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2019/12/01 03:23:03
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
Azreal13 wrote: That's the point, they almost certainly don't, otherwise they'd be all over it. It's just a bunch of squeaky wheels complaining that they can't have the thing they'd have never bought anyway.
Speaking of wheels, I'm a bit annoyed when I have to clean the tracks on those Sicarans. Imagine having to do 3 of them for a Deathwatch army. Granted, I should have at least tried to repurpose the Alpha Legion ones I had, but they were already painted and had Iconography on them- so I had to buy new ones.
Squeak Squeak Squeak.
Oh, and before you say "Recaster!", I'll remind you that damned near everyone I've met that played 30k scoffed at me for NOT using recast.
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2019/12/01 03:30:29
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
Preaching to the choir, but I don't recall anything squeaking on my Sicaran.
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Azreal13 wrote: That's the point, they almost certainly don't, otherwise they'd be all over it. It's just a bunch of squeaky wheels complaining that they can't have the thing they'd have never bought anyway.
Exactly, i bought a Fire rapter cause i wanted it for my White Scars and have a reasonable way to play it in 8th
I cant say the same for HH where the community is like 3 people here and they are, well, THAT GUY
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2019/12/01 08:37:26
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
Azreal13 wrote: I don't get why that a model for what is now fundamentally a different game that uses a different ruleset should be expected to have rules by 40K players?
So they can sell more than 20 of them.
That's the point, they almost certainly don't, otherwise they'd be all over it. It's just a bunch of squeaky wheels complaining that they can't have the thing they'd have never bought anyway.
Looks at my "30k" only Ad Mech army and shrugs knowing he is wrong.
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Azreal13 wrote: That's the point, they almost certainly don't, otherwise they'd be all over it. It's just a bunch of squeaky wheels complaining that they can't have the thing they'd have never bought anyway.
Exactly, i bought a Fire rapter cause i wanted it for my White Scars and have a reasonable way to play it in 8th
I cant say the same for HH where the community is like 3 people here and they are, well, THAT GUY
As a primarily 30k player, I really don’t mind what anyone uses.
Usually I expect to see multi system rules for most things though as it boosts sales dramatically.
If something sells well, they will churn out more for it.
I honestly think that without cross game use, HH would be severely limited due to much lower sales.
Also, did you enjoy assembling the raptor or did you get one that wasn’t warped more than the 40k universe it’s self? Lol.
Both of mine were a nightmare to assemble and I stupidly built one for a friend too.
Hands down the most irritating model to assemble (looks amazing when done though)
Also, in regards to those saying HH units should all move over to 40k, GW still seems to hold some fluff in regard here.
Not all units in 30k are still used and many were disbanded and no longer used even.
Some are still around but are never used in battle as they are simply guardians now.
I understand people also don’t want the 2 games to become one as it kind of makes it obsolete, but I really do think that will never happen.
2019/12/01 10:32:20
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2019/12/01 16:07:34
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2019/12/01 17:46:17
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
CragHack wrote: IIRC, FW are no longer responsible for 40k rule adaptations and all is up to main GW studio? No?
That's what's been said repeatedly, yes.
Yet FW still apparently get the blame for this sort of thing...
Something something email their rules team something something even though they probably won't respond
Sounds like a plan - if you could throw in a question about the monopose Canoness' gear at the same time, I'd appreciate it
You know how many emails I've sent them? I'm done with them not listening, simply because I'm just one person. Y'all need to realize it's a group effort.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/12/01 19:28:21
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
CragHack wrote: IIRC, FW are no longer responsible for 40k rule adaptations and all is up to main GW studio? No?
That's what's been said repeatedly, yes.
Yet FW still apparently get the blame for this sort of thing...
Something something email their rules team something something even though they probably won't respond
Sounds like a plan - if you could throw in a question about the monopose Canoness' gear at the same time, I'd appreciate it
You know how many emails I've sent them? I'm done with them not listening, simply because I'm just one person. Y'all need to realize it's a group effort.
I have every intention of emailing them about the Canoness.
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2019/12/01 21:20:36
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
Also, did you enjoy assembling the raptor or did you get one that wasn’t warped more than the 40k universe it’s self? Lol.
