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That book could be awesome.
But whoever greenlit that name for the Captain should be sacked!

5 awkward syllables. Was it AI generated?

He will become Cap'n Obby if I choose to read this.

Seems like a non-European, non-East Asian name. Not that awkward.

Although I would like the author to post a transliteration guide.


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Like is it

oh bee SEH keh ra
OH bee seh KEH ra
oh BAY seh k’ ruh …. oh BAY seh KEH ra

oh bee seh KEH ra

I like that last one the most.

I started listening to a Ciaphas Cane book this week. Amazingly it isn't pronounced like Typhus (or Typhas I suppose in this case), as I thought when I read the first one many years ago, it's Sigh App Hass. I was surprised.

The C is supposed to be hard. That’s why his nickname is “Kai”.

Like how Candace is supposed to be pronounced “kan da kay “.


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They are both Biblical names. And so is Cain.

The character is named after two biblical bad guys.

That goes against whats in the audio though.
And they normally speak with BL etc about such things..


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Like how Candace is supposed to be pronounced “kan da kay “.

.

What is this all about though?
Never heard/knew about that..

Candace comes from a title, like “queen”. The kandake of Ethiopia is mentioned in the New Testament. Same with Ciaphas. The C should be pronounced hard (like a Tolkien elf’s name…and Caesar).


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And again, in the books Amberley Vail uses the nickname “Kai” with him. You saying the inquisitor is wrong?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

And again, in the books Amberley Vail uses the nickname “Kai” with him. You saying the inquisitor is wrong?

That 'Kai' could be pronounced 'Kay', and be a diminution of his surname, not forename: Kai as short (not by much, but still!) for Cain.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Candace comes from a title, like “queen”. The kandake of Ethiopia is mentioned in the New Testament. Same with Ciaphas. The C should be pronounced hard (like a Tolkien elf’s name…and Caesar).


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And again, in the books Amberley Vail uses the nickname “Kai” with him. You saying the inquisitor is wrong?

I’ve always pronounced it that way, hard C.
Just saying that the audio they don’t normally just look and say what they think, but discussions take place etc.
Particularly with their two main audio readers.

I’ve not listened to it yet, though this and Gaunts Ghosts are on my lists to redo the series’ but in audio form.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

And again, in the books Amberley Vail uses the nickname “Kai” with him. You saying the inquisitor is wrong?

That 'Kai' could be pronounced 'Kay', and be a diminution of his surname, not forename: Kai as short (not by much, but still!) for Cain.

If you ignore how the real name Ciaphas is pronounced, how the real name Kai is pronounced, and how transliteration works in (modern) English.


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@Danny76, unfortunately the audio book guy is wrong here.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
That 'Kai' could be pronounced 'Kay', and be a diminution of his surname, not forename: Kai as short (not by much, but still!) for Cain.

If you ignore how the real name Ciaphas is pronounced, how the real name Kai is pronounced, and how transliteration works in (modern) English.

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only pronunciation drift!

Lexicanum and the Warhammer Wiki both have pronunciation guides for the name with the C hard. The audio book guy screwed up. It happens.


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Ciaphas Cain is supposed to be alliterative, like Peter Parker, Bruce Banner and Lex Luthor.

This is “Bobba Fett” levels of annoying.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

They are both Biblical names. And so is Cain.

The character is named after two biblical bad guys.

After actually looking it up, Ciaphas Cain is missing the extra 'a' at the start of biblical Caiaphas' name. Should he not be pronounced KEE-aphas? Still doesn't line-up with the nickname, mind. Wonder why they changed the spelling?

Make it futuristic.

I love the books, so I will re do them, and audio will be the way.
But I’m not gonna lie, knowing it’s not gonna be said how I always pronounced it as a kid, will jar with me

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

They are both Biblical names. And so is Cain.

The character is named after two biblical bad guys.

After actually looking it up, Ciaphas Cain is missing the extra 'a' at the start of biblical Caiaphas' name. Should he not be pronounced KEE-aphas? Still doesn't line-up with the nickname, mind. Wonder why they changed the spelling?

