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Interesting:

The Contemptor-Exemplar Dreadnought does not currently have a model, you may however choose to represent it with any other Contemptor Dreadnought model.

beast_gts wrote:


Before the Mechanicus stuff :-(

Well, that is slated for a book, so I'm not surprised. Fires should be out soon - just after we see the Tau 'dex, allegedly.

They're all very lovely-nice.

Pretty sure an Achillus is on my radar. The one with the pointy-stick.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

beast_gts wrote:


Before the Mechanicus stuff :-(

Well, that is slated for a book, so I'm not surprised. Fires should be out soon - just after we see the Tau 'dex, allegedly.

I've got a pet theory for Fires. I reckon the book was pretty much ready for the printers. Then 8th hit along with all the Lore changes, rule changes and army changes, etc and they've had to completely re-work the book up from scratch.

Beta rules and the rules for the Achillus, wat a beast. Those rapid fire heavy bolters... Lovely. Pricey, of course.

Mark my words- it is now only a matter of time before we get plastic grav tanks and awesome dreadnoughts for the custodes in plastic. It'll probably take another two years (minimum) even if they fast track it, but it'll happen.

 zedmeister wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

beast_gts wrote:


Before the Mechanicus stuff :-(

Well, that is slated for a book, so I'm not surprised. Fires should be out soon - just after we see the Tau 'dex, allegedly.

I've got a pet theory for Fires. I reckon the book was pretty much ready for the printers. Then 8th hit along with all the Lore changes, rule changes and army changes, etc and they've had to completely re-work the book up from scratch.

Well, that, and Alan died.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
Mark my words- it is now only a matter of time before we get plastic grav tanks and awesome dreadnoughts for the custodes in plastic. It'll probably take another two years (minimum) even if they fast track it, but it'll happen.

GW confirmed this is not all well see for Custodes, and with how well they have been sold, yeah. I totally expect more plastic kits in the future.

Anybody else think the Custodes FW rules are all pretty poor? I mean that Calladus has decent if unspectacular fire power but will die really quickly.

Is better to start low and then buff it little by little. Until you reach a good point.

Yes. Their rules are relatively bad. If they released them as bonkers people would have lost their collective minds, though.


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My main gripe is only 4 units. They should of waited ad released more all at once.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

beast_gts wrote:


Before the Mechanicus stuff :-(

Well, that is slated for a book, so I'm not surprised. Fires should be out soon - just after we see the Tau 'dex, allegedly.

The FW FB team said they'd release the experimental rules shortly after their Index books - eight months later we're still waiting.


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I know Custodes are selling stupidly well, but they could give us something...

I dunno guys, considering how lacking for anti-armour the GW Custodes list is, they seem to have given quite a few more options even if they're not "optimal". That Twin Las-pulsar on the Exemplar looks pretty noice, there's now a slightly cheaper transport option that's also faster and I think a bit tougher as well? Not bad.

The only disappointments for me are they didn't yet include rules for giving your jetbikes the Twin Las-pulsar option, and that they seem to have simplified the cool Heliothermic rule for the Lastrum bolt weapons into just adding 1 strength to normal bolt weapons.

 Yodhrin wrote:
cool Heliothermic rule for the Lastrum bolt weapons into just adding 1 strength to normal bolt weapons.

They didnt even port Heliothermic to be +1 Strength, the Lastrum Stormbolter has always been S5. They just dropped it for simplicity, which I am ok with. Im just happy we're getting something.

What does the Heliotermic rule?

Heliothermic Detonation, anybody that takes one or more unsaved wounds and is not slain has to make a Toughness roll or get Instant Death or +1 to penetration damage table if a vehicle. Now days it would just cause mortal wounds on a 6 to wound (in addition to normal damage) or something I would imagine.

I was about to say, it could easily be fixed, much to the annoyance of many, with the application of roll 6+ to apply a mortal wound on top of regular damage.

