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 Overread wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Actually, the T'au are already around at the time of Ravenor, the Imperial Guard sniper in the intro of the first novel uses a pulse rifle.

And here we are still waiting for the next Bequin book, dagnabbit.

Darn it you're right! Which is very confusing because Tyranids are very much not known later in the series. Which either means Ravenor has no understanding of the Great Devourer (which for an Inquisitor would be abnormal even with the size of the universe) or that the Tau weapon is a very rare item thrown in as a bone since Tau were certainly around lore-wise long before they appear game-wise.

This may be a mistake on Dan's end, perhaps a bit of rule of cool (the story takes place all the way on the other side of the Imperium, away from the systems where the T'au are active), along with retcons marching on and changing the timeline a bit. At the time the story takes place the Tyranids have not been encountered yet, aside from, well spoilers..

To be fair, the Inquisitors are smart, but still only have a fraction of the knowledge readers know. Eisenhorn is from the Ordo Xenos, but didn't know the Eldar use Aspect Warriors or what they even were.
In the Carrion Throne, the lead Inquisitor only thought there were "Nine angels" and was baffled by a mosaic depicting all twenty primarchs.

Gah, just remembered that Eisenhorn meets an elderly Hekate in one of the novels as well and when younger, Hekate fought against Tyranid bio-titans. Timelines so messed up, almost as bad as your average McNeill novel.

Ah, also Overread, did you also read the Magos?

 BrookM wrote:
Gah, just remembered that Eisenhorn meets an elderly Hekate in one of the novels as well and when younger, Hekate fought against Tyranid bio-titans. Timelines so messed up, almost as bad as your average McNeill novel.

Ah, also Overread, did you also read the Magos?

Not read Magos yet, however picked it up as an ebook for £2 today so chances are I'll get to it semi-soon. Likely after I get through Good Omens. Then there's the other unfinished trilogy which I'm half wanting to start and half wanting to wait and see the other two books appear for so I can hit it in one go.

Also its sounding like it might be that if its happening on the other side of the Imperium then Tyranids "could" be around and just unknown. It might also be that Ravenor might know of them by another name (ergo tyranid instead of Great Devourer) and might know of them only in a general sense of them existing and not specifically what they are like or look like. Still I suspect writing anything in 40K or AoS is a bit of a timeline/location nightmare in working out what should or shouldn't be known by characters.




PS tip. After reading the first Eisenhorn Trilogy I recommend reading the first main novel for Gaunts Ghosts. It contains a very satisfying element near the end of the book for one character who reappears there.

Hehehe, you're about a decade at the very least behind with that stuff.

Funny enough, First and Only references the Tyranids as well.

In case you haven’t started that series much yet, Gaunt’s Ghosts is great up through Sabbat Martyr. Traitor General is about where Abnett started phoning it in.

 BrookM wrote:
Hehehe, you're about a decade at the very least behind with that stuff.

It's funny but until Brian Blessed voice acted Gotrek (which meant I "had" to read all the omnibus editions before hearing the audio novel of course) I'd never really read any BL stuff despite being a fan for years. I'd just never made the transition to reading BL stuff. Which I think is not actually that abnormal. GW advertises it but somewhere along the lines many just don't transition to the stories. So yeps I'm a good while behind. It helps that the BL stuff is much more "adventure" than "epic" and whilst I do love a good epic saga I've grown tired of them for a bit. So with so much of the current fantasy market still hounding for epic sagas, I'm turning the clock back a bit.


It's just a shame I'm more a xenos fan and Tyranid fan because BL didn't really do as much for them. Old World tends to focus a bit more on humans too, though AoS is making great inroads to not being human focused. I also get the feeling we'll have more xenos for 40K in time too.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
In case you haven’t started that series much yet, Gaunt’s Ghosts is great up through Sabbat Martyr. Traitor General is about where Abnett started phoning it in.

I really enjoyed the whole series. Didn’t get a sense of it being phoned in at all. To each their own.

Sorry, but got to agree here - this is a series that like Gotrek & Felix, has overstayed its welcome. Time to move on.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
In case you haven’t started that series much yet, Gaunt’s Ghosts is great up through Sabbat Martyr. Traitor General is about where Abnett started phoning it in.

I really enjoyed the whole series. Didn’t get a sense of it being phoned in at all. To each their own.

Agree with you completely!

I've got THE ANARCH on deck now, and I've really enjoyed the entire series - a lot.

So much of 40K fiction is...not really well done - at all.

This series - and most of what Dan's contributed to Black Library's...Library...has been quite good.

 totalfailure wrote:
Sorry, but got to agree here - this is a series that like Gotrek & Felix, has overstayed its welcome. Time to move on.