Yes, if we didn’t have the author giving us the nickname “Kai”, you might have a point.

The spelling change might be as simple as differentiating the character from the historical person so searches for the character won’t get swallowed up with results for biblical sites. Or maybe it just fits more with 40k’s naming conventions, where names are changed slightly from their referents, like Lion El’Johnson or Kurze or M’koll.

Finished Mortarion - it is still Annandale but much much better than his Roboute novella.

For those hung up on the name thing don't forget some nicknames don't copy the phonetics of the original name.

There are Catharines who are also known as Kate by short. So you could have a Caiphas with a "sy" known as Kai with "K"

 Overread wrote:
For those hung up on the name thing don't forget some nicknames don't copy the phonetics of the original name.

There are Catharines who are also known as Kate by short. So you could have a Caiphas with a "sy" known as Kai with "K"

While I agree with your point.

How do you think Catherine is pronounced?

Maybe take it to a topic of its own? Someone is hammering the report button for every post here being off-topic.

Luthor is getting a French addition according to the BL FB page, in paperback. Does that tend to mean an actual paperback or the hardback-ish versions the Primarch novels normally have? Given Amazon can't seem to make up their mind about if those are hardback and paperback I'm not sure if that's a sign that some of the Primarch books might get reissued finally or not.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/19/an-unlikely-hero-comes-to-the-mortal-realms-in-godeaters-son/

New Black Library novel for AoS. I think it sounds interesting, though I find it disappointing that the only options humanity get for gods are Sigmar and Chaos.

In Aqshy, maybe. Shyish gives many options (most of them being Nagash, though).

Humans also worship Morathi (mostly in Ulgu I'd suppose) and Alarielle (in Ghyran).

 Scottywan82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/19/an-unlikely-hero-comes-to-the-mortal-realms-in-godeaters-son/

New Black Library novel for AoS. I think it sounds interesting, though I find it disappointing that the only options humanity get for gods are Sigmar and Chaos.

Human wise don't forget that Chaos in the Mortal Realms isn't like it is in the Old World.

You see this really well with the Warcry Warbands who each have their own god that they pray too. Now reality is that there are only 4 Chaos Gods or Sigmar to pick up on the human belief for the most part (however as noted other gods can tap in, but gods like Morathi and such don't seem to care/want/use human belief and don't seem to stress over having or losing it). So what happens if you have tribes, to cities, to whole nations worshipping their own god who, in reality, could be a greater demon from any of the four Chaos Gods. Indeed the same faction will have multiple greater demons posing as the god to different groups.

As such whilst there's only a few gods, the variety in belief systems is quite considerable. It also muddies the water and shows how nations and peoples can be worshipping forces that wish for the destruction of the world, without realising it. With Sigmar also being less than nice at times - he's very Old Testament style fire and brimestone and smite you down - and often very focused on his Stormcast and the greater picture; its easy to see how Greater Demons can use disguises and local folk lore to twist people to worshipping them.

 Overread wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/19/an-unlikely-hero-comes-to-the-mortal-realms-in-godeaters-son/

New Black Library novel for AoS. I think it sounds interesting, though I find it disappointing that the only options humanity get for gods are Sigmar and Chaos.

Human wise don't forget that Chaos in the Mortal Realms isn't like it is in the Old World.

You see this really well with the Warcry Warbands who each have their own god that they pray too. Now reality is that there are only 4 Chaos Gods or Sigmar to pick up on the human belief for the most part (however as noted other gods can tap in, but gods like Morathi and such don't seem to care/want/use human belief and don't seem to stress over having or losing it). So what happens if you have tribes, to cities, to whole nations worshipping their own god who, in reality, could be a greater demon from any of the four Chaos Gods. Indeed the same faction will have multiple greater demons posing as the god to different groups.

