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 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm wondering if it was originally sculpted to be part of a diorama with him parrying somebody elses attack,

maybe look for the somebody else to be released later?

We've seen the March renders at this point.
There's nobody.

It's like how both Blackjacks had to, for whatever reason, have a weapon in their offhand and be in a kind of boring 'bleh' pose. CB isn't great at doing dynamic things as actually being dynamic. They just throw accessories at a thing and hope it looks good.

Actually, CB has a long history of doing fantastic dynamic poses. This Kurgat just isn't one of them.

And they also have a long history of doing awful dynamic poses.

Spektr Sniper, Wulver Mark 12(which I personally liked but that's because it was a dynamic piece that actually used debris on the base to look good), Crocman Hacker(surf's up brah!), etc etc.

Opinions differ. The Spektr sniper was awesome and unique. It wasn't a realistic sniping pose, but it was a pose that a person could adopt if they wanted too, and it was clear what the model was supposed to be doing. It did a good job of communicating that the Spektr was a more exotic trooper from a less conventional army than the Fusilier sniper or the Bagh Mari sniper or any of the other snipers released around the same time.

Infinity's dynamic poses hit more often than they miss, and despite what you say the company does have a reputation for well done dynamic models.

 jake wrote:

Infinity's dynamic poses hit more often than they miss, and despite what you say the company does have a reputation for well done dynamic models.

 jake wrote:

Opinions differ.

GROUP:

And that's probably enough of this particular tangent - and least in this thread.

Please feel free to start a new thread down in the Infinity sub-forum though - thanks!

This image came from the LVO seminar. I only note it now because someone re-posted it on the official forums.
photo by Allan emlet
It is the Human Rights Logo. I think it is a 'hint' that the non-aligned army Carlos mentioned will be 0-12. We know that 0-12 uses Ariadna forces. The next dire foes is USAriadna versus CA. I doubt the battlepack will be 0-12 v. CA though.

I really think its just one of the two palms that make the Daktyls logo.

Near the end of the CanCon video Carlos said O-12 would be set up like a sectorial army (and contain Saladin and Aleph Remotes), but also that its a long way off (and with every other army that was brought up, he was coy and hinting that maybe they would be this year).

Video link (facebook only, sadly) - at about 9:30 from the end.

 Red Harvest wrote:
I posted this bit o' shooping elsewhere, but here seems fine too:


The rules: too many and the game requires constant play so that the player can remain cognizant of everything. A lifestyle game. It discourages casual play. This is not a good thing.

It depends if that's the angle they;re aiming for, and clearly it is. There are casual games, and there are non-casual games. If you want cheap minis and rules than cane be memorised, there are games for you but Infinity isn't one of them. I, and I suspected most Infinity players, are fine with that.

Also, I'm stealing that image.

Steal away.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I really think its just one of the two palms that make the Daktyls logo.

Nope. It is the Human Rights Logo Although the Dactyls logo looks very much like this logo combined with its mirror image. This logo dates from 2011. The Dactyls' logo came much later.

I was just told by someone on the design team that the Kurgat is actually parrying a close combat attack. Which I can see, I guess. It's just a REALLY awkward pose on its own and without the context of another model doesn't make much sense.

I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

They could have given the Spitfire model alternate Rifle arms and a head turned a different direction. Then done a Boarding Shotgun model with Rifle arms and a medkit/satchel and a different head.

Two single model blisters with different arms and heads to completely cover all profiles in an AVA 4 unit.

 -Loki- wrote:
I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

They could have given the Spitfire model alternate Rifle arms and a head turned a different direction. Then done a Boarding Shotgun model with Rifle arms and a medkit/satchel and a different head.

Two single model blisters with different arms and heads to completely cover all profiles in an AVA 4 unit.

As much as I agree with this in theory, I'm glad that didn't happen here as the Asawira pose shown is incredibly boring.

 plastictrees wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

They could have given the Spitfire model alternate Rifle arms and a head turned a different direction. Then done a Boarding Shotgun model with Rifle arms and a medkit/satchel and a different head.

