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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So what do we actually learn in that book? This is the one with the cover that has him walking alongside a Scythes of the Emperor Primaris, which is interesting in and of itself.

actually it also has the remaining Scythes of the Emperor old Marines, and we learn a lot about their fate. Basicly they got screwed over, badly (and would have died out as a chapter if not for Primaris so they hold Cawl up as something of a savior) due to... being too nice. The population of Sothis, including it turned out some of their chapter thralls. was hopelessly comprimised by Genestealer cults. the smart thing to do once they fled the planet would have been to stop somewhere and cull everyone who wasn't a space marine among their ranks. it would have been some short term pain and would have been a "jerk thing to do" but..

We also learn a fair bit about Cawl. We learn that Cawl is an amalgamation of a number of individuals (it's noted he's absorbed others over time so this gives GW a LOT of room to have an impressive skill set. since we know Cawl has his own faction in the admech I bet he's more then once absorbed partiuclarly promising adepts whom have come to him) the most important of which is a scientist whom was a personal student of the emperor's and helped develop the black carapiece. It's made pretty clear that the Space Marines wheren't invented by the Emperor alone working in a garage, and rather they where developed by a large team of scientists working under the Emperor. (which could make for some AMAZING stories if Black Library was ever so inclined)

we learn that the first Primarius Marine (offically it's hinted that Cawl almost certainly made others who just didn't work) made is named "Primaris Alpha" and he was something of a "not completely sucessful prototype" he's noted to have a number of abilities normal primaris don't have including psykic potential. HOWEVER he's not exactly a sucess. he's in constant pain and it's outright said, Cawl overreached and it didn't work out and that the "production model" Primaris is actually toned down.
This.. actually makes a lot of sense. Cawl tried to make a number of new additions and Primaris Marines simply have the handfull that actually worked.

BrianDavion wrote:
He manages to seize control of a swarm of scarabs, he hardly has "complete control" over it. and during the entire time the place is actrively fighting back.

That's like me just waltzing into NASA and successfully launching a rocket while fighting off guards, scientists and sundry others. It's the sort of silly muckin' about that you'd expect orks to whoopsie-daisy up, not a faction of extremely xenotechnophobic luddites.

BrianDavion wrote:
We learn that Cawl is an amalgamation of a number of individuals

100% This will end up being "so that's what happened to Arkhan Land"

That's like me just waltzing into NASA and successfully launching a rocket while fighting off guards, scientists and sundry others. It's the sort of silly muckin' about that you'd expect orks to whoopsie-daisy up, not a faction of extremely xenotechnophobic luddites.

Cawl's been around since the heresy era and one of the major componants of his knowledge set isn't even a Martian Techpreist, but a disiple of the Emperor's. He's not exactly a normal "xenotechnophobic luddite" besides the idea that techpreists won't touch Xenostech is.. utterly untrue and has been for a long time. some won't sure but plenty will. they'll just cover up that any discoviries made as a result are from xenos tech.

ohh also another VEEEEERY intreasting revelation. Cawl has NO intreast in being fabricator general, and knows he could never BE Fabricator general. He utterly is unintreasted in the position, and seemed very suprised, and intrigued to learn Cawl Inferior had been asking Gulliman, repeatedly for it. It would seem Cawl Inferior might have it's own distinct agenda.

Spoiler tags would've been nice folks..

Are the new Siege of Terra books worth picking up by the way?
Im just about to finish the old HH series.

The first SoT is incredible, the second is very good. The third is out soon but its written by Gav, so I'm not holding out much hope.

Speaking of that the list of books available at the BL Weekender is up, and much to my annoyance it includes the third SoT book, The Great Wall: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/09/black-library-weekender-books-and-more/

I will not be happy if they sell more than one copy to the people going. I'm not prepared to pay for a whole weekend just to buy the one book I'm worried about selling out in 5 minutes, but equally I won't be happy if its out of stock even quicker because of this.

tons of images of all the pretty things on sale that weekend:

Is that Sabbats World Crusade book an updated version of one done a decade or so ago?

 BrookM wrote:
Is that Sabbats World Crusade book an updated version of one done a decade or so ago?

Yeah I'd like to know more about that. I had that book and remember it as disappointing, more maps and text than cool art.

BrianDavion wrote:
Cawl is simply capable of interfacing to some degree with Necron computer systems. He claims no one has done anything like it before, but in fairness if a Techpreist HAS they'd proably not be telling many people.

Pft what a wimp. Some random Techmarine in Hellforged hijacked an entire tomb complex by just plugging into a crystal.

