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dan2026 wrote: I'll give them one thing.
They are certainly getting these 8th ed codexes out fast.
It's a good thing. I would like to see a few more model releases as well, but getting codices out fast means less time that some armies are left in the cold. And chapter approved is a great place to consolidate point adjustments and new units so new kits don't need to be tied to codex releases.
Wish they wouldn't have forgotten quality with their haste to release codexes though.
Everyone from CWE seems pretty happy with their books from what I've seen.
CWE were so strong the past few books that they could only go down.
GK and AdMech codices were somewhat disappointing, honestly, but Chapter Approved fixed AdMech a tad.
Jidmah wrote: Does a fish miss the ability to fly in the sky?
Why are you suddenly talking about T'au?
Grimgold wrote: Ones we are pretty sure about
Harlequin, Imperial knights, Orks, genestealer Cults, Ynarri, deathwatch, space wolves
No, the ones we are pretty sure about are:
Orks, Space wolves.
Every one else is a big maybe and anyone who bought any of those army on the assumptions of continued support from GW is a fool, or a pretty new player who don't know about GW yet.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: No, the ones we are pretty sure about are:
Orks, Space wolves.
Every one else is a big maybe and anyone who bought any of those army on the assumptions of continued support from GW is a fool, or a pretty new player who don't know about GW yet.
What?
This month had Codes: Custodes and TS. You know, two smaller factions than most of the armies you just disparaged. Are you not keeping up with the news or just beating dead horse strawman from 2+ years ago?
The community page already mentioned that there will be a codex Harlequins.
Otherwise I'd agree and wouldn't say that a dedicated codex to Ynarri, Deathwatch or nights Knights isn't 100% guaranteed, as they might be part of a different release, or the models might simply get repackaged with their respective rules.
The only one I'm 100% sure to get a codex for sure is genestealer cult. Too many boxes that no one would buy otherwise.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
Jidmah wrote: Otherwise I'd agree and wouldn't say that a dedicated codex to Ynarri, Deathwatch or nights Knights isn't 100% guaranteed, as they might be part of a different release, or the models might simply get repackaged with their respective rules.
Knights are getting new centerpiece model. Anyone who believes it won't be accompanied by new book should beware of offers selling bridges, quickly and cheaply.
Deathwatch already has more boxes than TS or Custodes, and if GW does sensible thing (if not firing Phil Kelly, then at least giving writing their damn rules to anyone else) they can easily double the count by officially giving them primaris units, or triple it by giving them SM support units fitting their way of operations DW for some inane reason didn't get the first time around.
Out of all variant SM armies, DW is literally the only one that deserves its own book, all others, DA, BA, and SW, could be easily fitted into Codex SM, like BT were. It even works that way in 30K, with all legions being just variants of main theme, and 30K DW equivalent (Blackshields) getting their own list because they actually operate differently.
Irbis wrote: This month had Codes: Custodes and TS. You know, two smaller factions than most of the armies you just disparaged. Are you not keeping up with the news or just beating dead horse strawman from 2+ years ago?
Are you expecting internal consistency from Games Workshop?
I know I'm not. There has never been any.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Irbis wrote: This month had Codes: Custodes and TS. You know, two smaller factions than most of the armies you just disparaged. Are you not keeping up with the news or just beating dead horse strawman from 2+ years ago?
Are you expecting internal consistency from Games Workshop?
I know I'm not. There has never been any.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Every one else is a big maybe and anyone who bought any of those army on the assumptions of continued support from GW is a fool, or a pretty new player who don't know about GW yet.
Either GW's behavior can be predicted based on what they've doing, or it can't. Pick one, buddy.
The inconsistency is only in your mind. I never said anyone should expect support to be dropped. I said it was foolish to assume support. It's also foolish to assume otherwise. Maybe those will be supported, maybe they will be dropped, maybe some of them are going to be supported and expanded upon while others are dropped. GW has shown that: - GW don't have any commitment to support the line they release. Sometime they do, sometime they don't. We know this from past experiences of some lines being expanded upon, and other being dropped or kept on life support. - GW don't have any consistent treatment of they faction they release. Sometime they support them for a long time, sometime they drop them. We know this from past experiences of some lines being expanded upon, and other being dropped or kept on life support. If you see a contradiction between those two sentences, point it out.
I stand by my point. All those codecies are possible, but only Orks and Space wolves are pretty much sure to be given a codex, all others could be left on Index or Chapter Approved rules.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Jidmah wrote: Otherwise I'd agree and wouldn't say that a dedicated codex to Ynarri, Deathwatch or nights Knights isn't 100% guaranteed, as they might be part of a different release, or the models might simply get repackaged with their respective rules.
