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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 23:20:47
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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You're the one telling Marine players what they're doing wrong. You should actually know what Tellion does.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 23:22:57
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You're the one telling Marine players what they're doing wrong. You should actually know what Tellion does.
Excellent contribution tot he thread. . .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 23:26:08
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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Are they BS4? Maybe I am thinking renegades.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 23:34:16
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Basic Guard are 4+. They'll probably have some Regimental upgrades too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 23:34:19
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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Marmatag wrote:It would be nice though, because then those -1 to hit would modify you out of a "Gets Hot!"
In all honesty i've found that overcharged plasma just isn't worth it. At least, when people are playing against me, it isn't worth it for them, unless they're running guard, because their models are for throwing away in suicide squads.
Due to the cost of marines, and the cost of their delivery systems, it just has always been underwhelming, at least from the perspective of the person being shot. I'm almost happy when people are overcharging their guns against me. That might change with DA though. Although with the Azrael nerf, and the "meh" nature of terminators / deathwing, i'm not convinced i'll see much DA outside of a Spearhead here or there.
Super underestimating a lot in their Codex then. Their land speeded characters are among the more powerful characters in the game, darkshrouds are good, as are dark talons, plasma inceptors, RW bikes are decent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 23:46:20
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Clousseau
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Breng77 wrote: Marmatag wrote:It would be nice though, because then those -1 to hit would modify you out of a "Gets Hot!" In all honesty i've found that overcharged plasma just isn't worth it. At least, when people are playing against me, it isn't worth it for them, unless they're running guard, because their models are for throwing away in suicide squads. Due to the cost of marines, and the cost of their delivery systems, it just has always been underwhelming, at least from the perspective of the person being shot. I'm almost happy when people are overcharging their guns against me. That might change with DA though. Although with the Azrael nerf, and the "meh" nature of terminators / deathwing, i'm not convinced i'll see much DA outside of a Spearhead here or there. Super underestimating a lot in their Codex then. Their land speeded characters are among the more powerful characters in the game, darkshrouds are good, as are dark talons, plasma inceptors, RW bikes are decent. I still feel the best moment in the sun for DA was early on, before the guard codex. Azrael, 50x conscript squads, commissar, scions, dark shroud, razorbacks, dreadnoughts, and plasma devs /w banner. This list was beast, every DA piece got a 4++ from Azrael including the vehicles, the conscripts were morale immune and created ridiculous walls, twin autocannon dreadnoughts for range + the asscans before the meta shifted. DA actually rivaled Guilliman for some time on this strategy. The current DA doesn't seem near that good. Almost everything in there has had its pants nerfed off. Azrael was the linchpin, he was massively nerfed, razorbacks were nerfed, conscripts were nerfed, I think autocannons went up but i forget tbh. Also pre-azrael nerf, Azrael + 2x fire raptor was beast, because they got a 4++.
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Galas wrote:I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you 
Bharring wrote:He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/25 23:54:03
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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The list is just different now. It's scouts or guard infantry, azzy + helblasters + banner + lieutenant + devestators. That isn't their best list right now IMO but it is th obvious power gunline build. While razorbacks got nerfed untargetable landsleeder characters are a thing now which are stronger. Honestly gunline style armies are super easy to beat with it. My biggest worry is guard with ignores LOS shooting, but if I go first I still usually win that matchup now anyway. Easy to delete chaff turn 1 then go after the tanks. Automatically Appended Next Post: I think your view might be a bit skewed as a nids player about the azzy gunline. It is that tough but I beat it regularly pre codex. Immobile armies are pretty weak in the long run.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 00:11:32
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Clousseau
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Well my army is the opposite of a gunline. I haven't played that DA list you're mentioning yet, but by the looks of it i feel i would match up well. Hopefully i'll get to find out soon.
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Galas wrote:I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you 
Bharring wrote:He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 00:13:35
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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The best DA list now has both Hellblasters and plasma Inceptors.
I think it is okay to discuss DA in this thread. :-)
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 00:14:49
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Clousseau
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Primark G wrote:The best DA list now has both Hellblasters and plasma Inceptors.