No, really.
Hellforged makes me sad

Darn it 40K gets a load of lore/special books and stuff and AoS gets Trollslayer (which far as I can tell is just the book in hardback released once again). Which isn't to say that Trollslayer is bad, just that its a bit underwhelming.

Though its a bit of a moot point for me, I won't be going so either way I'd be missing out on the specialist stuff.

So I just noticed that Audible has a preorder up for Caves of Ice.

Pretty pleased with that, as the first Cain book was a quality production and Stephen Perring embodies him well.

 Overread wrote:
Darn it 40K gets a load of lore/special books and stuff and AoS gets Trollslayer (which far as I can tell is just the book in hardback released once again). Which isn't to say that Trollslayer is bad, just that its a bit underwhelming.

Though its a bit of a moot point for me, I won't be going so either way I'd be missing out on the specialist stuff.

Also we get "Court of the Blind King", the first novel centered on the Idoneth, on December 14th of this year.
"Gloomspite" is the 28th of December.
"Profit's Ruin"(a sequel to C.L. Werner's Kharadron novel) in early January.

There's some AoS stuff coming, it just isn't as showy.

As much as I’d like to get some of the new books early, the £75 ticket entry price is just so incredibly insane from my pov. If I went I’d spend a fortune on new books and all the other interesting pick up stuff, so I don’t get why there is a need to lump on a massive up-front cost as well.

It’s the same for events held at WHW compared to other independently run events. Never got why it costs nearly twice as much to go to an event at a dedicated venue, than it does for you to attend a similar sized venue that also has to rent the room etc.

Super looking forward to picking up and reading the new Dante book though!

 BrookM wrote:
Is that Sabbats World Crusade book an updated version of one done a decade or so ago?

Reprint but with updates and a new foreword if I remember correctly.

Kdash wrote:
As much as I’d like to get some of the new books early, the £75 ticket entry price is just so incredibly insane from my pov. If I went I’d spend a fortune on new books and all the other interesting pick up stuff, so I don’t get why there is a need to lump on a massive up-front cost as well.

It’s the same for events held at WHW compared to other independently run events. Never got why it costs nearly twice as much to go to an event at a dedicated venue, than it does for you to attend a similar sized venue that also has to rent the room etc.

Super looking forward to picking up and reading the new Dante book though!

Esp when you add on staying overnight and travel costs and the like. That said I guess that the £75 goes toward many of the fees for those authors turning up (as well as their travel and such costs) and the events they hold. Though yeah a high entry fee does dull one's enthusiasm to then spend even more on high ticket items once in the event.

I cannot be the only one who first glanced at this image, saw the motion of the two figures in the art picture and the fancy font of the title on the big red book, and read "DANCE".

 Insane Ivan wrote:
I cannot be the only one who first glanced at this image, saw the motion of the two figures in the art picture and the fancy font of the title on the big red book, and read "DANCE".

Indeed, you are not...and now I'm having trouble un-seeing it.

 BrookM wrote:
Is that Sabbats World Crusade book an updated version of one done a decade or so ago?

Last time it was bought up at a seminar it was a freshly updated version.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Classic-Inferno-Print-on-Demand-Collection-3-2019

Darn GW suddenly doubled the price by doubling the amount of Inferno reprints they do at once! Also I don't recall them doing any marketing for a jump that big. Why does GW have to do these stealth expensive releases with just a week or two to order.

Though its not all bad, TEN books at a time does mean that, in theory, it won't take as long to complete the whole collection of reprints and the price per magazine is still the same £5, which is honestly about what you'd spend getting hold of them secondhand.

It is annoying how they do that. Even if they just had a coming next week on them it’d help. I’ll have to wait until payday before ordering mine.

Yeah, not cool, had to dig into the savings account for that one.

Also surprised that the Covenant story collection popped up for preorder today, totally forgot about that one and aside from it being mentioned somewhere before, no release date was mentioned IIRC.

So, bit of an expensive day today, but good(?) reads ahead with Inferno! #4, Covenant and the Lost and the Damned waiting for me next week. Hopefully the reprint run will be out and about before Christmas.

Worth a look for book fans
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/fall-into-autumn-with-total-war-ebooks-and-beyond/

That's all the current TW ebooks which includes all the things for Warhammer Old World that they've got to date. Note its not ordered by series so its a bit of a jumble; just keep going through all the way to the bottom to see them all.

