Codex Deamons on the way! (Full leaks in OP)

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**Latro_**

doh... of course.

hmm only use then seems on a BT and its in direct competition with the great axe anyway...

armour it is.

**DarkBlack**

Lew1001 wrote:In my mind I only used Tzeentch daemons up to now for the Brims 4++ and -1 from Changling. Maybe nerfed into the ground is wrong but without those cheap 4++ saves and changling all my old uses for tzeentch have gone.

The index has been out for 6 months, it's not like you've been collecting brimstones for years to abuse some rules. Even if you had though: what did you think was going to happen? Did you really expect GW to leave the unit broken?! Serves you right for chasing broken units.

BoomWolf wrote:You'll need to invest 3 times as many points, and models, in order to reach the sane effect.

That effect is broken bull gak and the game is better off without it.

**anticitizen013**

Lew1001 wrote:
The more I think about it, I can't see them letting us use those strats on daemons not from the codex. Maybe they will work but can you imagine keeping Morty in reserve, then T1 deep strike, use invun strat on him and try to cast Miasma. That's an 18 wound model with a 3++/5+++ and maybe -1 to hit and heres the kicker its immune to alpha strike, even reserving magnus to make sure you get weavers before being shot wound massively boost him. I'd love there to be synergy but a mans gotta feel dirty about pulling these shenanigans.

It's true, it might not even work. Which again, would suck the big one, but we'd just have to deal with it. To be honest though, I think 40 Genestealers getting a T1 charge might be better than a measly Daemon Primarch doing the same

Honestly we'll just have to wait and see. I'm really excited about the changes and what will be wrought from them. I just hope it's good

**Latro_**

To be honest folks are now gonna spam small units of brims to create batallions soley to mine CPs for deep strike

Be very interested to see the wording of that strat because currently each unit has its own version of a reserve rule. What with the only half your units can deploy this way, if you can passivly use a CP to deep strike stuff down i guess units that have access to it are gonna need to have some kinda keyword to allow you to keep them back.

be quite funny deep striking in 30 brimstone horrors (or 30 anything) in a conga line... all kinds of tactics open up

**Cephalobeard**

Latro_ wrote:
To be honest folks are now gonna spam small units of brims to create batallions soley to mine CPs for deep strike

That'll definitely be an option.

All the better to deep strike flamers with. Lol

**dan2026**

FudgeDumper wrote:
dan2026 wrote:
FudgeDumper wrote:
The new beast of Nurgle actually have a lot in common with the last generations beast of Nurgle. It astounds me that so many seem to hate the old beast of Nurgle but praise the new, they both have the same type of body and exactly the same arm pose just reversed. I guess what people didn't like about the old beast was that it only had one pose... Oh guess what, the new one also only has one pose! I guess that's what 40 years of expertise gets you.

Because the new one looks like a fun characterful model and the old one looks like a bland, boring, mess.
The new one also has different heads, bellys, tentacles and arms. Allowing some customisation.
Also being plastic, it would be very easy to alter further if you desire.

But essentially for me the new model is a good representation of the fluff. Where as the old one is not.

All your points are complete blasphemy.

Point 1: Son, this is not Pokemon. I'm not trying to argue that the new model is bad, I'm saying its a very expensive single pose model which you will need multiples of. And last generations beast also had a lot of character, its only flaw being a single pose, just like the new one.

Point 2: Oh please, didn't you see the reveal videos? The different face/stomach options is a band aid and it is so obvious its sad.

Point 3: A non argument. If GW had made the new beast of Nurgle out of dog poop it would have been even easier to convert. The new model's body is also a single segment so good luck with any conversions.

Point 4: Totally invalid seeing as both models are basically just fat snails with 2 appendages and a bunch of tentacles on the head. This is proof of your biased stance.

Stop trying to defend a point just for the sake of defending. GW messed up, period.

Christ you couldn't sound more condescending if you tried could you?