Two single model blisters with different arms and heads to completely cover all profiles in an AVA 4 unit.

As much as I agree with this in theory, I'm glad that didn't happen here as the Asawira pose shown is incredibly boring.

Sure, but the concern now is that it's hard to finish off the profiles. The Bahram starter has come and gone, so we're left with either a 3 model box (unlkely, they don't get tinbots) or another 2 blisters (rifle and boarding shotgun). If they want to do a Doctor model, 3 blisters unless they do some alternate parts for the rifle.

 -Loki- wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

They could have given the Spitfire model alternate Rifle arms and a head turned a different direction. Then done a Boarding Shotgun model with Rifle arms and a medkit/satchel and a different head.

Two single model blisters with different arms and heads to completely cover all profiles in an AVA 4 unit.

As much as I agree with this in theory, I'm glad that didn't happen here as the Asawira pose shown is incredibly boring.

Sure, but the concern now is that it's hard to finish off the profiles. The Bahram starter has come and gone, so we're left with either a 3 model box (unlkely, they don't get tinbots) or another 2 blisters (rifle and boarding shotgun). If they want to do a Doctor model, 3 blisters unless they do some alternate parts for the rifle.

I'm not sure that CB give that a second thought...

 plastictrees wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

They could have given the Spitfire model alternate Rifle arms and a head turned a different direction. Then done a Boarding Shotgun model with Rifle arms and a medkit/satchel and a different head.

Two single model blisters with different arms and heads to completely cover all profiles in an AVA 4 unit.

As much as I agree with this in theory, I'm glad that didn't happen here as the Asawira pose shown is incredibly boring.

Sure, but the concern now is that it's hard to finish off the profiles. The Bahram starter has come and gone, so we're left with either a 3 model box (unlkely, they don't get tinbots) or another 2 blisters (rifle and boarding shotgun). If they want to do a Doctor model, 3 blisters unless they do some alternate parts for the rifle.

I'm not sure that CB give that a second thought...

That's something that's wearing me down with their releases lately. I'm just so tired of waiting for the models I want and being told to proxy until it arrives.

Has anyone heard any rumours about Tunguska?

 jake wrote:


Also, I wish they'd stop giving giant close combat weapons to Mortas with no close combat skill. Theres no reason a Kurgat should be holding a weapon like that.

Maybe they’re trying to convey his complete lack of combat skill with that ridiculous pose?

 -Loki- wrote:

so we're left with either a 3 model box (unlikely, they don't get tinbots) or another 2 blisters (rifle and boarding shotgun). If they want to do a Doctor model, 3 blisters unless they do some alternate parts for the rifle.

Hush you. Don't give them ideas.

We have seen the return of two minis/blister packaging. Maybe (but doubtful) the next Asawira will be 2 bodies with parts to make Boarding Shotgun, Doctor and AP rifle. Two blisters seems most likely, one that can be a Doctor with one of the weapons, and one with the remaining weapon. The Doctor will probably get the Boarding shotgun.

The addition of the frenzy characteristic to the asawira has made them not quite so appealing though. And the nerf to regeneration.

 Red Harvest wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

so we're left with either a 3 model box (unlikely, they don't get tinbots) or another 2 blisters (rifle and boarding shotgun). If they want to do a Doctor model, 3 blisters unless they do some alternate parts for the rifle.

Hush you. Don't give them ideas.

We have seen the return of two minis/blister packaging. Maybe (but doubtful) the next Asawira will be 2 bodies with parts to make Boarding Shotgun, Doctor and AP rifle. Two blisters seems most likely, one that can be a Doctor with one of the weapons, and one with the remaining weapon. The Doctor will probably get the Boarding shotgun.

No, we actually haven't.

