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Yodhrin wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
Tempted to pick up the Gotrek omnibus books - are they worth the reading time?


The WHF ones? Can only speak for myself, but they're some of my favourites. Mostly solid adventuring fare, with a few real gems, and the only proper stinkers in the series IMO are one of the "off sequence" novels(the kinda-sorta-in Mordheim's total ruin one) and the "conclusion" duology under the End Times banner - and some folk will dismiss that conclusion given my well known opinions on the End Times and what came after, but seriously, if you find yourself enjoying the series give them a complete miss because they piss gleefully all over the characters as depicted up to to that point, they're relentlessly dour and po-faced, and make some really unnecessary choices about Gotrek's backstory and how it relates to another character. Unless you're extremely invested in the notion of following the "official" story through to AoS, it's better to leave the hows and whys of how the link up to your imagination.


I think I'll definitely, pick them up - thanks!

BobtheInquisitor wrote:The William King books are fantastic. I re-read Skavenslayer through Beastslayer every couple of years and never get tired of them.

The Nathan Long Gotrek books aren't necessarily bad, but they also don't feel like Gotrek and Felix books to me, either. I didn't read the End Times or AOS Gotrek books.


Are the post-Long books any good?

  • Road of Skulls by Josh Reynolds

  • City of the Damned by David Guymer

  • The Serpent Queen by Josh Reynolds

  • Kinslayer by David Guymer

  • Slayer by David Guymer


  • Or are some of those the "End Times" books?

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    Alph whilst they are adventure books they do run a united narrative through them. At least all the "*****Slayer" style books link one right into the next. So it makes logical sense to read them in their publication order to follow the story along. Reading several of them out of order will really spoil big events, whilst others will introduce things that appear really odd if you're not there to see them unfold the first time within the story.

    The omnibus editions are neat because they combine some of the short stories into them (though some are not always chronologically placed perfectly, but I assume most are placed within publication order).

    The omnibus are also the cheapest way to get into reading the books and save you a massive saving over getting them all individually.

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    We'll find out soon enough eh.

     Alpharius wrote:
    Yodhrin wrote:
     Alpharius wrote:
    Tempted to pick up the Gotrek omnibus books - are they worth the reading time?


    The WHF ones? Can only speak for myself, but they're some of my favourites. Mostly solid adventuring fare, with a few real gems, and the only proper stinkers in the series IMO are one of the "off sequence" novels(the kinda-sorta-in Mordheim's total ruin one) and the "conclusion" duology under the End Times banner - and some folk will dismiss that conclusion given my well known opinions on the End Times and what came after, but seriously, if you find yourself enjoying the series give them a complete miss because they piss gleefully all over the characters as depicted up to to that point, they're relentlessly dour and po-faced, and make some really unnecessary choices about Gotrek's backstory and how it relates to another character. Unless you're extremely invested in the notion of following the "official" story through to AoS, it's better to leave the hows and whys of how the link up to your imagination.


    I think I'll definitely, pick them up - thanks!

    BobtheInquisitor wrote:The William King books are fantastic. I re-read Skavenslayer through Beastslayer every couple of years and never get tired of them.

    The Nathan Long Gotrek books aren't necessarily bad, but they also don't feel like Gotrek and Felix books to me, either. I didn't read the End Times or AOS Gotrek books.


    Are the post-Long books any good?

  • Road of Skulls by Josh Reynolds

  • City of the Damned by David Guymer

  • The Serpent Queen by Josh Reynolds

  • Kinslayer by David Guymer

  • Slayer by David Guymer


  • Or are some of those the "End Times" books?


    I've never read Road of Skulls. City of the Damned is the first stinker I referred to, and Kinslayer & Slayer are the End Times duology that constitute the remaining stinkers.

    I actually quite enjoyed Serpent Queen, it's not Shakespeare but it's nice to see a bit of Tomb Kings/Southlands action.

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    I started reading either Road of Skulls or a Serpent Queen and just never got around to finishing it. The rest, I haven't even picked up once.

    The first two Omnibuses are enough, in my opinion. Even William King's final addition, Giantslayer, is disposable. If you want to carry on from there...maybe go with the Ulrika books? If you're looking for more Old World adventure, the Brunner omnibus is great, and so are the Black...Company? Nathan Long's omnibus of Black...something.

       
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    I actually found the Ulrika books less fun. I think its because they feel like the character lost a lot of her wild powerful mature nature and became a lot more innocent. The Ulrika of the Ulrika novels never feels like the kind of character who once rode free on the plains; trained with the soldiers; led warparties or even went to battle in no less than one of the greatest sieges of her day. They are still a good read and she comes into her own a bit more as they develop; she just doesn't feel the same - which to be fair she technically isn't the same in those books.

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    My Realmslayer book arrived!

    Nice hardback with a light gilt edge to the pages. There's a short intro, then there's the body of the book which is the transcript for the audiobook. Within that there are two sections of pictures which are really well printed and presented - nice middle of the page, glossy vibrant artwork from all the covers of Gotrek and Felix novels. Heck they remind me why I'm annoyed GW still hasn't given us (witch) aelves riding on sea serpents!
    At the end is an interesting bit of the transcript with notations on it from the writers. Including details of bits that were cut or changed such as the intro being shortened by 15 minutes and removing the setup for the Fyreslayers being on the walkway when they meet Gotrek at the very start (honestly perhaps something that should have been there).

