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 Stormonu wrote:
Do you think there will be any new models with the Tau release? I know we're getting a Cryptek for Necrons, but haven't really heard anything for Tau - and I'm far more interested in a new model over a rehash of the Index or a codex, since I've still got my 6E/7E one.

Yes. it is a given that as a new book comes out, they drop a few new units or characters with it.

 Grot 6 wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Do you think there will be any new models with the Tau release? I know we're getting a Cryptek for Necrons, but haven't really heard anything for Tau - and I'm far more interested in a new model over a rehash of the Index or a codex, since I've still got my 6E/7E one.

Yes. it is a given that as a new book comes out, they drop a few new units or characters with it.

Actually its not a given. This time around because the codex releases are coming out so fast they are not tied to new model releases. A few armies got new things, many didn't get anything new model wise. Indeed mode releases have been pretty much totally separate from the codex releases.

All the codex are doing right now is removing anything that GW doesn't make currently from the codex listings. Those things might come back or get replaced when new models come; but as of now you cannot guarantee that new models will come.

The only new thing we know that is certainly coming is a new Necrotek model for Necrons - even that in itself isn't actually new unit, just shifting a finecast model over into plastic (and Tyranids didn't get join biovore/pyrovore nor lictor/deathleaper kits in plastic so you can't even cross your fingers that you'll get those either).

 Davespil wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Joey86 wrote:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/01/breaking-games-workshop-40k-more-product-reveals-lvo.html

If this can be trusted its Drukhari first, then Tau and after that Necrons.

For Tau i hope all suits get +1 Balistic Skill. wouldnt mind if Comanders would carry only 3 weapons but aditional 2 suport systems.
Missiles have to work without Markers so that the Marker table gets better

I'm genuinely curious as to what they're going to do with Markerlights but something that occurs to me is that Tau might get a "Grinding Advance" styled buff to Markerlights where if they remain stationary they get double the number of shots.

They need to drop markerlights all together. They were silly to begin with and are just used justify keeping Tau, which is a shooty army, from actually being good at shooting. Knock all suits down to BS 3+ and give the big suits grinding advance or the ability to fire without the -1 for moving. Also, a point reduction for suits.

So remove all interesting mechanics for Tau? GW didnt removed synapse/instictive behaviour an
d shadow of the warp. They did made them usefull.

They're not going to remove market lights as long as the miniatures exist for them.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Yes. it is a given that as a new book comes out, they drop a few new units or characters with it.

As has been said numerous times, that's not the way this Codex release cycle is going.

Most books get a token miniature, usually something previously available in a boxed game or special bundle, and that's it. Tau, Dark Eldar and Necrons are not full releases. The Necrons are getting a plastic Cryptek, not a suite of new units. We don't even know if the DE will get any new miniatures.

Maybe Grot 6 meant new codex entries that don't need new models (grand master NDK, ogryn bodyguard etc.). Although some codices didn't get anything like that.
The T'au could easily get something like a breacher shas'ui character (a breacher version of the cadre fireblade), or a stealth suit shas'vre character, that would just get a couple more options you can get from standard kits.
The Ethereal on hover disk is also a pretty decent candidate for a clampack release.

Apart from that, new models are indeed extremely unlikely.

I dont like the Idea of Tau getting more shots when standing still.
It was once a pretty mobile Army. It already has lost some mobility in 8th. We get a little mobility back for the small suits when advancing and using 3 markerlights but the bigger ones have real problems to be justified.

 Davespil wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Joey86 wrote:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/01/breaking-games-workshop-40k-more-product-reveals-lvo.html

If this can be trusted its Drukhari first, then Tau and after that Necrons.

For Tau i hope all suits get +1 Balistic Skill. wouldnt mind if Comanders would carry only 3 weapons but aditional 2 suport systems.
Missiles have to work without Markers so that the Marker table gets better

I'm genuinely curious as to what they're going to do with Markerlights but something that occurs to me is that Tau might get a "Grinding Advance" styled buff to Markerlights where if they remain stationary they get double the number of shots.

They need to drop markerlights all together. They were silly to begin with and are just used justify keeping Tau, which is a shooty army, from actually being good at shooting. Knock all suits down to BS 3+ and give the big suits grinding advance or the ability to fire without the -1 for moving. Also, a point reduction for suits.

Alternatively...

You can do things like Suits gain the effects of 1 Markerlight hit higher on a target(thanks to their 'advanced targeting doodads better interpreting the data compared to the relatively blah systems that Fire Warriors have').
Also, the big suits can gain "the ability to fire without the -1 for moving". It's called 3 Markerlight Counters.
3 hits makes it so you do not suffer the penalty for moving and firing Heavy weapons or Advancing and firing Assault weapons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're not going to remove market lights as long as the miniatures exist for them.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Yes. it is a given that as a new book comes out, they drop a few new units or characters with it.