Knights are getting new centerpiece model. Anyone who believes it won't be accompanied by new book should beware of offers selling bridges, quickly and cheaply.
So you want to buy a bridge? Feel free to burn it afterwards.
The announced three books and two models. Knights have not been one of the books.
Deathwatch already has more boxes than TS or Custodes, and if GW does sensible thing (if not firing Phil Kelly, then at least giving writing their damn rules to anyone else) they can easily double the count by officially giving them primaris units, or triple it by giving them SM support units fitting their way of operations DW for some inane reason didn't get the first time around.
Out of all variant SM armies, DW is literally the only one that deserves its own book, all others, DA, BA, and SW, could be easily fitted into Codex SM, like BT were. It even works that way in 30K, with all legions being just variants of main theme, and 30K DW equivalent (Blackshields) getting their own list because they actually operate differently.
There has never been a discussion about what you think your favorite splinter army "deserves". Fact is, Deathwatch a splinter army with very little model and rules support compared to the "big" chapters like Space Wolves, Blood Angels or Dark Angels. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm counting four army-specific kits and an upgrade sprue, Black Templar have more to show than that. Rules-wise they have 7 army specific units, even GK have more than twice that number.
It's likely that they will get a codex anyways, but they might as well be part of a "cool stuff of the imperium" release, along with Legion of the Damned, Inquisition and other splinters.
Last but not least, TS have 7 kits, custodes 5.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
Jidmah wrote: Otherwise I'd agree and wouldn't say that a dedicated codex to Ynarri, Deathwatch or nights Knights isn't 100% guaranteed, as they might be part of a different release, or the models might simply get repackaged with their respective rules.
Knights are getting new centerpiece model. Anyone who believes it won't be accompanied by new book should beware of offers selling bridges, quickly and cheaply.
So you want to buy a bridge? Feel free to burn it afterwards.
The announced three books and two models. Knights have not been one of the books.
Of course GW announces books in 3's. Knights being 4th book would still be unannounced.
Now once these 3 are done and next codexes are revelealed and no knight codex you might have a point.
If you asked me a week ago I'd have said that a Knight codex was a very low priority, and might not ever happen. After all they are covered pretty well at the moment by the Admech codex. With that new knight model however, I'd be willing to bet that they will get one. I also wouldn't be surprised if they got another kit as well.
Everyone crapping on Natfka in this thread and he was right from the get go lol.
People have called out a Tau and Necron codex since long before that rumor.
GW themselves called out Q1 2018 for the Fyreslayers and Skaven warbands for Shadespire.
And guess what? Thousand Sons and the last Custodes stuff goes up for preorder this Saturday, meaning he's wrong on that front.
Literally all Natfka does is take existing rumors/speculation and repost it as "ANONYMOUS SOURCES!".
As much as I agree about Natfka, he didn't actually start those rumors and I believe he actually attributed this time.
Haechi was pretty accurate for that distance though. I haven't updated the stuff for Feb yet since Feb isn't over, but it is nice to see it all in one spot:
Haechi - Total rumors: (2 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - updated 1/25/2018
[spoiler]
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Jan 2018
So, new rumors (apparently the 4chan schedule was some compiled leaks and some bullgak - as usual) :
- February : End of Custodes, Thousand Sons - for AOS : 4 Harbingers, Legions Of Nagash battletome.
- March : Codex T'au and Necron (maybe Necromunda, Bloodbowl) - Malign Portents campaign book, reboxed sceneries (maybe in Feb).
- April-may : Codex Harlequin and Drukari, AOS Aleves.
Since June, no data but :
- AOS summer global campaign like Seeds of Hope, Fate of Konor (Maybe a 40k campaign book / big boxset).
- End of August : Codex Space Wolves.
- December : Codex Orks / Speed kult (with new moldels).
- Maybe : end 2018 / start 2019 : Slaanesh 40k and AOS (probably around new Keeper of Secret and daemon Fulgrim).
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Nov 2017
Early and throughout January - Double daemons TRUE End of January is Custodes TRUE February is unknown but some is custodes
Early mid march is Tau
End of Month is necrons
April and may are Harlequins, Drukharii and the two new aelves for AOS
[/spoiler]
@pretre
Just to clarify, the post you quoted in "pending" was mine, I did back then a little "rumors compilation" found around the net :
- From Haechi / Temouloun (same person on ATT / WoS) rumors,
- From the Malign Portents "painting contest" flyer (for the AOS/ Malign portents new) - as Kanluwen said.
