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the_scotsman wrote:
It's only been a couple hours since our first leaker disappeared into the Thames with two thin coats of duct tape over his mouth and a pair of old chaos dreadnoughts tied to his shoes, are we really willing to risk another fellow dakka-ite to the same fate for another couple of leaks?

....what am I kidding, of course we are.

I definitely had a lol at this

Natfka reports £32.50 for slimux, seems steep!

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Well last time he first appeared was 6 hours from now. Maybe he'll come back then?

Well apparently he's from Singapore, so he's most likely asleap right now.

New info:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/02/faction-focus-daemons-of-khornegw-homepage-post-4/

 Irbis wrote:
New info:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/02/faction-focus-daemons-of-khornegw-homepage-post-4/

Your a bit late to the party.

I really hope they reduce the points on Bloodcrushers and skull cannons. Bloodcrushers need to be dropped from 47 each to 30 tops.

Or make them better to be worth those 47 points. A bloodcrusher is a daemon in a daemonic steel rino. It shouldn't cost less than a Terminator.

To make them worth 47, they would need to be like 5 W/5A each. The fact that bloodletters are 7 a piece makes them very inefficient.

Excitement enhancing.

Fiends of Slaanesh are 46pts for T4 W3. Without advance and charge, they won't go in with Seekers of Slaanesh.

In general most Daemons are too expensive. I'm hoping for a proper tuning to horrors, and decent reductions for most everything else.

So any word of chaos demons as a whole gets a CT equivalent? Or is just the (I assume) single loci for individual demonic factions and obj sec for combined?

SilverAlien wrote:
So any word of chaos demons as a whole gets a CT equivalent? Or is just the (I assume) single loci for individual demonic factions and obj sec for combined?

Do you know any Daemon Chapters or Legions?

 Cephalobeard wrote:
In general most Daemons are too expensive. I'm hoping for a proper tuning to horrors, and decent reductions for most everything else.

This depends on the daemons. Plague bearers as a sturdy unit are pretty decently costed, and are up thier with brims for durability. While blood letters kind of give genestealers a run for thier money when it comes to damage output. Plus i think the daemons get tough when you look at how thier buffs and auras and multiply the various aspects of units.

I'd really like them to make the greater daemons playable i'm very interested in playing them. Kind of want to do an earth/wind/fire style army with Nurgle/Tzneetch/Khorne.

I wouldn't put too much stock in daemons getting any major points reductions or turbo special rules.

Due to the Legacy of the Daemons codex from years past (Screamerstar, summoning etc), GW is EXTREMELY conservative in regards to writing rules for them. Eldar got a similar treatment and Tau likely will to.

For Daemons I expect a very, very light power increase. If they're slightly below average now expect them to be mostly average after. Expect most of the bad units to remain bad and the average ones to dip or increase a little on effectiveness. Our psychic powers will always be situational and toned down on order to avoid another Tzeentch debacle. Etc

 mrhappyface wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:
So any word of chaos demons as a whole gets a CT equivalent? Or is just the (I assume) single loci for individual demonic factions and obj sec for combined?

Do you know any Daemon Chapters or Legions?

Let me rephrase, for the pedants: have we confirmed if demons have more flexibility to ally due to the lack of a major bonus across their units for staying as a single faction.

Not that their aren't plenty of ways they could could add an equivalent in that way if they wanted. They could have aspects focusing on a single portion of their patron god's portfolio for one, and a bonus for chaos undivided. Or have a generic then traits for different style warbands or hosts. Or base it off worlds in the eye of terror plus a generic. Plenty of ways they could. It won't happen as they lack a <faction> tag, but it doesn't make your response any less inane and deliberately obtuse.

SilverAlien wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:
So any word of chaos demons as a whole gets a CT equivalent? Or is just the (I assume) single loci for individual demonic factions and obj sec for combined?

Do you know any Daemon Chapters or Legions?

Let me rephrase, for the pedants: have we confirmed if demons have more flexibility to ally due to the lack of a major bonus across their units for staying as a single faction.

Not that their aren't plenty of ways they could could add an equivalent in that way if they wanted. They could have aspects focusing on a single portion of their patron god's portfolio for one, and a bonus for chaos undivided. Or have a generic then traits for different style warbands or hosts. Or base it off worlds in the eye of terror plus a generic. Plenty of ways they could. It won't happen as they lack a <faction> tag, but it doesn't make your response any less inane and deliberately obtuse.

That seems like a mild over reaction, considering this is Dakka and it is completely reasonable to assume that someone on here believes the Daemons have their own chapters.

As to your question now that you've kindly rephrased it, I doubt GW would give us any more than this: they probably see this as the Daemons CT equivilent and think that anything more would make Daemons unbalanced. I doubt we're going to see any rewards for variety in Daemon lists, sadly.

Horrors cost the same. Same goes for flamers and screamers. Exalted flamers went up 20 (worth permanent 3 shots and 12" pistol flamers.
Plague drones drop 10 each.

Thanks xxhikaru123, can you say if Epidemius is in the new codex and has he changed?

xxhikaru123 wrote:
Horrors cost the same. Same goes for flamers and screamers. Exalted flamers went up 20 (worth permanent 3 shots and 12" pistol flamers.
Plague drones drop 10 each.

Hikaru! you're back! Can you confirm the wording of the deep strike strategem? This could be the difference between Codex: Daemons being OK and Codex: Daemons being a saw of all mighty cheese!

Hey xxhikaru123, any point changes whatsoever for Khorne Deamons? Flesh Hounds, Bloodletters, Bloodcrushers, Skulltaker, Skullcannon?

How does horror splits work now?

Also, EFlamer point increase isn't too bad, still effective!

What about Burning Chariots?

 andysonic1 wrote:
Hey xxhikaru123, any point changes whatsoever for Khorne Deamons? Flesh Hounds, Bloodletters, Bloodcrushers, Skulltaker, Skullcannon?

I would also like to second this, along with any changes to Skarbrand please and thank you!

 mrhappyface wrote:

xxhikaru123 wrote:
Horrors cost the same. Same goes for flamers and screamers. Exalted flamers went up 20 (worth permanent 3 shots and 12" pistol flamers.
Plague drones drop 10 each.

Hikaru! you're back! Can you confirm the wording of the deep strike strategem? This could be the difference between Codex: Daemons being OK and Codex: Daemons being a saw of all mighty cheese!

It is that good. Lol during deployment.

Did soul grinders drop in points at least to the defilers level? Hopefully they are useful again

What is the Seeker of Slaanesh change the GW preview mentioned? Did daemonettes change or get a point drop? Interested in Slaanesh changes.

hold off bombarding him guys!

+1 any info on the deep strike strat XD? does seem to be the one the board is interested in most of all

Can any chaos daemon unit use the strats or only those from the codex (ie faction chaos daemons?)

xxhikaru123 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

xxhikaru123 wrote:
Horrors cost the same. Same goes for flamers and screamers. Exalted flamers went up 20 (worth permanent 3 shots and 12" pistol flamers.
Plague drones drop 10 each.

Hikaru! you're back! Can you confirm the wording of the deep strike strategem? This could be the difference between Codex: Daemons being OK and Codex: Daemons being a saw of all mighty cheese!

It is that good. Lol during deployment.

Jesus Christ. I might just print off this post and put it up on my wall, Mortagnus lists just got a whole lot more scary.

New nurgle units please Hiraku our demonic savior!