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That new Mephy looks great center piece for sure.

My wish list would be:
- cheaper encarmine weapons for sanguinary guard.
- doctrines.
- some buff for fragioso and baal preds.
- death company reivers (some rule to let them be in assault doctrine T1 to get -1ap)
(- that reroll a single die on the charge would be cool, wouldn't be OP, because you can do this with a CP a turn.. but getting in the combat easier would be most welcome.) We don't even need any RG level shenanigans, just something.

Take a look at PA2 what we can expect from PA3. Nothing ground breaking that will make BA top tier.

I'm thinking at best were getting our litanies, special issue wargear and primaris mephiston. My hope is for it to be a SM supplement ala BT. In which case we'll get quite a bit. My money is on the former however. Not forgetting that FT will be in the WD as well.

I would love something for the dreadnoughts. But a few warlord traits and a chapter tatic buff eould be cool.

Here is a leak of some datacards.

https://imgur.com/gallery/kH83NSj

Mephiston gets the PRIMARIS keyword. Which is a nerf. He cannot ride with his death company brothers in a rhino or razorback anymore. This means that snipers that dont need LOS can take him out. Or, his death company brothers cannot ride with him in an impulsor, repulsor. Astorath still chants his mass of doom at the start of the movement phase, which means it still cant be done after deepstriking him. At least lemartes and astorath now get access to litanies. But cant use them after deepstriking.

Mephiston has nothing to to with death company. Why would he ride with them in a rhino?

But I absolutely see the dilemma with "at the start of the battle round"
So Astorath and Lemartes got nerfed, because they don't give rerolls the turn they drop. At least Lemartes still works for DC.

rhavien wrote:
Mephiston has nothing to to with death company. Why would he ride with them in a rhino?

To protect him from snipers who dont need LOS ? Furthermore to buff DC with unleash rage ? Or to give them a 5+ inv with shield of sanguinius ?

Both spells don't need LOS and have 12" range. Can't he do that from a magic box/terrain piece out of LOS?

Are we sure no primaris DC will be released?

No real changes. Ww get litianies. And Mephiston gets Primaris.

Guys, upon wings of fire would work for prayers, wouldn't it? Not a cheap way, but at least we are able to pull that off. And for the case that the prayer doesn't go off you could spare your CPs and keep hiding your jump chaplain.

 Emicrania wrote:

Are we sure no primaris DC will be released?

Not for PA3. If they do come, it will not be until the V2.0 BA codex.

Which will be out like in 2 years

In WH Community it is said that PA3 will bring new army wide rules for Blood Angels, so not only Strats, WT and Litanies.

I expect something like doctrines.

Welp, I guess if you're not running named BA characters, its all aboard the Flesh Tearers train.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/25/blood-of-baal-chapter-focus-the-blood-angelsgw-homepage-post-2/

Wasn't PA3 taking place after the main leviathan event?

Because in that case we could see more Flesh Tearers on a single table than the total number of flash tearers actually remaining in the chapter (About a couple of dozen).

So DC are now +3A first round of combat???

+1 attack when charged/ing/HI with melee weapons in the assault doctrine isn't too bad i suppose. Was hoping for something to get us there.

 Emicrania wrote:
So DC are now +3A first round of combat???

While in Assault doctrine, yes.

@Emicrania That's only when the assault doctrine is active in turn 3.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Emicrania wrote:
So DC are now +3A first round of combat???

While in Assault doctrine, yes.

DC are us 3 attacks on a charge. And intercessor death company will be able to take thunder hammers. They probably won't be able to take jump packs though.

Wow, so far i am not impressed. We get DC primaris intercessors (without JP, i guess), and during the assault doctrine +1A, which is in T3. So, footslogging them up the board Or put them in an impulsor, and wait one turn, because you cant charge after the transport has moved. Why is it even called assault vehicle, when you can assault out of it ??

If they don't cost a CP to make them DC then I'll be quite happy along with the rest so far.