Both of mine were a nightmare to assemble and I stupidly built one for a friend too.
Hands down the most irritating model to assemble (looks amazing when done though)
I have only cleaned mine at this point, im waiting to finish my buddies tigershark(OOP one too i lost the piece to an im recasting it) so i have place to put it.
I do hear they are a "Blast" to hear
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2019/12/02 00:57:01
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
hotsauceman1 wrote: Yeah there is literally no reason to do this other than pettiness.
Or, you know, to differentiate the two settings. Which are different.
30K is more than just a source of stuff for you to use in 40K. 40K gets its own factions and models. AoS gets its own factions and models. Nobody bats an eye, but as soon as the 40K players can't have everything, ever, at all times and in all ways, the toys go out the pram.
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2019/12/02 05:42:03
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
hotsauceman1 wrote: Yeah there is literally no reason to do this other than pettiness.
Or, you know, to differentiate the two settings. Which are different.
30K is more than just a source of stuff for you to use in 40K. 40K gets its own factions and models. AoS gets its own factions and models. Nobody bats an eye, but as soon as the 40K players can't have everything, ever, at all times and in all ways, the toys go out the pram.
Maybe because we wanna play with these cool models in a game that is actually played.
5000pts 6000pts 3000pts
2019/12/02 07:44:19
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2019/12/02 07:56:40
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
Originally posted by Penddraig, then forwarded first by the Age of Darkness Podcast on their Facebook page and then by Berne here on B&C.
Penddraig:
“I won’t list everything as Warhammer Community have a great write- up about the 40k releases and upcoming products. However, I did have a great chat with the Forge World team about future plans and current developments for Age of Darkness.
As usual I’ll break these down into smaller sections.”
Book 9
This is based around the Thramas Crusade - nothing new there.
Up-to-date news: Book 9 is going to the reprographics department this week and then onto the printers. This means a release is most likely in the second or third quarter after printing, shipping and world wide distribution.
The Sabre kit
This was designed by the same guy that designed the plastic titans. It is his first resin kit and was created during his lunchtimes as practice on how to sculpt resin. The FW team have been really pleased to see the community response to the unexpected release of the kit and it’s rules.
Book 10
Book 10 is currently deep into production. Due to size restraints, the Dark Mechanicum army list that was originally planned for Book 9 is now going to be in Book 10. Alongside this will be rules for additional allies for both the loyalists and traitors - this will be along the lines of the Agents of the Emperor / Warmaster concepts from a few years ago. No further details as yet.
Current developments
The GW offices at Warhammer World are currently having a massive extension added. As well as new production facilities and warehouse space there is also more room for the various design studios. The plan is once this is constructed, each of the design studios (main GW, Specialist Games, Age of Darkness and Old World) will have more space for the various teams.
This also means that each team will be expanding considerably over the next two years. This will include new rules writers (2 more for Age of Darkness for example) and miniature designers. As part of the re-structuring, Andy Hoare (ex-Heresy rules writer and head of Specialist Games) is now manager of the Specialist Games Studio and the Age of Darkness studio. This role is extremely new so Andy has lots of ideas but nothing has been put into action yet. From personal experience, Andy is a great bloke who has a lot of experience within the hobby; a clear vision of where the company and the game systems can go and also communicates clearly about what is happening (within the usual limits of GW policy).
Future hopes and plans
After a long chat with the Forge World team it’s clear that the new re-structuring is still in early days and we aren’t likely to see much change as customers for the foreseeable future.
However, the team is aware of the main community concerns and hopes. The two key ones they mentioned are:
* A cheap introduction for new players into the 30k games set
* More plastic kits
Neither of these are confirmed as in production or development but the fact that the team are having conversations about these is positive. The team also discussed that by expanding the number of writers, it would be hoped that they could release more than one Heresy-related book a year. Once again, this is future developments so only Book 10 is in current development due to the current size of the team.
One final point that we discussed in a jokey manner was the ‘Heresy is dead’ mindset. It was mentioned that currently Heresy is still producing very healthy sales figures alongside other Specialist Games and the successes of all the games is allowing the company to invest heavily into new facilities and staff. One member of the team stated that there are so many long-plans for the Heresy that they expect that within two years, “everyone will be playing Heresy”.