As has been said numerous times, that's not the way this Codex release cycle is going.

Most books get a token miniature, usually something previously available in a boxed game or special bundle, and that's it. Tau, Dark Eldar and Necrons are not full releases. The Necrons are getting a plastic Cryptek, not a suite of new units. We don't even know if the DE will get any new miniatures.

Yeah, I doubt Dark Eldar will get a model. They've got their 3 main HQ choices covered. Though, a plastic Drazhar/Lilith Hesperax/Urien Rakarth would be kinda nice. But I'm just wishlisting.

I feel like Tau should either heavily rely on markerlights, or just have them removed.
On one hand its a really cool concept that, if given a legitimate ruleset, could really provide the army that unique feeling they need.
On the other, 8th is all about streamlining, and we could just have shoot and rapid redeploy tau.
Its a tough toss up.

Neronoxx wrote:
I feel like Tau should either heavily rely on markerlights, or just have them removed.
On one hand its a really cool concept that, if given a legitimate ruleset, could really provide the army that unique feeling they need.
On the other, 8th is all about streamlining, and we could just have shoot and rapid redeploy tau.
Its a tough toss up.

Yeah...no. Markerlights are fine, people are just salty about actually having to include the units that bring them in there.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're not going to remove market lights as long as the miniatures exist for them.

SM (and even new primaris) still have 1-2 models per squad with modeled auspex. Remind, me, when you last time saw rules for these things?

Joey86 wrote:
I dont like the Idea of Tau getting more shots when standing still.
It was once a pretty mobile Army. It already has lost some mobility in 8th. We get a little mobility back for the small suits when advancing and using 3 markerlights but the bigger ones have real problems to be justified.

It was exactly the problem with them, though. They were too mobile for most of assault armies. Last two edition Tau writers did atrocious job buffing wrong parts of the codex into the stratosphere making both fluff-breaking and one of the least fun armies to face. Which says a lot seeing Eldar existed alongside them, they might have been stronger but at least didn't have so many rule-twisting super special exceptions to everything bending the game balance into a pretzel.

 Irbis wrote:
SM (and even new primaris) still have 1-2 models per squad with modeled auspex. Remind, me, when you last time saw rules for these things?

Tell me when the Auspex has ever been intrinsic to Space Marines in the same way that Marker Lights are intrinsic to Tau.

A few random Sergeants with Auxpex bitz ain't no where close to whole units that revolve around Marker Lights. What you're suggesting is similar to the Guard losing Heavy Bolters because they're a 'Marine weapon'.

 Irbis wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're not going to remove market lights as long as the miniatures exist for them.

SM (and even new primaris) still have 1-2 models per squad with modeled auspex. Remind, me, when you last time saw rules for these things?

8th edition.

It's a Stratagem. It's called "Auspex Scan".

Joey86 wrote:
I dont like the Idea of Tau getting more shots when standing still.
It was once a pretty mobile Army. It already has lost some mobility in 8th. We get a little mobility back for the small suits when advancing and using 3 markerlights but the bigger ones have real problems to be justified.

It was exactly the problem with them, though. They were too mobile for most of assault armies. Last two edition Tau writers did atrocious job buffing wrong parts of the codex into the stratosphere making both fluff-breaking and one of the least fun armies to face. Which says a lot seeing Eldar existed alongside them, they might have been stronger but at least didn't have so many rule-twisting super special exceptions to everything bending the game balance into a pretzel.

The "mobility" of Tau(JSJ) wasn't really the issue for assault armies...it played a part, but it was more the active turn and "point and delete" nature of things like IA Riptides.

 Irbis wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're not going to remove market lights as long as the miniatures exist for them.

SM (and even new primaris) still have 1-2 models per squad with modeled auspex. Remind, me, when you last time saw rules for these things?

Auspex scan, A stratagem that allows people to shoot at deep striking units within 12". Also sergeants in devastator squads have something like auspex rules, which give a +1 to hit to one of the models in the unit.

jesus, just let old characters die and move on with some new ones.

i veto this

 necrontyrOG wrote:
I trust Natfka rumors about as much as I trust the sushi at the gas station.

Interesting that the first half of these turned out true.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're not going to remove market lights as long as the miniatures exist for them.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Yes. it is a given that as a new book comes out, they drop a few new units or characters with it.

As has been said numerous times, that's not the way this Codex release cycle is going.

Most books get a token miniature, usually something previously available in a boxed game or special bundle, and that's it. Tau, Dark Eldar and Necrons are not full releases. The Necrons are getting a plastic Cryptek, not a suite of new units. We don't even know if the DE will get any new miniatures.

