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Mr. Funktastic wrote:
Sagittarum being troops is good for them but now I'm kinda worried about Custodian Guard getting pushed out of the picture.

I think access to Storm Shields will keep the regular Custodian Guard relevant - that 3++ can make such a difference, even if it's just a single shield in a unit.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, does anyone think you could "plays as" regular guard custodes with spears as the Bob Saggit guard?

Want a non-forge world conversion for them?

Take the assault bolter from an Inceptor, remove the shield on the gun and replace it with a bayonet made from a guardian spear.

Well, release is out, the automated distribution platform will pick it up at some point.

changemod wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, does anyone think you could "plays as" regular guard custodes with spears as the Bob Saggit guard?

Want a non-forge world conversion for them?

Take the assault bolter from an Inceptor, remove the shield on the gun and replace it with a bayonet made from a guardian spear.

So, the cost on the store of 81 bucks is for a box of regular guard, with the upgrade sprue of arms, bolter, and stuff. I like that. The upgrade is only about 30 bucks.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

changemod wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, does anyone think you could "plays as" regular guard custodes with spears as the Bob Saggit guard?

Want a non-forge world conversion for them?

Take the assault bolter from an Inceptor, remove the shield on the gun and replace it with a bayonet made from a guardian spear.

So, the cost on the store of 81 bucks is for a box of regular guard, with the upgrade sprue of arms, bolter, and stuff. I like that. The upgrade is only about 30 bucks.

Sagittarum are probably one of the most reasonable kits FW makes, especially when you consider that you can magnetize with the extra parts, or use them for bits which aren't exactly in great supply for a custodes army.

 WindstormSCR wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

changemod wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, does anyone think you could "plays as" regular guard custodes with spears as the Bob Saggit guard?

Want a non-forge world conversion for them?

Take the assault bolter from an Inceptor, remove the shield on the gun and replace it with a bayonet made from a guardian spear.

So, the cost on the store of 81 bucks is for a box of regular guard, with the upgrade sprue of arms, bolter, and stuff. I like that. The upgrade is only about 30 bucks.

Sagittarum are probably one of the most reasonable kits FW makes, especially when you consider that you can magnetize with the extra parts, or use them for bits which aren't exactly in great supply for a custodes army.

Some people object to forge world for a variety of reasons, was just a suggestion in light of that.

Yeah....thinking a fist is a smart choice paired with a cannon

Nobody going to mention the Pallas? Was already pretty good at 100 points flat, and now dropped to 75. Am I nuts or are they a steal now? I have two that I've run a few times and they're very handy.

Nevermind I forgot to add weapon cost in my quick skim of the rules.

Its still 100. The gun is 25 points.

Yeah I forgot about actually arming it.

The Pallas is basically a singular biker. It's ok, but there aren't many situations that are served by adding a Pallas.

If I can take Custodian Guard with Pyrathite Spears for 56 points then surely Codex spears are about 8 points overcosted?

Well we have 3 viable troops choices now that Sagittarum and the special spear guys are now troops, and cheaper, so that's something to be happy about.

I'm thinking Telemons are still good to go desipte the gun nerf (the awesome gun/fist loadout actually got a little cheaper I think). Pallas tanks still solid as ever.

5 ppm extra to Aquilons is an uncomfortable little increase though, those points aren't easy to find in a Custodes list. Finding it even harder to justify them over Wardens now.

I was really hoping to keep S8 on the caladius, ok with a price increase but we just lost a versatile gun platform the codex really needed. Everything costs too much to have dedicated anti-tank AND separate anti-infantry AND anti-elite. Wounding knights on 5s sucks, bad.
My replacement may actually end up being Agmatus bikes with pulse lasers.

Spartacus wrote:
Well we have 3 viable troops choices now that Sagittarum and the special spear guys are now troops, and cheaper, so that's something to be happy about.