2019/12/02 08:30:56
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
Also, did you enjoy assembling the raptor or did you get one that wasn’t warped more than the 40k universe it’s self? Lol.
Both of mine were a nightmare to assemble and I stupidly built one for a friend too.
Hands down the most irritating model to assemble (looks amazing when done though)
I have only cleaned mine at this point, im waiting to finish my buddies tigershark(OOP one too i lost the piece to an im recasting it) so i have place to put it.
I do hear they are a "Blast" to hear
Oh they are great fun lol.
I’d rather try and assemble an old metal thunder hawk without pins.
I’m 3/3 so far with them being massively warped.
The best advice I can give is to dry fit the hull together.
I ended up using bands to hold the main body together then submerged it in hot water to pull it into shape.
It’s an amazing looking kit but really is a nightmare to build.
2019/12/02 08:34:37
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
Originally posted by Penddraig, then forwarded first by the Age of Darkness Podcast on their Facebook page and then by Berne here on B&C.
Penddraig:
“I won’t list everything as Warhammer Community have a great write- up about the 40k releases and upcoming products. However, I did have a great chat with the Forge World team about future plans and current developments for Age of Darkness.
As usual I’ll break these down into smaller sections.”
Book 9
This is based around the Thramas Crusade - nothing new there.
Up-to-date news: Book 9 is going to the reprographics department this week and then onto the printers. This means a release is most likely in the second or third quarter after printing, shipping and world wide distribution.
The Sabre kit
This was designed by the same guy that designed the plastic titans. It is his first resin kit and was created during his lunchtimes as practice on how to sculpt resin. The FW team have been really pleased to see the community response to the unexpected release of the kit and it’s rules.
Book 10
Book 10 is currently deep into production. Due to size restraints, the Dark Mechanicum army list that was originally planned for Book 9 is now going to be in Book 10. Alongside this will be rules for additional allies for both the loyalists and traitors - this will be along the lines of the Agents of the Emperor / Warmaster concepts from a few years ago. No further details as yet.
Current developments
The GW offices at Warhammer World are currently having a massive extension added. As well as new production facilities and warehouse space there is also more room for the various design studios. The plan is once this is constructed, each of the design studios (main GW, Specialist Games, Age of Darkness and Old World) will have more space for the various teams.
This also means that each team will be expanding considerably over the next two years. This will include new rules writers (2 more for Age of Darkness for example) and miniature designers. As part of the re-structuring, Andy Hoare (ex-Heresy rules writer and head of Specialist Games) is now manager of the Specialist Games Studio and the Age of Darkness studio. This role is extremely new so Andy has lots of ideas but nothing has been put into action yet. From personal experience, Andy is a great bloke who has a lot of experience within the hobby; a clear vision of where the company and the game systems can go and also communicates clearly about what is happening (within the usual limits of GW policy).
Future hopes and plans
After a long chat with the Forge World team it’s clear that the new re-structuring is still in early days and we aren’t likely to see much change as customers for the foreseeable future.
However, the team is aware of the main community concerns and hopes. The two key ones they mentioned are:
* A cheap introduction for new players into the 30k games set
* More plastic kits
Neither of these are confirmed as in production or development but the fact that the team are having conversations about these is positive. The team also discussed that by expanding the number of writers, it would be hoped that they could release more than one Heresy-related book a year. Once again, this is future developments so only Book 10 is in current development due to the current size of the team.
One final point that we discussed in a jokey manner was the ‘Heresy is dead’ mindset. It was mentioned that currently Heresy is still producing very healthy sales figures alongside other Specialist Games and the successes of all the games is allowing the company to invest heavily into new facilities and staff. One member of the team stated that there are so many long-plans for the Heresy that they expect that within two years, “everyone will be playing Heresy”.
Sounds like good news overall. Hopefully the HH is getting back on track after the last few years of tragedy and disruption. If the game gets even half the support of stuff like Necromunda, Kill Team and Warcry I would be very happy.
2019/12/02 08:36:20
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
hotsauceman1 wrote: Yeah there is literally no reason to do this other than pettiness.
Or, you know, to differentiate the two settings. Which are different.