- From the GW-confirmed new Shadespire release (it was out last month IIRC)
- Form the 4chan release schedule (page 1 of this thread), which is apparently itself a compilation.
- Form the Dakka poster "Thebiggesthat" who said here after the Maggotkin release that the Keeper of Secret (so probably full Slaanesh release) was coming "end 2018". I think he teased the GUO before it was sighted at the Open day.
- About Slaanesh again, Bob said something about Slaanesh and Khorne (40k World eaters) being this year too.
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Ugh. This is what happens when you don't explicitly source your rumors and compile them. I'll try to update the tracker.
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Ugh. This is what happens when you don't explicitly source your rumors and compile them. I'll try to update the tracker.
You're welcome I guess ?
You could have asked me instead of taking my post like that - or just read the start of the conversation, the "new rumor" part of my post was obviously a reference to the attachment (i.e. two new infos from Haechi, SW in August, Orks in December)
BTW I just listed all the sources I used in the post above
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Geifer wrote: I always thought this hobby was better if one had something to look forward to rather than being in the dark, Chikout. Makes planning ahead easier and I find my most productive hobby phases are before new stuff hits. But to each their own.
Oh so true. I believe this is one of the reasons why I put my stuff on hold lots of time. Always seem we are in the dark so I am afraid to actually glue my minis because they could become invalidated at any moment. Now I am just modeling to what ever I think is "rule of cool". Would be so much nicer to look forward to something so I can get excited for playing again. Right now, I am just enjoying the modelling hobby and not the gaming aspect anymore.
I understand that and I kind of agree but as a fan of neither space marines nor Nurgle having six months of releases which I won’t buy mapped out in advance was even more demolarising to my own hobby.
I think with the 3 month preview window gw have now , I am more confident making purchases knowing that if something cooler comes along it won’t be for another 3 months or so. Gw have been on a quest to get the codexes done since the start of 8th. If the suggested dates for the three just announced books are correct we will got 6 books in the first 3 months of 2018. Another 6 books between April and June will have gw pretty much finished in terms of codexes. After that gw is somewhat free of thier obligation to the playerbase and can start giving us stuff we didn’t know we wanted. I am kind of excited about that idea.
Jidmah wrote: Does a fish miss the ability to fly in the sky?
Why are you suddenly talking about T'au?
Grimgold wrote: Ones we are pretty sure about
Harlequin, Imperial knights, Orks, genestealer Cults, Ynarri, deathwatch, space wolves
No, the ones we are pretty sure about are:
Orks, Space wolves.
Every one else is a big maybe and anyone who bought any of those army on the assumptions of continued support from GW is a fool, or a pretty new player who don't know about GW yet.
They just showed off a new imperial knight model, why wouldn't they get a codex, where are we going to get the rules if not in a codex? Also they point blank said they will continue to support ynarri, and we know codex Harlequins has been mentioned as something on the burner. Genestealer cults has a lot of models, to many to strand with just an index, so they seem like a no brainer as well. Also they said they weren't squatting any armies in 8th ed, and promised every army would be covered in a codex. The only iffy one is deathwatch, but I'm pretty confident because deathwatch primaris marines seem like no-brainer, and them not being in the index seems like setup to sell so new kits.
So forgive but it seems you are salty for the sake of being salty, I'm not a fool or a new player, I've been in this since third ed, so please kindly turn it down and remember rule number 1 of this forum.
Constantly being negative doesn't make you seem erudite, it just makes you look like a curmudgeon.
So, confirmed codices that are not announced yet are Orks, SW, Harlequins and Genestealers.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
Geifer wrote: I always thought this hobby was better if one had something to look forward to rather than being in the dark, Chikout. Makes planning ahead easier and I find my most productive hobby phases are before new stuff hits. But to each their own.
Oh so true. I believe this is one of the reasons why I put my stuff on hold lots of time. Always seem we are in the dark so I am afraid to actually glue my minis because they could become invalidated at any moment. Now I am just modeling to what ever I think is "rule of cool". Would be so much nicer to look forward to something so I can get excited for playing again. Right now, I am just enjoying the modelling hobby and not the gaming aspect anymore.
I understand that and I kind of agree but as a fan of neither space marines nor Nurgle having six months of releases which I won’t buy mapped out in advance was even more demolarising to my own hobby.