I'm glad the custodes beta rules are starting low to reach an usable sensible end point.

Going in too strong would make them uber bonkers like 30k custodes, which I believe no one wants.

 BrookM wrote:
I was about to say, it could easily be fixed, much to the annoyance of many, with the application of roll 6+ to apply a mortal wound on top of regular damage.

Haha, mortal wound mind.

On the one hand, Custodes are lacking in dishing out Mortal Wounds, but on the other hand they do dish out alot of damage per hit and shot. Speaking of Damage per Shot, anyone else find it odd that the Guardian Spear/Castellan Ax does 2 Damage pershot, while the stronger Lastrum Boltguns/cannons only do 1 per?

 BrookM wrote:
I was about to say, it could easily be fixed, much to the annoyance of many, with the application of roll 6+ to apply a mortal wound on top of regular damage.

Add in some "+1" to hit and a re-roll here and there and JOB'S A GOOD 'UN!

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yes. Their rules are relatively bad. If they released them as bonkers people would have lost their collective minds, though.

And then proclaimed that they did it to sell models and nerfing them after means they're done selling those models.

Well, the current set of rules keeps things as same as possible for the most part, so it wouldn't surprise me if that was the alternative.

 Alpharius wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I was about to say, it could easily be fixed, much to the annoyance of many, with the application of roll 6+ to apply a mortal wound on top of regular damage.

Add in some "+1" to hit and a re-roll here and there and JOB'S A GOOD 'UN!

On that note, the Iliastus Pattern Accelerator Cannon is missing the 'suffers no penalties to its hit rolls when attacking flyers' rule that is typical to weapons of its kind.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
cool Heliothermic rule for the Lastrum bolt weapons into just adding 1 strength to normal bolt weapons.

They didnt even port Heliothermic to be +1 Strength, the Lastrum Stormbolter has always been S5. They just dropped it for simplicity, which I am ok with. Im just happy we're getting something.

True, you're right. Personally I'm not OK with it, 8th leans into simplification a bit too much as it is, dropping special rules entirely goes too far IMO.

Ooh, new IA in the future. I bet it'll be out before Cyraxus.

Good for you guys to get your beautiful Custodes models in 40k now. The Custodes tanks from 30k are prettier than the 40k LR, but the 40k jetbikes are cooler (imo) than the 30k ones. May as well mix and match.

Yeah, unfortunately 8E 40K quickly became all about re-rolls, +1/-1 to hit/be hit and Mortal Wounds on a 6.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
cool Heliothermic rule for the Lastrum bolt weapons into just adding 1 strength to normal bolt weapons.

They didnt even port Heliothermic to be +1 Strength, the Lastrum Stormbolter has always been S5. They just dropped it for simplicity, which I am ok with. Im just happy we're getting something.

True, you're right. Personally I'm not OK with it, 8th leans into simplification a bit too much as it is, dropping special rules entirely goes too far IMO.

I mean, I am ok with it, but I think that it couldnt hurt if they came up with something worth while.

 zedmeister wrote:
Interesting:

The Contemptor-Exemplar Dreadnought does not currently have a model, you may however choose to represent it with any other Contemptor Dreadnought model.

Yeah, guess I'll hold off on getting the relic SM Contemptor for now. As its probably going to be the existing Custodes Dread with new weapons, hopefully it means FW will start selling the body solo.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
cool Heliothermic rule for the Lastrum bolt weapons into just adding 1 strength to normal bolt weapons.

They didnt even port Heliothermic to be +1 Strength, the Lastrum Stormbolter has always been S5. They just dropped it for simplicity, which I am ok with. Im just happy we're getting something.

True, you're right. Personally I'm not OK with it, 8th leans into simplification a bit too much as it is, dropping special rules entirely goes too far IMO.

I mean, I am ok with it, but I think that it couldnt hurt if they came up with something worth while.

They might do. These rules are not finished yet after all.

Very true.