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2018/05/27 16:03:50
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Has there been any consensus on the optimal squad size for guard? I've been running 3x3 for the CP, but feel that effectiveness drops off after the squad suffers a casualty or two.
I've been toying with running squads of 5 to make line troops a bit more beefy, and to maximize strategy use (as three doesn't seem to be the best number for, well, anything). This will also help with deep striking. Does anyone have any recommendations?
I've been running an AM battalion for CP, so happy to make Custodes guard a bit more effective, even at the cost of some CP.
2018/05/27 20:07:17
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Xiboleth wrote: Has there been any consensus on the optimal squad size for guard? I've been running 3x3 for the CP, but feel that effectiveness drops off after the squad suffers a casualty or two.
I've been toying with running squads of 5 to make line troops a bit more beefy, and to maximize strategy use (as three doesn't seem to be the best number for, well, anything). This will also help with deep striking. Does anyone have any recommendations?
I've been running an AM battalion for CP, so happy to make Custodes guard a bit more effective, even at the cost of some CP.
When I eventually do Custodes, I would do x4 in a squad, with one holding a shield and sword.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2018/05/27 22:27:23
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I dunno... There's more room for modeling creativity with the spear than with the two poses you get out of the board.
Yeah..... But 3 of the spear poses are basically the same, and are really difficult to put on.
I have four sword and board guys with vastly different, all great looking poses rather than the more similar spear guard. Also more apparent poses make it easier for me to remember names (yes I did name them all)
Would it be not legal to decide not to include the top knot/mane on Allarus custodians? I think they look dumb, but not gluing them on might be modeling for advantage.
2018/05/29 14:15:55
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Skhmt wrote: Would it be not legal to decide not to include the top knot/mane on Allarus custodians? I think they look dumb, but not gluing them on might be modeling for advantage.
I don't think anyone would call you out on it.
On another note, today I realised just how big the gap is between competitive and casual players: I played a game today against an Eldar player after I had told him what my list was and what everything did and he conceded halfway through turn 2, saying that Custodes are just too tough to be used in casual gaming.
After taking stock of my last few weeks playing Custodes, I'm inclined to agree with him since I've been using a list that you all say isn't competitive because it has a Landraider and not enough bikes; yet I've won 4 competitive games with it and ruined a friendly game with it. Is there anyway of making a Custodes list that is good for friendly games?
Ghorros wrote: The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote: All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
2018/05/29 14:38:09
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Well my 1500 pt list is 2 jetbike captains, 3x3 custodian guard, vexilus with axe and magnifica, and a squad of 7 allarus terminators. It's a decent mix and uses a giant squad of "subpar" terminators. The list has weaknesses, which makes it more friendly. Namely, it's slow, there's no firepower longer than 24" nor higher than s4, and doesn't run a guard battalion for cheap CP churning.
2018/05/29 15:20:08
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
The sheer durability of Custodes makes them fairly difficult to deal with if your opponent doesn't have a good list; I did some math several pages back breaking down just how durable jetbikes are (even without -1 to hit). The "right" kind of firepower to deal with Custodes is high ROF, AP-2, multi-damage attacks OR mortal wound spam (and they need to be fairly cheap too). If your list doesn't have that, you simply can't kill enough of them before they hit your lines and start killing things.
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2018/05/30 08:35:43
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I think one of the new knight with the flamer is going to ruin our day. Especially if the building is rumoured to give max shots. 18 (or even 36 if you can take 2) str7 -2 2dmg will HURT.
And then it can snipe the vexilla out with the missile.
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The flamer will have to be docked to guarantee max shots, no?
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
2018/05/30 08:48:37
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
A knight army is already a serious struggle for an army with so few serious anti tank or mortal wound options. Honestly you're best to just hunker down and mininise engagement for as long as possible. Try to outscore them by sacrificing the occasional obsec unit.
Unless its significanly more expensive though, I forsee the Volcano/plasma cannon variant to be more popular for the average Knight player bringing a TAC list.
2018/05/30 09:31:39
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Skhmt wrote: Would it be not legal to decide not to include the top knot/mane on Allarus custodians? I think they look dumb, but not gluing them on might be modeling for advantage.
I don't think anyone would call you out on it.
On another note, today I realised just how big the gap is between competitive and casual players: I played a game today against an Eldar player after I had told him what my list was and what everything did and he conceded halfway through turn 2, saying that Custodes are just too tough to be used in casual gaming.
After taking stock of my last few weeks playing Custodes, I'm inclined to agree with him since I've been using a list that you all say isn't competitive because it has a Landraider and not enough bikes; yet I've won 4 competitive games with it and ruined a friendly game with it. Is there anyway of making a Custodes list that is good for friendly games?
whats your current list? that said, even at the casual range some lists are better then others.
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2018/05/30 09:46:09
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
If it was his first game with necrons, I don't think that's enough to draw the conclusion "it's hard to make a casual list with Custodes", especially with the mistakes he made.
2018/05/30 15:22:47
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Spartacus wrote: A knight army is already a serious struggle for an army with so few serious anti tank or mortal wound options. Honestly you're best to just hunker down and mininise engagement for as long as possible. Try to outscore them by sacrificing the occasional obsec unit.
Unless its significanly more expensive though, I forsee the Volcano/plasma cannon variant to be more popular for the average Knight player bringing a TAC list.
Unless there are massive points drops in the codex, you’re still probably looking at only 4 knights max in a 2k list. Once you get them down to 3 or less they have a hard time claiming objectives. You don’t have to kill all the knights, just 1 or 2. And I think Custodes can manage that.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2018/05/30 15:33:23
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Hate to say it, but taking a guard battalion for cheap CP and regenerating CP is a very very competitive choice. It's like THE definition of min-max, so much so that if you have the Imperial keyword, you're intentionally making a worse list if you don't spend the less than 200 pts on 5+ CP and 3 more obsec units.
If you want to run casual/friendly games, do pure Custodes.
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