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     BobtheInquisitor wrote:
    I started reading either Road of Skulls or a Serpent Queen and just never got around to finishing it. The rest, I haven't even picked up once.

    The first two Omnibuses are enough, in my opinion. Even William King's final addition, Giantslayer, is disposable. If you want to carry on from there...maybe go with the Ulrika books? If you're looking for more Old World adventure, the Brunner omnibus is great, and so are the Black...Company? Nathan Long's omnibus of Black...something.


    Blackhearts is I believe what you're describing. As far as I am aware the omnibus and all associated novels are no longer in print or available digitally.
       
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     Alpharius wrote:
    Yodhrin wrote:
     Alpharius wrote:
    Tempted to pick up the Gotrek omnibus books - are they worth the reading time?


    The WHF ones? Can only speak for myself, but they're some of my favourites. Mostly solid adventuring fare, with a few real gems, and the only proper stinkers in the series IMO are one of the "off sequence" novels(the kinda-sorta-in Mordheim's total ruin one) and the "conclusion" duology under the End Times banner - and some folk will dismiss that conclusion given my well known opinions on the End Times and what came after, but seriously, if you find yourself enjoying the series give them a complete miss because they piss gleefully all over the characters as depicted up to to that point, they're relentlessly dour and po-faced, and make some really unnecessary choices about Gotrek's backstory and how it relates to another character. Unless you're extremely invested in the notion of following the "official" story through to AoS, it's better to leave the hows and whys of how the link up to your imagination.


    I think I'll definitely, pick them up - thanks!

    BobtheInquisitor wrote:The William King books are fantastic. I re-read Skavenslayer through Beastslayer every couple of years and never get tired of them.

    The Nathan Long Gotrek books aren't necessarily bad, but they also don't feel like Gotrek and Felix books to me, either. I didn't read the End Times or AOS Gotrek books.


    Are the post-Long books any good?

  • Road of Skulls by Josh Reynolds

  • City of the Damned by David Guymer

  • The Serpent Queen by Josh Reynolds

  • Kinslayer by David Guymer

  • Slayer by David Guymer


  • Or are some of those the "End Times" books?


    The Serpent Queen is a excellent read - good fun, some amusing characters and lots of vampires.....

    Yeah City of the Damned was a massive disapontment = dull and pointless would be my view and thats as a Mordheim fan.

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    Oh man, Blackhearts was awesome.
    And yeah maybe not available now anywhere, as I sold my omnibus for quite a good amount, though it was as new.
    But I have the e-version so space matters these days (kids eh..)
       
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    Might be worth emailing BL about it - they've been reprinting in digital and physical a whole host of books from the Old World. A lot of omnibus editions have been re-released and are still being released (about one a month at present)

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    I think we're due an update or two one of these weeks, as things have been thinned out quite a bit.

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    Best to wait for a reprint on Blackhearts. I made the mistake of paying "out of print" prices for the last books in the Black Plague and Tyrion series back when the End Times was fresh and it looked like they'd never be reprinted, and now the whole omnibus editions are available for cheaper than the prices I paid per individual book.

       
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    Picked up Terminal Overkill today and read it to chill out after long week at work......

    https://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/featured/terminal-overkill-ebook-2019.html

    Good Necromunda yarn with some good action and interesting characters including the travelling herbsman/medic in his walking lab/shack. Nice set up for a sequal too. Although has a few elements from the newer lore, nothing jarring for me.

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    "I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

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     Mr Morden wrote:
    Picked up Terminal Overkill today and read it to chill out after long week at work......

    https://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/featured/terminal-overkill-ebook-2019.html

    Good Necromunda yarn with some good action and interesting characters including the travelling herbsman/medic in his walking lab/shack. Nice set up for a sequal too. Although has a few elements from the newer lore, nothing jarring for me.


    I listened to this rather than reading and throughly enjoyed it. Found the setting and characters very engaging. I really enjoy first person 40k books, I find them particularly immersive. The reader was excellent. Glad to have a grown up novel for necromunda at long last.

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    We'll find out soon enough eh.

     Knockagh wrote:
     Mr Morden wrote:
    Picked up Terminal Overkill today and read it to chill out after long week at work......

    https://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/featured/terminal-overkill-ebook-2019.html

    Good Necromunda yarn with some good action and interesting characters including the travelling herbsman/medic in his walking lab/shack. Nice set up for a sequal too. Although has a few elements from the newer lore, nothing jarring for me.


    I listened to this rather than reading and throughly enjoyed it. Found the setting and characters very engaging. I really enjoy first person 40k books, I find them particularly immersive. The reader was excellent. Glad to have a grown up novel for necromunda at long last.


    Could you clarify what you mean by that last remark? Because I don't recall any of the novels I read in the setting before being for children, so my first instinct when people say stuff like "for grown ups" in comparison to prior pulpy novels is "po-faced over-seriousness and/or political sanctimony". I was interested based on what Morden said, but if it's going to be some plodding serious book about serious business that's serious for serious adults, then not so much.

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    -----
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