30K is more than just a source of stuff for you to use in 40K. 40K gets its own factions and models. AoS gets its own factions and models. Nobody bats an eye, but as soon as the 40K players can't have everything, ever, at all times and in all ways, the toys go out the pram.
Maybe because we wanna play with these cool models in a game that is actually played.
Good. So you can play them in 30k It's played and it's superior rule set. Win-win!
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2019/12/02 10:02:53
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
hotsauceman1 wrote: Yeah there is literally no reason to do this other than pettiness.
Or, you know, to differentiate the two settings. Which are different.
30K is more than just a source of stuff for you to use in 40K. 40K gets its own factions and models. AoS gets its own factions and models. Nobody bats an eye, but as soon as the 40K players can't have everything, ever, at all times and in all ways, the toys go out the pram.
Maybe because we wanna play with these cool models in a game that is actually played.
Good. So you can play them in 30k It's played and it's superior rule set. Win-win!
Also, considering the fact that all the weapons are currently out of stock on UK Forgeworld along with comments above on heresy having healthy sales figures, I'd say he's missing out on a popular system
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2019/12/02 10:05:20
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/12/02 10:53:18
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
hotsauceman1 wrote: Yeah there is literally no reason to do this other than pettiness.
Or, you know, to differentiate the two settings. Which are different.
30K is more than just a source of stuff for you to use in 40K. 40K gets its own factions and models. AoS gets its own factions and models. Nobody bats an eye, but as soon as the 40K players can't have everything, ever, at all times and in all ways, the toys go out the pram.
Maybe because we wanna play with these cool models in a game that is actually played.
Good. So you can play them in 30k It's played and it's superior rule set. Win-win!
Nothing against HH having their own stuff, but it is very obvious that make rules sets for 2 system you massively open your customer base. I don't have any interest in 30k but the new daemon fellas would be awesome for me in 40k, but at that price point they're not worth it as proxies for something without their own unique profiles.
You only have to look at the number of debates sparked by Leviathan Dreads in 40k to realise if a 30k unit is competitive in 40k they'll sell lots.
2019/12/02 11:52:20
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
It’s less damaging now quad mortar phosphex isn’t lower AP any more lol.
Tired of running into triple quad mortar batteries at tournaments lol.
It’s was basically a game of select a unit for each mortar unit and remove it from the board instantly.
2019/12/02 18:40:54
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
hotsauceman1 wrote: Yeah there is literally no reason to do this other than pettiness.
Or, you know, to differentiate the two settings. Which are different.
30K is more than just a source of stuff for you to use in 40K. 40K gets its own factions and models. AoS gets its own factions and models. Nobody bats an eye, but as soon as the 40K players can't have everything, ever, at all times and in all ways, the toys go out the pram.
Maybe because we wanna play with these cool models in a game that is actually played.
Good. So you can play them in 30k It's played and it's superior rule set. Win-win!
Nothing against HH having their own stuff, but it is very obvious that make rules sets for 2 system you massively open your customer base. I don't have any interest in 30k but the new daemon fellas would be awesome for me in 40k, but at that price point they're not worth it as proxies for something without their own unique profiles.
You only have to look at the number of debates sparked by Leviathan Dreads in 40k to realise if a 30k unit is competitive in 40k they'll sell lots.
Out of curiosity, do you guys actually know that that unit can be represented by any model with a specific base size? Or that that holds true for the entire army list? Or that having it in 40k would be redundant to the existing 40k daemon list because it's literally designed so that you can use 40k daemon models in it, as well as Sigmar models and third party models?
2019/12/02 19:20:36
Subject: Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours :Sabre Strike tank
I really wish there were more 'medium' daemons so Ruinstorm ones would have been welcome. It has always has bugged me that (aside characters) daemons are either human-sized one wound wimps, or massive giant monstrosities that eat tanks. An unit (or several) of ogre-sized daemons is something that should exist in 40K and AoS as well.
I read the news this morning and had a chuckle. It's always the same from them: "Yeah, we know, it would be cool, but nothing is in production". Which p/m means "you will sooner forget about what we said, than see us do it"
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6000pts 
3000pts
It's played and it's superior rule set. Win-win!