Well Gotrek and Felix IS over

Though having read their entire core series (though not yet the End Times) I have to say I don't see any real reason to want them gone. Adventuring at its best.

Gaunt's Ghosts can suffer from arc fatigue, but it helps to simply read it in chunks. I've personally stopped halfway through His Last Command, but will start reading again, probably all the way from the start, with the Sabbat Worlds Crusade book on the side, the map included there does nicely give an idea of the scale of the campaign and why they've been hopping around so much across the system.

Honourbound by Rachel Harris is a more recent great Imperial Guard story that has a lot of Ghost vibes in a good way without feeling like a copy.

 Overread wrote:
It's just a shame I'm more a xenos fan and Tyranid fan because BL didn't really do as much for them. Old World tends to focus a bit more on humans too, though AoS is making great inroads to not being human focused. I also get the feeling we'll have more xenos for 40K in time too.

It is easier and certainly more relatable to write from the perspective of humanity, even if they're millennia in the future or past. But more Xenos stuff is coming, to the chagrin of some grognards. Guy Haley has done a short story and audio drama from Ork perspective that isn't an utter headache to read through, hopefully the upcoming Brutal Kunnin will be of the same sort.

Eight Lamentations is a great Age of Sigmar adventure series that's sadly cut short by the departure of the author, but that one showed great promise.

 Overread wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:
Sorry, but got to agree here - this is a series that like Gotrek & Felix, has overstayed its welcome. Time to move on.

Well Gotrek and Felix IS over

Though having read their entire core series (though not yet the End Times) I have to say I don't see any real reason to want them gone. Adventuring at its best.

Gotrek and Maleneth is pretty good

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are those actual books or just kindle files?

Kindle files.

 The Phazer wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are those actual books or just kindle files?

Kindle files.

I didn't know you could get the space wolf omnibus as an ebook, you certainly can't on the BL website :(

BrianDavion wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are those actual books or just kindle files?

Kindle files.

I didn't know you could get the space wolf omnibus as an ebook, you certainly can't on the BL website :(

Sometimes there are inconsistencies between the two. Eg the Great Devourer omnibus was once only on the BL site and not on Amazon.

 Overread wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:
Sorry, but got to agree here - this is a series that like Gotrek & Felix, has overstayed its welcome. Time to move on.

Well Gotrek and Felix IS over

Though having read their entire core series (though not yet the End Times) I have to say I don't see any real reason to want them gone. Adventuring at its best.

Gotrek and Felix are traveling. Felix is melancholy and wipes his runny nose on a threadbare red Sudetenland wool cloak. Gotrek is cheerful and eager for battle. A (fill in the blank enemy) approaches! Felix is fearful but remains steadfast in the end. Gotrek rubs his thumb on the edge of his ax and charges into battle. Much combat; Felix's sword arm begins to ache, while Gotrek chops (enemy) into confetti. Felix is grateful to still be alive, and Gotrek is disappointed at not meeting his mighty death. Wash, rinse, repeat...

 totalfailure wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:
Sorry, but got to agree here - this is a series that like Gotrek & Felix, has overstayed its welcome. Time to move on.

Well Gotrek and Felix IS over

Though having read their entire core series (though not yet the End Times) I have to say I don't see any real reason to want them gone. Adventuring at its best.

Gotrek and Felix are traveling. Felix is melancholy and wipes his runny nose on a threadbare red Sudetenland wool cloak. Gotrek is cheerful and eager for battle. A (fill in the blank enemy) approaches! Felix is fearful but remains steadfast in the end. Gotrek rubs his thumb on the edge of his ax and charges into battle. Much combat; Felix's sword arm begins to ache, while Gotrek chops (enemy) into confetti. Felix is grateful to still be alive, and Gotrek is disappointed at not meeting his mighty death. Wash, rinse, repeat...

Yeah, however you can do that to almost all stories and they can be boiled down to the point where someone writes a book proposing that there's only 7 stories in the world. It's an attitude I tend to avoid.

I think for some the repetition is part of the enjoyment; the flow of the story and narrative. Besides your'e leaving out the loss of friends, the new characters, the freaking huge airship that appears more than once etc...



I get what you mean, but at the same time I think that boiling it down to that you can say the same for any adventure series

My point is that it is okay for a novel or two, or maybe a trilogy. But when you draw it out for a dozen more books like Gotrek and the Ghosts, it gets pretty stale when you read it for the 27th time...

I enjoyed all of the William King Gotrek and Felix books, although the last two were showing some fatigue. For me, the stories work the same way a great sitcom works: I get to spend time with characters I genuinely enjoy spending time with, and something witty happens sometimes. Nathan Long wrote something decent stories, but his characters didn’t feel like the Gotrek and Felix I knew and loved, his stories focused more on advancing a plot than enjoying it.

