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If you want to get your HQs save and sound to the frontline stick them all together in a Raider/Venom, put it into reserve with the new stratagem and deploy them there?

the_scotsman wrote:

....like every other faction in the game gets to. sorry, exception - admech has no transports at all.

Sorry admech.

Why would admech need transports? They are almost robots after all. If they wanted transports they would have had wheels then. Yeah yeah, Necrons are robots as well but they wanted to become flesh so that is why they have transports.

Davor wrote:
Yeah yeah, Necrons are robots as well but they wanted to become flesh so that is why they have transports.

*A* transport, and it's only useful for one unit (warriors), and only for a minimum-sized force of them, also...

hvg3akaek wrote:

Davor wrote:
Yeah yeah, Necrons are robots as well but they wanted to become flesh so that is why they have transports.

*A* transport, and it's only useful for one unit (warriors), and only for a minimum-sized force of them, also...

There’s also the Nightscythe and Monolith

 Bi'ios wrote:

hvg3akaek wrote:

Davor wrote:
Yeah yeah, Necrons are robots as well but they wanted to become flesh so that is why they have transports.

*A* transport, and it's only useful for one unit (warriors), and only for a minimum-sized force of them, also...

There’s also the Nightscythe and Monolith

Neither the Night Scythe or Monolith have the TRANSPORT keyword.

Admech has the kataphrons & rust/sicarian for "transport" everything else just walks tirelessly to the battle from wherever the omnissiah calculates to be the best & most efficient use of resources. but yes they could use a A"razorback" equiv. something troopish should soak up some fire. or a moveable shield of some sort.

I dunno why everyone is freaking out about transports for whichever factions. I'm seeing less and less Rhinos, Razorbacks, and Land Raiders on the table for Space Marines and Chaos. I think the only transports that I see regularly are for Eldar and Dark Eldar.

With everything getting its own move characteristic, and with so many wonky rules around transports, including their points increase (remember when Rhinos were only 35 points?), transports aren't all that necessary any more, except maybe as line of sight blockers. Besides, everyone's saying that horde armies are the best, so wouldn't you want to just take large blob squads of whatever your base troop is and walk them up anyway? Why would you waste points on a transport, especially one as expensive as a razorback equivalent when you can have more bodies?

I try to run at least 1, most often 2. they're good for the points. lascannon & asscannon are very useful even if you don't put anybody in it.

A full footslogging wych cult army with the +1 strength only loose one to morale trait would be kind of cool

the_scotsman wrote:

Terminator armor deep strikes, Wings for daemon princes, bikes, jump packs, mounts...and if all else fails, land raiders have extra transport slots.

but yeah, theyr epretty much in the same situation.

Land raiders have transport capacity 10. Crusader has more but that's not for chaos. Lascannon one for chaos and loyalist has 10.

 Mantle wrote:
A full footslogging wych cult army with the +1 strength only loose one to morale trait would be kind of cool

It'd probably be about as meta-dominant as those Storm Guardian Lyanden eldar armies we're currently seeing sweep tournaments left and right. Similar troops with similar defenses and immunity to morale.

To be clear here - the transport thing is a minor annoyance with what is otherwise a freakin' amazing codex. I've said before that I won't make many demands with my dark eldar - I'm comfortable not being the best at shooting, the strongest, the best and survivability, the best at melee...this is fine. Other factions can have those glories. The only thing I will and have demanded for my Dark Eldar is to be the fastest. They are the fast army. And that means that my HQs (barring Haemonculi) are almost always going to be rolling up the field in transports. It is consistently a source of irritation to me then, when my Dark Eldar alone among the factions that I collect has to play a little mini-game of sudoku to get their HQs to fit inside said transports with their units.

Do I waste extra points to give each and every one a personal venom? Do I create an HQ party bus filled with 200 points of characters with a huge "Shoot me" sign painted on the side? Do I give up 2 valuable special/heavy weapons in one of my squads just to give my HQ a seat? Do I spend an extra 1-2CP to bring them in via deep strike?

Why do I have to play this little mini-game with my Dark Eldar when my Guard, my Thousand Sons, heck my Harlequins who have a completely identical in statline transport just have little conveniences baked into their rules to avoid it? It's not any kind of game-breaking or rage inducing, it's just consistently awkward and annoying, especially when Dark Eldar are now being pushed to take more mandatory fixed HQs than anyone else. Imagine the level of complaints you'd get if Space Marines only had access to Rhinos and Drop pods with their 10 transport capacity, and to play Space Marines you had to bring a footslogging captain, librarian, and chaplain before you were allowed to build the rest of your list. You don't even have to imagine it - look at the complaints surrounding the Repulsor. Transport awkwardness is annoying for anyone who has to deal with it.

And DE units can't share transports easily. You can't put a melee oriented Archon in a raider with wyches. Or a succubus with wracks or grotesques.

fresus wrote:
And DE units can't share transports easily. You can't put a melee oriented Archon in a raider with wyches. Or a succubus with wracks or grotesques.