I'm thinking Telemons are still good to go desipte the gun nerf (the awesome gun/fist loadout actually got a little cheaper I think). Pallas tanks still solid as ever.

5 ppm extra to Aquilons is an uncomfortable little increase though, those points aren't easy to find in a Custodes list. Finding it even harder to justify them over Wardens now.

Agreed. Aquilon base now cost the same as Allarus base. I guess it’s a case of cool abilities vs better weapons? That 5 points makes a big unit of Aquilon very pricey though.

Was the Achillus Dreadnought always so cheap? I make it 150pts now and it hits hard vs Knights etc.

Achillus was 140 if you took the storm bolters.
I’m in the sky is falling camp, loss of S8 was huge. Even with Trajan re-rolls (but no -1 to hit) accelerator tanks lose to leman russes while being 30 points more expensive, with the new beam gun they can win but cost 50 points more. And they are much worse against the T4 2 wound spam that is coming.

Right, but the Callidus has WAAAAY more things then you are mentioning.

Fly, 14" move, Grav backwash, POTMS, and an Invuln save. So, yeah, it costs more.....but I would put money on the Callidus over the LR everytime.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Right, but the Callidus has WAAAAY more things then you are mentioning.

Fly, 14" move, Grav backwash, POTMS, and an Invuln save. So, yeah, it costs more.....but I would put money on the Callidus over the LR everytime.

The caladius is still good, don’t get me wrong...it’s just not the tank Custodes need anymore. We need high strength shooting and the ability to tear down T7+ at range

The Callidus is now...

4/9ths as effective against T8
1/2 as effective against T7
1/3rd as effective against T5 and T6 many-wound models

It is ONLY as effective against:

T1-3, T5 and T6 models with 1, 2, or 4 wounds and no FNP.

I guess my point is that Custodes rarely try to get things done with shooting. The Callidus and the Telemon were FW aberrations. They all still have GOOD shooting, but we need to stop expecting everything to have Knight level guns. I'm not THAT worried.

The accelerator cannons on the telemon went from 36" to 48" which is significant.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I guess my point is that Custodes rarely try to get things done with shooting. The Callidus and the Telemon were FW aberrations. They all still have GOOD shooting, but we need to stop expecting everything to have Knight level guns. I'm not THAT worried.

I was thinking something similar. It’s almost as if the Caladius changes are to stop Custodes gun lines. We should be in close getting the Emperors work done face to face.

I don’t know about anyone else, but Guard with Pyrithite spears are straight into my list. 6 for 336 points means I have a solution to T8 so long as I can remove any screens etc. Was tempted by them as elites but now as troops I’m sold.

Edit: clarification re: ‘these changes’ meant biggest meta changes being Caladius.

Troops Sagittarum is an odd way to stop gunlines...

changemod wrote:
Troops Sagittarum is an odd way to stop gunlines...

Heavy Bolters aren't remotely good enough to be a gunline that you can sit behind and expect to win the game with.

Well, they are assault 3, hitting on 2s, likely wounding on 3s, so, 9 shots, 8 get through, doing 2 damage each, that's a lot of dead infantry per shooting phase....

Sagitarii weapons in the heavy bolter profile are not damage 2.

Hmm. Saggitarum with misericordia is a pretty good deal and as troops could prove to be exceptional in lower point games where their jack of all trades ability is better.

The this i don't get about the custodes rules.

who in the rules team thought choosing the burst option for the magna-blaze cannon will EVER happen. why, why would anyone ever do that....

why does the Arachnus magna-blaze cannon not have the reroll wounds ability???

 nordsturmking wrote:
The this i don't get about the custodes rules.

who in the rules team thought choosing the burst option for the magna-blaze cannon will EVER happen. why, why would anyone ever do that....

why does the Arachnus magna-blaze cannon not have the reroll wounds ability???

Less damage for more reliability seems reasonable?

Another big change I didn’t catch at first: the flyers are now “Flyers”, not Lords of War.