Gaunt’s Ghosts was much more driven by story arcs from books 3 to uh, Sabbat Martyr. Then the majority of the arcs are resolved or paid off. It was clearly the conclusion of the series...until BL showed up with another cheque book. Then the stories felt like post-Cell DBZ: Mkoll is the best sniper who ever sniper. MkVenner ditto with scout instead of sniper. MkEtc the best etc, etc.. it was a jump from Dan Abnett Has Read Sharpe to Dan Abnett Has Read The X-Men.

More accurate would probably be, Dan has written the X-Men.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Gaunt’s Ghosts was much more driven by story arcs from books 3 to uh, Sabbat Martyr. Then the majority of the arcs are resolved or paid off. It was clearly the conclusion of the series...until BL showed up with another cheque book. Then the stories felt like post-Cell DBZ: Mkoll is the best sniper who ever sniper. MkVenner ditto with scout instead of sniper. MkEtc the best etc, etc.. it was a jump from Dan Abnett Has Read Sharpe to Dan Abnett Has Read The X-Men.

Also, friend becomes enemy, enemy becomes friend. Sharpe in Space aka Gaunt's Ghosts absolutely needs to be over.

JWBS wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Gaunt’s Ghosts was much more driven by story arcs from books 3 to uh, Sabbat Martyr. Then the majority of the arcs are resolved or paid off. It was clearly the conclusion of the series...until BL showed up with another cheque book. Then the stories felt like post-Cell DBZ: Mkoll is the best sniper who ever sniper. MkVenner ditto with scout instead of sniper. MkEtc the best etc, etc.. it was a jump from Dan Abnett Has Read Sharpe to Dan Abnett Has Read The X-Men.

Also, friend becomes enemy, enemy becomes friend. Sharpe in Space aka Gaunt's Ghosts absolutely needs to be over.

You could just, not read anymore.

 ImAGeek wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Gaunt’s Ghosts was much more driven by story arcs from books 3 to uh, Sabbat Martyr. Then the majority of the arcs are resolved or paid off. It was clearly the conclusion of the series...until BL showed up with another cheque book. Then the stories felt like post-Cell DBZ: Mkoll is the best sniper who ever sniper. MkVenner ditto with scout instead of sniper. MkEtc the best etc, etc.. it was a jump from Dan Abnett Has Read Sharpe to Dan Abnett Has Read The X-Men.

Also, friend becomes enemy, enemy becomes friend. Sharpe in Space aka Gaunt's Ghosts absolutely needs to be over.

You could just, not read anymore.

I've done that already, but we need to go further.

We really don't?

But either way, I imagine we are nearing the end there anyway?

He need to devote more time to his Inquisition stuff!

He's working on both Siege of Terra* and Bequin right now, he powered through the last few Ghost stories first because people had waited on those for quite some time now. But hopefully February next year we'll finally see book two of the Bequin trilogy, wouldn't surprise me if they timed it for BL day 2021.


* It'll be interesting to see who will do what book. It would be neat if he was the one to pen the last novel in the entire series, so it could start and end with him. But also really curious to see what Chris Wraight will write.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/blacklibrarycomingsoon/

November books.. yah !

Next set of novellas ..yah !


... and they're in hardback.....

...Was not expecting anything Soul Drinker related ever again.

 BrookM wrote:
He's working on both Siege of Terra* and Bequin right now, he powered through the last few Ghost stories first because people had waited on those for quite some time now. But hopefully February next year we'll finally see book two of the Bequin trilogy, wouldn't surprise me if they timed it for BL day 2021.


* It'll be interesting to see who will do what book. It would be neat if he was the one to pen the last novel in the entire series, so it could start and end with him. But also really curious to see what Chris Wraight will write.

Dan is pretty much confirmed to be doing the last Siege novel yeah.

YES! A 5th Omnibus edition of Gotrek and Felix. Two novels and then short stories sounds like they are starting with the stand alone stories. Interesting choice as I'd thought the 5th would have been End Times, instead it seems that they will now likely cover all the stories and then End Times

YES! Another Chronicles of the Old World this time Elves. Always great to see these since they are an affordable and often nicely collected way to get into the Old World stories.

YES! A new Novella series though odd there only seems to be 1 AoS story


ALSO YES - Bonereapers and Daughters of Khaine are both getting books!


Really glad to see this selection, it sounds like BL is up and running as normal again

Bit disappointing that the novellas are hardbacks now all of the sudden. But then again, probably only going to get the Bloody Rose one, so far the stories by that author have not been disappointing.

And this time around, only five stories in the series, odd. Was expecting another Guard story that pretty much copy-pastes an existing story into 40k.

Also very tempted by the limited edition of Ravenor, would make a fine addition to my collection of Ravenor books.