Unless we've confirmed that its changed in the codex, they can (I dont think it's been mentioned/leaked yet).

Current rules allow the transport to carry Drukhari models, though the vehicle itself does gain <Kabal> <WC> etc. That does allow cross-subfaction transporting.

the_scotsman wrote:


Conveniently, every chaos faction has a handy dandy mobility option for all their HQs.

Terminator armor deep strikes, Wings for daemon princes, bikes, jump packs, mounts...and if all else fails, land raiders have extra transport slots.

but yeah, theyr epretty much in the same situation.

Chaos has no size 12 LR in codex. But it's good to know that it's the same when you pay more for a terminator character, wings, etc.

Chaos also doesn't have a stratagem that lets you deepstike a transport WITH a unit inside of it as well as a plethora of other things that are uniquely DE.

So, yes, I will play the violin for DE missing out on special weapon.

Hoping we get an update on the next codex after dark eldar relatively soon.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Hoping we get an update on the next codex after dark eldar relatively soon.

Knights, Harlequins and Deathwatch.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/22/breaking-news-major-revealsgw-homepage-post-1/

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Hoping we get an update on the next codex after dark eldar relatively soon.

Knights, Harlequins and Deathwatch.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/22/breaking-news-major-revealsgw-homepage-post-1/

Allow me to write that better, then. I know what's coming next, I just hope we get an update on which one is first, when, etc.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Hoping we get an update on the next codex after dark eldar relatively soon.

Knights, Harlequins and Deathwatch.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/22/breaking-news-major-revealsgw-homepage-post-1/

Allow me to write that better, then. I know what's coming next, I just hope we get an update on which one is first, when, etc.

Gotcha. I would assume Knights first, but not for any particular reason.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Hoping we get an update on the next codex after dark eldar relatively soon.

Knights, Harlequins and Deathwatch.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/22/breaking-news-major-revealsgw-homepage-post-1/

Allow me to write that better, then. I know what's coming next, I just hope we get an update on which one is first, when, etc.

Gotcha. I would assume Knights first, but not for any particular reason.

I would like to agree, for entirely seflish reasons.

With Deepkin coming next for Age of Sigmar, don't expect to find out which is next for at least two or three weeks (and even then I wouldn't expect Knights until at least May so they can feature in White Dwarf).

I believe most of the current rumors have the clowns coming next, followed by knights with the new teased gigundus-knight and the full mini-knight kit with more options.

Clowns being a no-model release like Dark Eldar.

the_scotsman wrote:
Do I create an HQ party bus filled with 200 points of characters with a huge "Shoot me" sign painted on the side?

This is actually a great idea. If you literally painted a sign that said "shoot me" on the side of your venom, you'd absolutely psych out a non-zero number of opponents, leaving them to hopelessly second guess their plans of attack. "What am I missing? That's obviously the biggest target, but why call attention to it? It must be a distraction!"

Codex solved.

Benn Roe wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Do I create an HQ party bus filled with 200 points of characters with a huge "Shoot me" sign painted on the side?

This is actually a great idea. If you literally painted a sign that said "shoot me" on the side of your venom, you'd absolutely psych out a non-zero number of opponents, leaving them to hopelessly second guess their plans of attack. "What am I missing? That's obviously the biggest target, but why call attention to it? It must be a distraction!"

Codex solved.

This tactic is also suitably fluffy and has DE written all over it! Perfect.

Benn Roe wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Do I create an HQ party bus filled with 200 points of characters with a huge "Shoot me" sign painted on the side?

This is actually a great idea. If you literally painted a sign that said "shoot me" on the side of your venom, you'd absolutely psych out a non-zero number of opponents, leaving them to hopelessly second guess their plans of attack. "What am I missing? That's obviously the biggest target, but why call attention to it? It must be a distraction!"

Codex solved.

And then you have people like me who must press the big red button.

Oh sure. It's not going to tilt everyone, but it's not likely to make the situation worse, either.

From a Spanish version of the Codex, Mandrakes now to 1d3 MW in 6+ to wound. But maybe this is an error, I don't know, the spanish versions of the codex are prone to that.

 Galas wrote:

Spoiler:

From a Spanish version of the Codex, Mandrakes now to 1d3 MW in 6+ to wound. But maybe this is an error, I don't know, the spanish versions of the codex are prone to that.

It's got to be an error. No mention of it in any of the English Codex reviews.

They got 3 attacks now? And with -1 AP and a point reduction. WOW they got massivly improved. Must take at least one in every list.

The Codex reviews are not complete and at least one had mistakes.

I think Knights will be next because we've gotten a leak or two from that DeX before we got leaks from the other two. They showed us the new knight and we just got armigers.

Mandrakes at 16 points and with d3 MW weapons would be ridiculous. Their shooting alone makes them almost as good as Guardians against GEQs and then far better against everything else, with built-in deep strike. Almost nothing does better than them vs T7 3+/4++. You'd see suicide units of them in every Eldar list.