Yeah, I doubt Dark Eldar will get a model. They've got their 3 main HQ choices covered. Though, a plastic Drazhar/Lilith Hesperax/Urien Rakarth would be kinda nice. But I'm just wishlisting.

I'm crossing my fingers SO HARD that we'll get something new, even if it's just upgrade sprues to make "official" Trueborn and Blood Brides. The pessimist in me keeps saying the best we can hope for is a "this specific build from a plastic kit is a HQ now" though (which, game wise, could still be cool)

Leggy wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're not going to remove market lights as long as the miniatures exist for them.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Yes. it is a given that as a new book comes out, they drop a few new units or characters with it.

As has been said numerous times, that's not the way this Codex release cycle is going.

Most books get a token miniature, usually something previously available in a boxed game or special bundle, and that's it. Tau, Dark Eldar and Necrons are not full releases. The Necrons are getting a plastic Cryptek, not a suite of new units. We don't even know if the DE will get any new miniatures.

Yeah, I doubt Dark Eldar will get a model. They've got their 3 main HQ choices covered. Though, a plastic Drazhar/Lilith Hesperax/Urien Rakarth would be kinda nice. But I'm just wishlisting.

I'm crossing my fingers SO HARD that we'll get something new, even if it's just upgrade sprues to make "official" Trueborn and Blood Brides. The pessimist in me keeps saying the best we can hope for is a "this specific build from a plastic kit is a HQ now" though (which, game wise, could still be cool)

I dont expect new models for this de release. A good time for new dark and craftworld eldar models after their codex releases will be once slaanesh gets a major release, as opponents in an event of some sort.

They could always throw a few platic kits out with ynnari when their turn cones around although I'd like to see them get a non unique HQ choice and maybe drop a few units from their roster to stop the dark reaper cheese.

Ynnari could very well be the big Eldar release that actually gets a set of new miniatures to go with it.

 Togusa wrote:

 necrontyrOG wrote:
I trust Natfka rumors about as much as I trust the sushi at the gas station.

Interesting that the first half of these turned out true.

The issue is that "the first half of these" had also been out in the wild from more reliable sources and GW themselves.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ynnari could very well be the big Eldar release that actually gets a set of new miniatures to go with it.

I personally doubt there will be any “Ynnari” unit releases in the future. They are completely built around 3 characters leading a force of existing Aeldari units. I sincerely hope GW don’t do another magic act and randomly create a new unit that’s never been seen before in the history of the Eldar/Dark Eldar/Harlquinns “just because”. They might, however, bring in new Harlequinn or Dark Eldar units in the future, which would then open up the opportunity of them being included within the Ynnari, but, definitely no new Ynnari dedicated units.

A new fighting doctrine, sure – they are a new army learning to work together in ways never really seen before on a regular basis, but a random “oh look, in the 100 years since BobbyG woke up, here is a brand-new Aspect Shrine we’ve just created out of thin air” will really kill it for me. Hell, do the Ynnari even have a base of operations yet, in order to start to develop these kinds of things?

In regards to T’au, I also don’t believe GW will remove markerlights. They are, essentially the foundation of T’au offensive tech. I can see them potentially altering the table though, as a direct response to what they do with the T’au sept rules. (e.g one sept might be like the Cadian doctrine – re-roll 1’s if you stand still, whereas another might be like the IF/IW and ignore cover). This would then open up the table for new options or a reduction in things on there, making the +1BS “easier” to get.

I think it would be fine if the Ynnari getnew units under the guise of restoring pre-fall Eldar methods of war. The way theu foughtbefore the aspect shrines were created, and before the darker half jusy became raiders and reavers.

Not that I want any of the dirty xenos to win of course. But everyone deserves cool models

Kdash wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ynnari could very well be the big Eldar release that actually gets a set of new miniatures to go with it.

I personally doubt there will be any “Ynnari” unit releases in the future. They are completely built around 3 characters leading a force of existing Aeldari units. I sincerely hope GW don’t do another magic act and randomly create a new unit that’s never been seen before in the history of the Eldar/Dark Eldar/Harlquinns “just because”. They might, however, bring in new Harlequinn or Dark Eldar units in the future, which would then open up the opportunity of them being included within the Ynnari, but, definitely no new Ynnari dedicated units.

A new fighting doctrine, sure – they are a new army learning to work together in ways never really seen before on a regular basis, but a random “oh look, in the 100 years since BobbyG woke up, here is a brand-new Aspect Shrine we’ve just created out of thin air” will really kill it for me. Hell, do the Ynnari even have a base of operations yet, in order to start to develop these kinds of things?

You're going to be pretty disappointed then. They've been pretty adamant that Ynnari will be getting a Codex...just they don't seem to know when they'll do it.