I think with the 3 month preview window gw have now , I am more confident making purchases knowing that if something cooler comes along it won’t be for another 3 months or so. Gw have been on a quest to get the codexes done since the start of 8th. If the suggested dates for the three just announced books are correct we will got 6 books in the first 3 months of 2018. Another 6 books between April and June will have gw pretty much finished in terms of codexes. After that gw is somewhat free of thier obligation to the playerbase and can start giving us stuff we didn’t know we wanted. I am kind of excited about that idea.
I certainly agree on the last eight months of dull releases (to me anyway). But I can think of a couple of things about which GW should feel an obligation and that I totally know I want.
Jidmah wrote: Does a fish miss the ability to fly in the sky?
Why are you suddenly talking about T'au?
Grimgold wrote: Ones we are pretty sure about
Harlequin, Imperial knights, Orks, genestealer Cults, Ynarri, deathwatch, space wolves
No, the ones we are pretty sure about are:
Orks, Space wolves.
Every one else is a big maybe and anyone who bought any of those army on the assumptions of continued support from GW is a fool, or a pretty new player who don't know about GW yet.
They just showed off a new imperial knight model, why wouldn't they get a codex, where are we going to get the rules if not in a codex? Also they point blank said they will continue to support ynarri, and we know codex Harlequins has been mentioned as something on the burner. Genestealer cults has a lot of models, to many to strand with just an index, so they seem like a no brainer as well. Also they said they weren't squatting any armies in 8th ed, and promised every army would be covered in a codex. The only iffy one is deathwatch, but I'm pretty confident because deathwatch primaris marines seem like no-brainer, and them not being in the index seems like setup to sell so new kits.
So forgive but it seems you are salty for the sake of being salty, I'm not a fool or a new player, I've been in this since third ed, so please kindly turn it down and remember rule number 1 of this forum.
There is absolutely no reason to believe the listed armies won't get codices. The rules already exist for the most part and a codex doesn't have to be written well to sell. It's easy money for GW.
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Why is the rum always gone?
Chikout wrote: GW just reconfirmed that a genestealer cults codex is coming on Facebook. So that's one less to worry about.
something specific? or only coming soon..
Just said coming soon. I just checked through all the recent comments on the 40k page. (wish there was a way to just see the GW comments) they said an orks codex is coming (of course) but gave a standard "if we hear news we will let you know comment" when asked about imperial agents. I didn't see
any questions about Deathwatch.
Grimgold wrote: They just showed off a new imperial knight model, why wouldn't they get a codex, where are we going to get the rules if not in a codex?
They wouldn't get a codex because GW logic.
The rules could be in a WD article, or in Chapter Approved, or in a campaign book, or just in the box, or…
Since you have been playing since 3rd you must be familiar that most of those already happened.
Grimgold wrote: Also they point blank said they will continue to support ynarri, and we know codex Harlequins has been mentioned as something on the burner.
I didn't notice that.
But anyway they said plastic Sisters of Battle were coming to, and then backtracked that into “No it was Sisters of Silence so not what was expect but still correct”…
So take what they say with a lot of .
Grimgold wrote: Genestealer cults has a lot of models, to many to strand with just an index
I don't think they have reached the critical mass just yet.
Grimgold wrote: Also they said they weren't squatting any armies in 8th ed, and promised every army would be covered in a codex.
.
They said every “major” army would get one, that's what the community team (who already gave false information) has been instructed to use as a cop-out for any question that they don't have an answer to.
It's only as promising as you are optimistic about it, it gives no actual information about what is a major faction and what the codex are going to be (i.e. if two or more factions are going to be put into the same codex together, for instance).
Grimgold wrote: So forgive but it seems you are salty for the sake of being salty
That's realistic. I learned not to trust GW the hard way.
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MajorWesJanson wrote: GK and AdMech codices were somewhat disappointing, honestly, but Chapter Approved fixed AdMech a tad.
Yes, 10 free points on a 2000p army with Cawl, very glad they fixed us a bit.
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Wow, and here I thought I was bitter as a long-suffering Sisters player.
Well, a good friend of mine will be excited about Tau, at least.
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Random thought, after this weekend the only force in the chaos index not to get a codex entry without being a legacy option is the chaos knight. What are the odds the knights book might be for chaos and imperium?
Oddly enough, I could actually see that happening. There really isn't much of a point of having TWO codex when all you'd need is an extra couple pages. Like, "if you're chaos, you loose this rule and the Imperium faction, but gain this rule and Chaos Faction".
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