**Latro_**

first thought:

deep strike 30 plague bearers in an arch conga infront of your opponent 9" away charge one unit and hope for the charge... move the rest of the chargers towards other units along the conga then engage them during pile in... can't attack em but for 210 pts ye potentially stopping many units shooting

**nagash42**

I an see a rule not letting you take brimstones on their own as they are supposed to be made from dead blues which in turn come from dead pinks.

**EnTyme**

Glad to see FudgeDumper found the new thread after he ended up getting the Death Guard thread locked.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

dan2026 wrote:
FudgeDumper wrote:
dan2026 wrote:
FudgeDumper wrote:
The new beast of Nurgle actually have a lot in common with the last generations beast of Nurgle. It astounds me that so many seem to hate the old beast of Nurgle but praise the new, they both have the same type of body and exactly the same arm pose just reversed. I guess what people didn't like about the old beast was that it only had one pose... Oh guess what, the new one also only has one pose! I guess that's what 40 years of expertise gets you.

Because the new one looks like a fun characterful model and the old one looks like a bland, boring, mess.
The new one also has different heads, bellys, tentacles and arms. Allowing some customisation.
Also being plastic, it would be very easy to alter further if you desire.

But essentially for me the new model is a good representation of the fluff. Where as the old one is not.

All your points are complete blasphemy.

Point 1: Son, this is not Pokemon. I'm not trying to argue that the new model is bad, I'm saying its a very expensive single pose model which you will need multiples of. And last generations beast also had a lot of character, its only flaw being a single pose, just like the new one.

Point 2: Oh please, didn't you see the reveal videos? The different face/stomach options is a band aid and it is so obvious its sad.

Point 3: A non argument. If GW had made the new beast of Nurgle out of dog poop it would have been even easier to convert. The new model's body is also a single segment so good luck with any conversions.

Point 4: Totally invalid seeing as both models are basically just fat snails with 2 appendages and a bunch of tentacles on the head. This is proof of your biased stance.

Stop trying to defend a point just for the sake of defending. GW messed up, period.

Christ you couldn't sound more condescending if you tried could you?

EnTyme wrote:Glad to see FudgeDumper found the new thread after he ended up getting the Death Guard thread locked.

Just stop engaging with or even mentioning him and you can prevent threads from being locked.

**rvd1ofakind**

Hey mister mod, can this guy leak us more specific information here? I found literal scans of the entire book in the 8th edition thread and that wasn't banned... right?

**XT-1984**

So if you have a Chaos Daemons detachment you could 'deepstrike' Magnus and/or Mortarion. Hope this is true.

EDIT: Mortarion could cast -1 to Hit and then use the +1 invun save stratagem before he gets nuked .

**MrVulcanator**

GUO is $140 USD.

**Klor**

Cephalobeard wrote:
Latro_ wrote:
To be honest folks are now gonna spam small units of brims to create batallions soley to mine CPs for deep strike

That'll definitely be an option.

All the better to deep strike flamers with. Lol

Maybe I am wrong, but will we even be allowed to use the deepstrike stratagem more than once or to better explain it, for something more than one unit? Are those stratagems exempt from the once per phase, ala, only usable once at the beginning of the game?

**Manfred von Drakken**

Or, you know, click the 'Mod' button and get HIM locked, rather than the thread. Or click the 'Ignore' button and let him suffer in silence.

Just don't take the bait, people.

ON TOPIC:

nagash42 wrote:I an see a rule not letting you take brimstones on their own as they are supposed to be made from dead blues which in turn come from dead pinks.

Yeah, I don't see this happening. There's been too much of it so far to deny taking units of just Brimstones. Besides, there are already rules to encourage taking Pinks; this will just further that thought process.

**lindsay40k**

Klor wrote:
Cephalobeard wrote:
Latro_ wrote:
To be honest folks are now gonna spam small units of brims to create batallions soley to mine CPs for deep strike

That'll definitely be an option.

All the better to deep strike flamers with. Lol

Maybe I am wrong, but will we even be allowed to use the deepstrike stratagem more than once or to better explain it, for something more than one unit? Are those stratagems exempt from the once per phase, ala, only usable once at the beginning of the game?