We've been seeing repacks featuring two minis. We just saw the Irmandinhos, a low point unit, get a single model blister(specifically for the Chain Rifle loadout which is 8 points...) when they have a very low AVA in Vanilla(3) and aren't even available in any Sectorials(we know they're coming in TAK but that's still a ways off). We just saw the Highlander Grey with AP HMG get two sets of arms(legitimately two sets of arms! it does two different poses) in one blister like what Loki was suggesting.

The most recent "two models in one blister" set which actually features new content is Bit & Kiss--but since they are in fact a single unit, they kind of have to be.


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 -Loki- wrote:
I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

All truths be told, who knows? They're talked about in the past it being related to "if the sculptor thinks it would look cool" and other things that shift the onus to the sculptor rather than them.

It is more the sculptor and art director along the master mold producer believe they can pull it off and pull it off than anything else.

Model production is more complicated than it seems and the master molder has a lot of saying in what can happen and what not.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
It is more the sculptor and art director along the master mold producer believe they can pull it off and pull it off than anything else.

Model production is more complicated than it seems and the master molder has a lot of saying in what can happen and what not.

Which has no bearing on why some things get extras and others don't.

It actually has, if the extra parts means a model less on the mold the extra model takes priority for example.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
It actually has, if the extra parts means a model less on the mold the extra model takes priority for example.

People with more experience than you or I have told you before that you're wrong about this. I won't say more beyond that.

I do not remember anything like that beyond a vague reference of you talking to some guys from GW sometime in the past decade or more.

Anyway, for many reasons some models will have extra parts and others will not.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I do not remember anything like that beyond a vague reference of you talking to some guys from GW sometime in the past decade or more.

Yeah...no. Section 9 is the one who shot your arguments down quite often in regards to the cost/opportunity on the old forums.

Most of what I ever commented on was the idea that you couldn't have options without "being prohibitively expensive". It's not a question of you having to choose between price and options(the new Highlander Grey with two different arm sets is $14.49 MSRP--which is $1 less than the Aquila Guard with HMG, a model with 0 options and is actually right on par with the Nisse HMG, Nisse Hacker, and likely quite a few more recent releases); it's a question of you having to choose to put the work in for those options to get made. It's a question of the company having to decide it will get more value and excitement from their fans by doing something like that then just shoveling crap out of the door.

Loki doesn't like me so likely won't read this, but he's made a really good point earlier in this thread regarding the releases "wearing him down" and being told to "just proxy". It is a very disheartening and downright frustrating thing for them to miss on "easy" opportunities like an extra head or arm set. I'm fairly certain I can speak for many people when I say that them slowing down their release pace to start expanding contents of blisters/boxes to make them more consumer friendly would be a Very Good Thing.

CB wants to act like it's a Big Dog in the game. The fact that they have an echo chamber for a forum does them no favors in these kinds of regards.

Anyway, for many reasons some models will have extra parts and others will not.

Really? For many reasons?! Who knew there might be many reasons!

Please, enlighten us with your extensive insight into their operations!

If the pose decided can work with alternative set of arms/ parts, if said parts can fit on the mold as it has been decided along with the rest of the models, if the increased parts increase the cost either because of extra manhours needing for packing/ extra space needed for the parts or extra metal, if there is enouph time to do alternative parts, if the alternative parts make sense with the rest of the release schedule, how much will the extra parts affect chances of mispacking, do the extra parts follow the same mold deterioration as the rest of the model.

I probably can think a few more, but I think these should be enouph.

From what I've seen from other companies, a lot of alt parts aren't really intentional designs as much as the ability to play with posing a bit more in digital sculpting tools and sometimes liking a couple things with minimal differences enough to be worth printing both.

In before the Mod warning :p
CB has stated that they are using new techniques in mini assembly, based in their experiences with the plastics for Aristeia! I have no idea how this will affect mold making, but I am certain that it will create fewer but larger parts for minis. This may make it even less likely for additional bits.

The release schedule. It certainly has a fair few Tohaa players who are less than gruntled with it. I've been waiting ages for the Acont Regular hacker. Haqq at least is almost done as far as new and updated sculpts go. but this is after a year of many new releases. Finishing off the load-outs for units already extant before moving on to a whole new set of shinies would do them well. All that pent up demand. CB is leaving money on the table.