As such whilst there's only a few gods, the variety in belief systems is quite considerable. It also muddies the water and shows how nations and peoples can be worshipping forces that wish for the destruction of the world, without realising it. With Sigmar also being less than nice at times - he's very Old Testament style fire and brimestone and smite you down - and often very focused on his Stormcast and the greater picture; its easy to see how Greater Demons can use disguises and local folk lore to twist people to worshipping them.

That's literally the same as it was in the World That Was. And my point was that previously there were human deities like Morr and Ulric and Shallya that humans worshipped. They weren't all just Sigmar and Chaos.

But there are no models for Morr, et al.

A shame, really.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/19/an-unlikely-hero-comes-to-the-mortal-realms-in-godeaters-son/

New Black Library novel for AoS. I think it sounds interesting, though I find it disappointing that the only options humanity get for gods are Sigmar and Chaos.

Human wise don't forget that Chaos in the Mortal Realms isn't like it is in the Old World.

You see this really well with the Warcry Warbands who each have their own god that they pray too. Now reality is that there are only 4 Chaos Gods or Sigmar to pick up on the human belief for the most part (however as noted other gods can tap in, but gods like Morathi and such don't seem to care/want/use human belief and don't seem to stress over having or losing it). So what happens if you have tribes, to cities, to whole nations worshipping their own god who, in reality, could be a greater demon from any of the four Chaos Gods. Indeed the same faction will have multiple greater demons posing as the god to different groups.

As such whilst there's only a few gods, the variety in belief systems is quite considerable. It also muddies the water and shows how nations and peoples can be worshipping forces that wish for the destruction of the world, without realising it. With Sigmar also being less than nice at times - he's very Old Testament style fire and brimestone and smite you down - and often very focused on his Stormcast and the greater picture; its easy to see how Greater Demons can use disguises and local folk lore to twist people to worshipping them.

That's literally the same as it was in the World That Was. And my point was that previously there were human deities like Morr and Ulric and Shallya that humans worshipped. They weren't all just Sigmar and Chaos.

The are members of the Ironweld arsenal who worship Grungi. There humans from the realm of life who worship Alarielle and humans from the realm of Death who worship Nagash. There's even a novel centered around a group of humans who worship Kurnoth.

Thankfully not just Space Marine stories! Do wish they'd return to the previous Inferno! format and just run a gamut of fantasy and sci-fi short stories, I want my mixed anthology books damn it.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/19/an-unlikely-hero-comes-to-the-mortal-realms-in-godeaters-son/

New Black Library novel for AoS. I think it sounds interesting, though I find it disappointing that the only options humanity get for gods are Sigmar and Chaos.

Human wise don't forget that Chaos in the Mortal Realms isn't like it is in the Old World.

You see this really well with the Warcry Warbands who each have their own god that they pray too. Now reality is that there are only 4 Chaos Gods or Sigmar to pick up on the human belief for the most part (however as noted other gods can tap in, but gods like Morathi and such don't seem to care/want/use human belief and don't seem to stress over having or losing it). So what happens if you have tribes, to cities, to whole nations worshipping their own god who, in reality, could be a greater demon from any of the four Chaos Gods. Indeed the same faction will have multiple greater demons posing as the god to different groups.

As such whilst there's only a few gods, the variety in belief systems is quite considerable. It also muddies the water and shows how nations and peoples can be worshipping forces that wish for the destruction of the world, without realising it. With Sigmar also being less than nice at times - he's very Old Testament style fire and brimestone and smite you down - and often very focused on his Stormcast and the greater picture; its easy to see how Greater Demons can use disguises and local folk lore to twist people to worshipping them.

That's literally the same as it was in the World That Was. And my point was that previously there were human deities like Morr and Ulric and Shallya that humans worshipped. They weren't all just Sigmar and Chaos.

It's not just that either. Humans are known to worship Alarielle, Nagash and a number of other gods that weren't within the pantheon.

Finished Void King. A surprisingly good read. Recommended for people who want a change from the usual SM/IG books.

I liked the first one, really want to hop into the second one, have to wrap up something else first, but excited to say the least.