In regards to T’au, I also don’t believe GW will remove markerlights. They are, essentially the foundation of T’au offensive tech. I can see them potentially altering the table though, as a direct response to what they do with the T’au sept rules. (e.g one sept might be like the Cadian doctrine – re-roll 1’s if you stand still, whereas another might be like the IF/IW and ignore cover). This would then open up the table for new options or a reduction in things on there, making the +1BS “easier” to get.

I don't expect any change to the table. I keep harping on the stratagem that gives you more Markerlight Counters and I think it is important for people to remember that it is a thing. It's a huge deal for a single Markerlight hit to potentially multiply into a full blown 5 points. It would be like if Guard had a Stratagem that made it so one Order could become all the Orders.

Kdash wrote:

A new fighting doctrine, sure – they are a new army learning to work together in ways never really seen before on a regular basis, but a random “oh look, in the 100 years since BobbyG woke up, here is a brand-new Aspect Shrine we’ve just created out of thin air” will really kill it for me. Hell, do the Ynnari even have a base of operations yet, in order to start to develop these kinds of things

Don't worry. Forgeworld already did that:


I do hope we will see some new stuff for the Ynnari. It is sorely needed to make them an actually interesting faction, rather than them being just a copypaste of the Craftworld and Dark Eldar.

Kdash wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ynnari could very well be the big Eldar release that actually gets a set of new miniatures to go with it.

I personally doubt there will be any “Ynnari” unit releases in the future. They are completely built around 3 characters leading a force of existing Aeldari units. I sincerely hope GW don’t do another magic act and randomly create a new unit that’s never been seen before in the history of the Eldar/Dark Eldar/Harlquinns “just because”. They might, however, bring in new Harlequinn or Dark Eldar units in the future, which would then open up the opportunity of them being included within the Ynnari, but, definitely no new Ynnari dedicated units.

A new fighting doctrine, sure – they are a new army learning to work together in ways never really seen before on a regular basis, but a random “oh look, in the 100 years since BobbyG woke up, here is a brand-new Aspect Shrine we’ve just created out of thin air” will really kill it for me. Hell, do the Ynnari even have a base of operations yet, in order to start to develop these kinds of things?

In regards to T’au, I also don’t believe GW will remove markerlights. They are, essentially the foundation of T’au offensive tech. I can see them potentially altering the table though, as a direct response to what they do with the T’au sept rules. (e.g one sept might be like the Cadian doctrine – re-roll 1’s if you stand still, whereas another might be like the IF/IW and ignore cover). This would then open up the table for new options or a reduction in things on there, making the +1BS “easier” to get.

I could imagine a ynnari twist on existing units like a farseer that's used the power of eldar souls now twisted in to yneads design granting him access to the revenant discipline but also giving him a different kind of equipment instead of ghost helms, I'd like to see only select units from the other eldar factions be allowed to be taken but a few ynnari specific units thrown in as well, I also prefer not to run special characters so a HQ would be nice.

Are these news or old information?

"Haechi: I'm not going to rate it because that would be too subjective. All I can tell is that I have a massive tournament coming in two months and I'm dropping my Custodes and Thousand Sons list to play T'au instead. Also buy Riptides and a couple Hammerheads (with Ion Cannons) if you don't have them.

Haechi: I lost track of this topic for a while, but Arka told me someone dropped a rumour about Gun Drones not having saviour protocols and Rail weapons being the same price.

Haechi: I can tell you both are false. Although there is a small change to saviour protocols.

Sonnenkoenig: Yes, thanks for telling us! Burst-or Iontide...?

Haechi: Either and both. The firepower of both has skyrocketed while the point cost dropped hard. Plus there's two insane stratagems for them."

 von Hohenstein wrote:
Are these news or old information?

"Haechi: I'm not going to rate it because that would be too subjective. All I can tell is that I have a massive tournament coming in two months and I'm dropping my Custodes and Thousand Sons list to play T'au instead. Also buy Riptides and a couple Hammerheads (with Ion Cannons) if you don't have them.

Haechi: I lost track of this topic for a while, but Arka told me someone dropped a rumour about Gun Drones not having saviour protocols and Rail weapons being the same price.

Haechi: I can tell you both are false. Although there is a small change to saviour protocols.

Sonnenkoenig: Yes, thanks for telling us! Burst-or Iontide...?

Haechi: Either and both. The firepower of both has skyrocketed while the point cost dropped hard. Plus there's two insane stratagems for them."

Looks like new information to me! What's the source on this?

 Arachnofiend wrote:

Looks like new information to me! What's the source on this?

gw-fanworld.de

"Haechi" claims to already have the codex. And according to other users he is one of the "trustworthy" sources for codex leaks.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hoping for plastic Vespid. If only because Finecast isn’t much fun to work with.

Consider that hope doubled. The only reason I have any Vespids at all is I ran across a (dusty) box of metal ones when I was on a trip to another state - about three months ago.