It looks to me like the stratagem is used during deployment, which per Alpha Legion precedent means open season

**Lew1001**

Klor wrote:
Cephalobeard wrote:
Latro_ wrote:
To be honest folks are now gonna spam small units of brims to create batallions soley to mine CPs for deep strike

That'll definitely be an option.

All the better to deep strike flamers with. Lol

Maybe I am wrong, but will we even be allowed to use the deepstrike stratagem more than once or to better explain it, for something more than one unit? Are those stratagems exempt from the once per phase, ala, only usable once at the beginning of the game?

Its hasn't been clarified by the leaker, it could act like the Eldar Webway stratagem (limited use) or something like Alpha Legions Forward Operative that can be used more than once. Its only 1 use if stated in the strat - which we don't know yet. And yes strats used before the game are not limited to the 1 per phase rule.

**rvd1ofakind**

herp derp I missed a thing

Anyway, hope our dude comes back as the official release about the artifact confirms that the leak was real

**buddha**

rvd1ofakind wrote:
+1 shot for 20+ pinks is a new rumor on facebook

Link?

**rvd1ofakind**

It was in this topic previously xD

**Klor**

Lew1001 wrote:
Klor wrote:
Cephalobeard wrote:
Latro_ wrote:
To be honest folks are now gonna spam small units of brims to create batallions soley to mine CPs for deep strike

That'll definitely be an option.

All the better to deep strike flamers with. Lol

Maybe I am wrong, but will we even be allowed to use the deepstrike stratagem more than once or to better explain it, for something more than one unit? Are those stratagems exempt from the once per phase, ala, only usable once at the beginning of the game?

Its hasn't been clarified by the leaker, it could act like the Eldar Webway stratagem (limited use) or something like Alpha Legions Forward Operative that can be used more than once. Its only 1 use if stated in the strat - which we don't know yet. And yes strats used before the game are not limited to the 1 per phase rule.

Good to know. Thanks

I wasn't aware that you could use the Alpha Legion stratagem more than once....

**hippyjr**

XT-1984 wrote:
So if you have a Chaos Daemons detachment you could 'deepstrike' Magnus and/or Mortarion. Hope this is true.

EDIT: Mortarion could cast -1 to Hit and then use the +1 invun save stratagem before he gets nuked .

I hope it isn't. Sounds a bit broken tbh.

**mrhappyface**

rvd1ofakind wrote:
Hey mister mod, can this guy leak us more specific information here? I found literal scans of the entire book in the 8th edition thread and that wasn't banned... right?

On which thread?

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

I think rvd means when 8th edition was released, essentially every index was leaked with full-page scans and there was seemingly no issue. Saved me lots of money.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

GW themselves showed a bunch of full pages which could then be shared freely,

I don't think Yakface/Dakkadakka would approve of anybody scanning/photographing the thing themselves wholesale and sticking it up on here as it could mean legal hassle

**Cephalobeard**

GW gave a lot of leeway when 8th dropped, probably as a hype builder. You won't find that now.

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

It's only a matter of time before the rest is leaked, anyhow. Someone else is bound to have it right now.

**the_scotsman**

It's only been a couple hours since our first leaker disappeared into the Thames with two thin coats of duct tape over his mouth and a pair of old chaos dreadnoughts tied to his shoes, are we really willing to risk another fellow dakka-ite to the same fate for another couple of leaks?

....what am I kidding, of course we are.

**rvd1ofakind**

Well last time he first appeared was 6 hours from now. Maybe he'll come back then?

**mrhappyface**

the_scotsman wrote:
It's only been a couple hours since our first leaker disappeared into the Thames with two thin coats of duct tape over his mouth and a pair of old chaos dreadnoughts tied to his shoes, are we really willing to risk another fellow dakka-ite to the same fate for another couple of leaks?

....what am I kidding, of course we are.

For the greater good!