 Overread wrote:
Worth a look for book fans
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/fall-into-autumn-with-total-war-ebooks-and-beyond/

That's all the current TW ebooks which includes all the things for Warhammer Old World that they've got to date. Note its not ordered by series so its a bit of a jumble; just keep going through all the way to the bottom to see them all.

Cheers thats very kind of you to flag up

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/16/readers-choice-the-resultsgw-homepage-post-3-2/

Back in August, you were given the chance to vote on which classic Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Chronicles novels will get new paperback editions for the 2020 Black Library Celebration. In addition, you got to select which book you’d most like to see get an unabridged audio release. What did you choose? Let’s find out.

Of the six options in this poll, the worthy winner – with fully 50% of the vote – was Helsreach by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. This Armageddon-set novel focuses on Black Templars Chaplain Grimaldus as he fights to defend Helsreach Hive on Armageddon from marauding greenskin hordes.

It’s been out of print for years, and you lot are clearly excited by the chance to own it in paperback again – and rightly so!

This was much closer, with a tiny difference in the vote between the top and bottom entries. Chris Wraight’s Iron Company won the day. This cannon-filled tale is based around a retired engineer called back to duty when his old rival arms rebels in the heart of the Empire. It’s packed full of (literally) explosive action, and you’ll be able to get it in print again next year.

Audiobooks
Three novels topped the final poll – and the audio wizards at Black Library immediately got to work. We are delighted to announce that all of these top three titles will be coming to audio over the next few months!

Those three books are (imagine a drumroll here) First and Only by Dan Abnett, Ahriman: Exile by John French and Trollslayer by William King. We can’t wait to discover which talented actors narrate them and experience these classic stories in a new way.

Both Helsreach and Iron Company will return to store shelves in February 2020 as part of the Black Library Celebration – sign up to the Black Library newsletter for more news about this event, and to discover when your favourite books get their shiny new audiobook editions.

So Just finished reading the lost and the damned, and Guy Haley, yet again, knocks it out of the park. It started off a bit slow but damn it got good. I'm gonna let you guys in on a secret, normally combat in novels bores me, there's only so many ways to write "HE SHOT IT WITH HIS GUN" etc. but in this he managed to make the siege gripping, I had to keep turning the pages. Best "40k siege story" since storm of iron.

Inferno 4 is proving to be a great read. Some very nice stories in it and the continuing AoS stories within stories takes a very sudden turn for the worst (for the characters that is).

.. have been kinda tempted to start the "new" HH books but think I'll soldier on until the regular series has finished first still.


For those Stateside members who are near the Warhammer Citadel the 2nd series of novellas is available -- while stocks last presumably.

Picked the paperback version of the latest Deathwatch novel by Steve Parker .

Enjoyed the first one wwaayy back in the day and must admit I never thought we'd see this/any follow up, so here's hoping.

Read "Scourge of Fate" which was.... err.... don't want to damn it with faint praise but... alright ..?

It motored along quite nicely and it was quite interesting to learn a bit more about the Varanguard and the situations relating to them & Archaon.

Did feel a little bit like a reskinning of the Malus Darkblade series somewhat though.

I'm sure this is somewhat intentional -- and sensible too quite possibly -- and I'll probably give any 2nd book in the series a (paperback) try -- only fair to give the series a chance to find its feet.

I preferred the authors Carcharodons marine novels.

I still find much of the AOS storytelling to be.. not quite right.

It's almost as if they've made the potential settings too big perhaps ?

So you almost don't really care if the CITYOFPLOTDOOM or whatever is destroyed as it won't really matter.

One appreciates this is potentially possible with 40k as well but -- YMMV -- the setting and the implications thereof just seem to hang together a bit better.

Possibly.


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Audible UK are running a load of their daily deals again en mass. The deals change everyday at midnight but today they’ve got

Horus Rising
Warhammer Adventures : attack of the necron

Don’t know if this is just for the UK site so sorry if you don’t get it for cheap today too.

Going through Inferno! #4 now myself and so far, it's okay, aside from the Brazen Claw story, which was excellent, really looking forward to its conclusion(?) next issue.

Also got the Lost and the Damned and Covenant - Divination up next, with the two horror releases awaiting me next Saturday (the House of Night and Chain novel and the Way Out audio drama).

And yes, we need another Space Shark novel already! Hoping that the Badab Wars are next.

Almost done with Inferno! #4 (with special thanks to insomnia) and my personal favourites so far are the Prince's Tale, Salvage Rites, Green and Grey and the Fourfold Wound.

And not sure if this book has been announced yet, but Nick Kyme is also doing a 40k horror novel, which will hopefully not feature Salamanders (sorry Nick!):