 Red Harvest wrote:
In before the Mod warning :p
CB has stated that they are using new techniques in mini assembly, based in their experiences with the plastics for Aristeia! I have no idea how this will affect mold making, but I am certain that it will create fewer but larger parts for minis. This may make it even less likely for additional bits.

If this means I don't have to glue on all 10 fingers* on models I'm all for it.


* slight hyperbole, but not much on some minis.

 Red Harvest wrote:
In before the Mod warning :p
CB has stated that they are using new techniques in mini assembly, based in their experiences with the plastics for Aristeia! I have no idea how this will affect mold making, but I am certain that it will create fewer but larger parts for minis. This may make it even less likely for additional bits.

This is pretty frustrating if true. I don't know why they'd wait until they have less ability to do extra parts to announce they're doing extra parts. That's just bad management.

 Red Harvest wrote:
The release schedule. It certainly has a fair few Tohaa players who are less than gruntled with it. I've been waiting ages for the Acont Regular hacker. Haqq at least is almost done as far as new and updated sculpts go. but this is after a year of many new releases. Finishing off the load-outs for units already extant before moving on to a whole new set of shinies would do them well. All that pent up demand. CB is leaving money on the table.

From what I understand, from what PS has said at other times and what CB have said, the sculptors seem to have a lot of wiggle room in what they sculpt. The sculptor deciding to sculpt in a pose that limits a new business practice that opens up the ability to release more profiles is a real problem. They don't need to go into GW levels of over management but taking the sculpting team aside and saying 'look, we need to get more profiles out, we're committed to going extra parts in blisters, so from now on limit your poses on models that need extra parts to poses that will support those extra parts'.

As it is it's frustrating playing this game alongside Malifaux, where Wyrd has got their gak together. Every single release for the year will release that year, with enough models in a set to either cover the maximum that can be used or the maximum that will regularly be used. I can bank on the fact that while I am eager to get my hands on models from the last book, they will be released by the next book this year.

I'm still waiting for an FO Al Hawwa, a Boarding Shotgun Asawira, all the new Khawarij profiles, a Djanbazan basic rifle in the new design, a HRL Hafza and others.

Given that only one of those is in a new sectorial, the news that the next years releases will be for the new sectorials means the majority of what I'm waiting for is still 'proxy or convert'. It's worn me down to the point where I care little for picking up Ramah Taskforce unless CB get a better attitude to releasing missing profiles.

The fact that a whole range, Tohaa, will got a whole year without a release is just bafflingly stupid management of the range.

And a new AP rifle Janissary.

They had no knowledge about other, better, ways to assemble the minis because they never did additional research until they started on Aristeia!. But to stay competitive, a company has to stay current on the state of the art in the industry. At least, in most industries.

The Spanish expression is 'el que paga, manda' He who pays, gives the orders. CB needs to remind the sculptors of this. And then give them some orders. Fit the minis on the bases. Sculpt these profiles first, and in this order. Etc.

Ah well, I have so many minis that I need to finish painting that I'm not really in the market for new ones for a while. I only bought some last year because Fat Yuan Yuan ( who can pass that up) and the Red Veil expansion tidied up the Yu Jing for me. This year, barring something really spectacular, I may not get anything except the LE mini that comes with the book.

 Red Harvest wrote:


It certainly has a fair few Tohaa players who are less than gruntled with it.

Interesting enough. On the new forum IJW is saying that CB doesn't consider Tohaa a faction but only a Sectorial thus the limited amount of profiles and releases. Out of all the people that would say anything about what CB thinks/does he's probably the only one who's now an employee I would trust.

here's the quote

As I was one of the people pointing it out in the Warcor thread, Tohaa were are and are considered to be equivalent to a Sectorial by CB. It's how the force was designed and is why they generally only have one or two units in a given role and overall have a smaller range than the other 'main' factions.