusing on new characters and letting the greats remain great as background/cameo roles is the way forward. They did a great job of this in Homecoming.

I don't think they've done any work to make a mantle passing make sense. Buckey, Jane, and Rhodney's stories have largely moved them down paths away from the sidekick role and none of them have been put in a place to replace anybody. Really, what's going to matter is where they decide to take things post Thanos. They've shown the ability to organically form "Avengers" teams out of whatever characters are lying around, so its really just a question of what overarching plot they decide to push once the gems have had their films.

Considering Dan Abnett, we're probably in a better place than elsewhere to recognise the Guardians pre films anyway.

 Compel wrote:
Considering Dan Abnett, we're probably in a better place than elsewhere to recognise the Guardians pre films anyway.

Weirdly, I'd not heard of the guy pre-Annihilation, but that's more to do with my interest in table top gaming resurfacing about the same time my interest in comics did.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Anyone else heard the rumor that in Avengers 4 Nebula, the Purple Man and Malekith will try to use the Time Gem to fix things, only to discover it's a 'fixed point' and cannot be altered?

Just me then...

With the rumor of time travel based on set pictures leaked from Avengers 4, I suspect that any attempts to change things won't work out too well. My personal theory here is that as long as Thanos has the time stone (or perhaps even any of the stones), he will be immune to any changes to the timeline. Even if they go back and kill a baby Thanos, for example, Infinity-Gauntlet-Wielding-Thanos will be "buffered" from the new timeline, he'll know that things were changed, and he can just snap his fingers again or use the time stone to undo the changes. That's why I think any time travel shenanigans may involve somehow sabotaging the stones before Thanos gets them, or changing the rules by which the things work so that the "snap" can be undone after it's happened.

 Compel wrote:
Considering Dan Abnett, we're probably in a better place than elsewhere to recognise the Guardians pre films anyway.

He's the reason I had heard of the GotG. That and hanging out on nerdy forums.

I knew of rocket groot and gamora. But not in any way where I knew anything about the character. Just I knew there was a green lady bad ass from space, a talking racoon with large guns and a tree.

Shrugged it all off as "Comics are often dumb' and went about my business.

 Lance845 wrote:
I knew of rocket groot and gamora. But not in any way where I knew anything about the character. Just I knew there was a green lady bad ass from space, a talking racoon with large guns and a tree.

Shrugged it all off as "Comics are often dumb' and went about my business.

...



...yeah, sure, comics are dumb, OK.

What's next after A4?

Apparently...something else?

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/new-marvel-franchise-coming-after-avengers-4-disne/1100-6458845/

In fairness; if your last real interaction with comics was in the 90's its a pretty reasonable position to hold.

Hmmm...fair point!

Even if your interactions are more recent they are dumb.

Aunt May gets shot by a regular gun with a regular bullet. Peter Parker goes to Reed Richards for help and he can't clone her a new liver, or perform a surgery, or do anything to keep her alive. Instead he cuts a deal with Mephisto, the actual devil, to save her life.

Are you kidding me?

Comics are often dumb.


Are you aware of Draxx the destroyers history? He was originally a failed Jazz musician from earth.

Dumb.

Do you know how professor X originally lost the use of his legs? The Devil dropped a boulder on him.

The MCU has done a great job of pulling the really good story out of the core of the comic book stories and refining it into something real great 95% of the time. But if you actually go to the source material it's more often than not either rushed to pack the story into a certain number of issues, or spread across so many different series that the story is near impossible to follow or just includes such dumb characters and plots and it's mostly nonsense.

I love comics. But every time i hear about another "That time the Punisher was black" or "Frankencastle" I am reminded of just what a small % of the comics are actually good.

https://www.cbr.com/remember-to-forget-that-time-the-punisher-became-a-black-guy/

The funny parts are when ideas as bad as Frankencastle actually work (admittedly, Frankencastle did... not)

On that note, is Jubilee still a vampire?

 LunarSol wrote:
The funny parts are when ideas as bad as Frankencastle actually work (admittedly, Frankencastle did... not)

On that note, is Jubilee still a vampire?