I'm so hoping they're a troop and we can get 5-15. If that is the case I'll be getting my black back out lol.

 p5freak wrote:
Wow, so far i am not impressed. We get DC primaris intercessors (without JP, i guess), and during the assault doctrine +1A, which is in T3. So, footslogging them up the board Or put them in an impulsor, and wait one turn, because you cant charge after the transport has moved. Why is it even called assault vehicle, when you can assault out of it ??

Because you can disembark after it moves I guess.

 p5freak wrote:
Wow, so far i am not impressed. We get DC primaris intercessors (without JP, i guess), and during the assault doctrine +1A, which is in T3. So, footslogging them up the board Or put them in an impulsor, and wait one turn, because you cant charge after the transport has moved. Why is it even called assault vehicle, when you can assault out of it ??

I got to say, I followed this thread that you started, I don't see you very optimistic even in the face of a boost. What would it takes to make you a tad happier?

I've heard a few similar groans myself.

I think a lot of people were looking for an actual unit of primaris DC with their own whistles and bells in a similar vein to our current DC and that's fair enough. What we got in the death company primaris intercessors (DCPI?) Is maybe a little too basic for some of us. I'm quite glad they didnt give us a direct replacement that some of us keep requesting ala sisters and banshees etc. I'm going to focus on the primaris getting DC and not so much for the missing JP and TH/BG everywhere as that's what the current DC are for.

Me personally I'm chuffed to bits with what I've seen so far. If the DCPI are troops I'll be pretty much over the moon.

kryczek wrote:
If they don't cost a CP to make them DC then I'll be quite happy along with the rest so far.

I'm so hoping they're a troop and we can get 5-15. If that is the case I'll be getting my black back out lol.

Dont get your hopes up. I suspect its going to be the BA equivalent of the codex Veteran Intercessor stratagem.

So far I'm pretty happy with what Blood Angels have got.

Having access to the intersessor Strats is nice. We still don't know all the Strats we get. I'm hoping for something to get us to assault Doctrines turn 2.

I find it hilarious that our 5 man scout squads will be getting 21 attacks, +1 to wound and -1 ap during the assault doctrines.

I don't need BA to be the best of the best . It does look like we are headed for the good bracket. (Which usually saves you from nerfs in 6-12 months)

 Emicrania wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Wow, so far i am not impressed. We get DC primaris intercessors (without JP, i guess), and during the assault doctrine +1A, which is in T3. So, footslogging them up the board Or put them in an impulsor, and wait one turn, because you cant charge after the transport has moved. Why is it even called assault vehicle, when you can assault out of it ??

I got to say, I followed this thread that you started, I don't see you very optimistic even in the face of a boost. What would it takes to make you a tad happier?

What boost ? We get +1A in T3, wow. Some games are already over by T3. A litany that does AP-4 on an unmodified roll of 6s, woooow. Litanies are pretty much useless, because the priest has to be on the battlefield before the turn starts. You deepstrike, no litanies. You disembark, no litanies. DC primaris are a nerf. No JP, no deepstrike, no descent of angels. No relocation possible with upon wings of fire. But maybe there will be a stratagem to enable them to charge after disembarking from an impulsor. What about support characters like astorath, lemartes ? Are they primaris ? No, they arent. They have to take JPs and deepstrike along their DC primaris intercessors, when they disembark, because they cannot embark on a primaris only transport.

I hope they drop the points on the old DC JP marines to 15 pts. That would be a boost.

Ok, you lost me there.

How can DC primaris be a nerf? It's a new unit...

How can DC primaris be a nerf? It's a new unit...

He's talking about in compared to the old DC which you can still take.

Also not sure how getting access to the stratagems that make Intercessors good is not cause for celebration.

And we are in such early days. Heck there could be a strat that lets you get to the assault doctrine turn 2. So we'll be playing for that turn 2 strike after we've cleared the chaff.

Even playing for turn 3 isn't impossible.

One day i'll do 40 shots then 142 attacks with my death company intercessors and my life will be complete.