I think it is okay to discuss DA in this thread. :-)
Well i mean *a* DA list has these elements. I'll be curious to see if it's represented at all at the LVO or another GT.
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Galas wrote:I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you 
Bharring wrote:He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 00:32:05
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
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I think Terminators are the best unit in the codex. At 40 points a head you get 2 wounds at T4 2+/5++ a power fist and storm bolter. This lets them kill 10 guards men in one turn if they charge. Also if they do charge every turn and lose no models making back their 200 point investment in just 5 turns
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Ultramarine 6000 : Imperial Knights 1700 : Grey Knights 1000 : Ad mech 500 :Nids 4000 : Necrons 500 : Death watch 500 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 00:34:07
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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Primark G wrote:The best DA list now has both Hellblasters and plasma Inceptors.
I think it is okay to discuss DA in this thread. :-)
I disagree I think that is too many points in competing elements.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 00:46:34
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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A friend is going to LVO - I helped him design his list... he has done pretty good with it. Doesn't mean it is the best list but so far is looking good.
I think terminators are a great centerpiece to fluffy armies.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 00:49:17
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Northridge, CA
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 01:33:39
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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He prolly really means it too.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 01:45:40
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Northridge, CA
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Well his post is pretty indicative of this thread. As a CSM player I was hoping to hear interesting things about Marines in this thread but instead I guess I should only be worried about certain units that need way too much support to be viable. That's a relief!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 02:09:39
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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It’s a great day for traitors if you believe what you read.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 02:10:58
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Not really. IG will handle them just the same.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 03:18:19
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I think DA/Ravenwing are possibly the other strong build besides Bobby G/Ultramarines/Dakka builds.
2 Darkshrouds create the -1 bubble for the army similar to Alaitoc or Ravenguard and we know what it does to deter gunlikes like IG. Conversely, it also lowers your vulnerability to plasma as detailed in the thread earlier. Plus then Ravenwing can take their own good flier to stack on top of this as well.
Then quite simply the Weapons of the Dark Age is cheap, easy to build around, and almost always useful. Then add Speed of the Ravenwing on top of that to add much needed reach. It's also 1 CP and pretty good in all situations too. Since both these Stratagems are only 1 CP, you don't need to mess with brigades or ways to artificially generate CP. A battalion and an outrider or two is good enough.
These powerful stratagems are simple and ubiquitous versus the standard marine ones which tend to be more toolsy and situational. Add in a unit that can provide -1 bubbles and you have some of the most powerful abilities for your small elite army.
Both this build and Bobby G go for simplicity and efficiency as opposed to the rest of the marine codex which seems to just want to give you options upon more options that are usually kind of situational.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/26 04:21:07
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Primark go see what you think of my killshot list over in the list forum.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/28 03:51:21
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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Looks like two Blood Angel armies have made it to the final 8 in Vegas. Not shabby.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/28 03:52:18
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Indeed. 3 in the top 10.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/28 03:53:03
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Primark G wrote:Looks like two Blood Angel armies have made it to the final 8 in Vegas. Not shabby.
Oh gak! Dis gon be gud! I wish we knew some concept of the list makeup. Is melee back?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/28 04:07:08
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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The BA are chopping it up like a Ginsu.
I wonder what happened to AM...
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/28 04:07:26
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Anyone know their lists? Just curious.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/28 04:16:35
Subject: Re:What are competitive marine lists running?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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There are a few lists posted in the Tournament Discussions thread. The only one I can see belonging to one of the BA players is from the guy currently in 4th place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/28 04:31:39
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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I noticed he is running quite a few Intercessor squads.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/28 04:46:07
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
Arkansas (Not Canada)
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I watched him play round 6, narrow win vs Chaos buffed Fire Raptor. The Ints are there to hold objectives out in the open, they do much better in progressive objective games as opposed to end game scoring.
Most of his heavy lifting is done by characters, Death Co, and Sang Guard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/28 04:48:17
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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It was hilarious when the raptor blew and took out a huge chunk of his army packed around it.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/28 07:02:50
Subject: What are competitive marine lists running?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Intercessors are one of the best units in the codex as far as I'm concerned. The range output is kinda lame but the melee output and durability is pretty awesome (if you ever get into melee, of course).
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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