Lol... yes. Also dumb.

However, when the x-men were getting ready to defend Utopia against Dracula's army of vampires (that whole sentence is dumb) it WAS really great when Nightcrawler (an ordained priest) blessed Iceman so he was made of holy water to fight them. That bit was amazing and genius.

Really, there are very very few X-Men stories that you can describe to someone without sounding like a complete lunatic. As much as people love the characters and love their theme of being an oppressed minority, their actual adventures and lore are some of the hardest things to take seriously in all of comics.

 LunarSol wrote:
Really, there are very very few X-Men stories that you can describe to someone without sounding like a complete lunatic. As much as people love the characters and love their theme of being an oppressed minority, their actual adventures and lore are some of the hardest things to take seriously in all of comics.

Yeah... I am actually dreading their introduction into the MCU...

The X Men have no small conflicts. It's all time travel, and opening portals into hell in the middle of NYC, and apocalypse and Magneto being global terrorist threats that are stopped by a team of 5 teenagers. A magical giant space firebird coming to earth and causing all kinds of problems. Or the government funding a project to build 4 story tall robots to hunt 15% of the population.

What sense does any of that make in a world where the avengers and/or just Captain America exists and for some reason they are all absent? Bobby Drake and Kitty Pride are 2 of my favorite Marvel characters but hell.... their major and key storylines are so insane...

Also, is anyone else aware that Psylocke is a British teenager and Captain Brittan's little sister who had her mind transferred into the body of an Asian mutant and then they just decided to leave her that way? YUP!

Remember that time they had to go stop alien death star from blowing up the Earth to unblock their view of Venus, but then they found out the whole planet was a starkiller gun that blew itself up to fire a giant illudium pu-36 space modulator bullet that Kitty had to phase through the planet faster than any ship could catch nd spent eternity flying through space until we found out that Magneto spent his days off subtly altering its orbit until it got close enough to Earth to pull her out so she could rescue some monks that he'd locked in the closet to find her?

Yeah, that's easily one of their best stories.

Or that time the first mutant ever came back and raised the dead of every mutant that ever died from the legacy virus (thousands upon thousands of mutants) into a giant army of undead mutants going on a rampage and the rest of the world just didn't notice?

Good times. It was nice seeing pyro again for a moment though.


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Oh yeah, and if you wanted another example of comics being dumb. Black Bolts actual name is Blackagar Boltagon.

Blackagar Boltagon.

I'm just gunna let that one sit there.

 LunarSol wrote:
In fairness; if your last real interaction with comics was in the 90's its a pretty reasonable position to hold.

I've got a limited foil cover with laser-etched hologram that says otherwise.

I do remember when rocket racoon was the B-feature to Transformers and fighting robot clowns and a flesh dissolving red cloud.

 Lance845 wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
The funny parts are when ideas as bad as Frankencastle actually work (admittedly, Frankencastle did... not)

On that note, is Jubilee still a vampire?

Lol... yes. Also dumb.

However, when the x-men were getting ready to defend Utopia against Dracula's army of vampires (that whole sentence is dumb) it WAS really great when Nightcrawler (an ordained priest) blessed Iceman so he was made of holy water to fight them. That bit was amazing and genius.

Was that before or after the revelation that he wasn't actually a priest, that had actually been hypnotic programming by the mutant-hating Church of Humanity who wanted him to become the Pope and then expose his devil-like true form in public so that it would cause massive panic, turn the faithful against mutants, and let the CoH bring about a fake Rapture with exploding communion wafers, so they could take over the world?

(Yes, I know the Rapture isn't part of Catholic dogma. Chuck Austen didn't.)

Er, right then, good thing the MCU - and Infinity War - isn't bogged down by the...stranger parts of the comics then, right?

Right. Which is why i said im kind of dreading disney aquiring the xmen. Im unsure how you stay fairhful to their stories without everything going bananas.

The best thing to ever happen to the mcu was to not have access to the mutants when they got started.

The Fox movies kind of sort of did an OK job in that regard, so I'm sure that the MCU will as well.

In fact, they'll probably do it a bit better!