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 djones520 wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
If they are the Hounds to the Knightly Lord, 2:1 ratio makes sense. 4 of these and 2 knights as a 2000 army?

I'd put my money on 3 for the price of 2. A 2000 point army will have 5 models now, instead of 4.

With the much smaller primary weapons and evident lack of an ion shield, I'd guess the 2-1 ratio is closer.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I do hope to see a few smaller support models, like Sacricians, maybe with a plastic servitor set.

A 5 person plastic servitor box, including one of each HW option (as well as CC/normal servitors) would be a good release.

 Dysartes wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I do hope to see a few smaller support models, like Sacricians, maybe with a plastic servitor set.

A 5 person plastic servitor box, including one of each HW option (as well as CC/normal servitors) would be a good release.

Yes, and they will drop their points cost by 1 and the servo arm by 1 as a "buff" and they will still be 10 points too expensive.

I can't help but look at this and wonder if these are something that crossed back from the new Adeptus Titanicus developments...

 ph34r wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I do hope to see a few smaller support models, like Sacricians, maybe with a plastic servitor set.

A 5 person plastic servitor box, including one of each HW option (as well as CC/normal servitors) would be a good release.

Yes, and they will drop their points cost by 1 and the servo arm by 1 as a "buff" and they will still be 10 points too expensive.

Less bothered by that, ph34r, and more hoping for a non-Finecast set of Servitors

Wonder what other primary weapons might come up with the Armiger?

Kind of hoping thye get some kind of horde slaying Dakka. Though I suppose being able to crack open transports and then tap dance on the contents would be useful?

My gut feeling, looking at the size of the detail on the mini, is that it’s smaller than some people are estimating. I could be very wrong though.

Either way, I really like it.

BrianDavion wrote:
Bezerkers are a "nice to have" but not essential I'd say as they are at least plastic. I think if a world eater player was given a choice between them or a brand new kit (terminator bezerkers) I imagine plenty would tolerate the old 'zerker models, just for example

I agree, especially seeing there is already amazing almost-Berzerker kit, gore-somethings from AoS. Just add CSM backpacks, chainaxes, and bolt pistols, presto, new amazing Berzerkers. Easy.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Not as ridiculous as that level of hyperbole, I fear.

That wasn't hyperbole, tho. After last two years of Chaos getting a megaton of releases and FIVE armies being updated to detriment of everything else demanding yet another Chaos release, especially such nonessential one, just smacks of entitlement. 1:1 mix of CSM/Mk4 kit produces better looking infantry than most armies have, new CSM box would mean the game is now Chaoshammer 40K.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Regardless, how is preferring an older kit be redone than a new kit produced any less valid than preferring one new kit be produced over another new kit, or any other kind of preference?

It's completely invalid because with that kind of attitude GW would never produce anything new, as soon as they finished re-re-re-relasing stuff the first kit to be redone would now be 10+ years old and would need redoing itself. It's the armies with zero kits to fill a slot that need attention, not ones that already have a passable box, especially one that was redone 3 or 4 times in past already, and arguing their needs are equal is ridiculous.

 schoon wrote:
I can't help but look at this and wonder if these are something that crossed back from the new Adeptus Titanicus developments...

I doubt it...however when they announced AT I couldn't help but imagine a lot of Imperial Knights from 40K might get kit-bashed into Imperators, etc. if the scale is close enough.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
My gut feeling, looking at the size of the detail on the mini, is that it’s smaller than some people are estimating. I could be very wrong though.

Either way, I really like it.

I suspect it is about Redemptor size.

 Mattlov wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
My gut feeling, looking at the size of the detail on the mini, is that it’s smaller than some people are estimating. I could be very wrong though.

Either way, I really like it.

I suspect it is about Redemptor size.

Priced somewhere between $65 and $80 USD.

 Irbis wrote:

That wasn't hyperbole, tho. After last two years of Chaos getting a megaton of releases and FIVE armies being updated to detriment of everything else demanding yet another Chaos release, especially such nonessential one, just smacks of entitlement. 1:1 mix of CSM/Mk4 kit produces better looking infantry than most armies have, new CSM box would mean the game is now Chaoshammer 40K.

"It wasn't hyperbole, and here's a ridiculously hyperbolic justification as to why". Also, use of the word "entitlement" to characterise an opinion you disagree with is an automatic fail in my book. Also "you can just convert your own" isn't an argument that supports your view, since it applies equally well to "new stuff". Hell, time was the only way to put a lot of "new stuff" on the table was to convert it yourself.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Regardless, how is preferring an older kit be redone than a new kit produced any less valid than preferring one new kit be produced over another new kit, or any other kind of preference?

It's completely invalid because with that kind of attitude GW would never produce anything new, as soon as they finished re-re-re-relasing stuff the first kit to be redone would now be 10+ years old and would need redoing itself. It's the armies with zero kits to fill a slot that need attention, not ones that already have a passable box, especially one that was redone 3 or 4 times in past already, and arguing their needs are equal is ridiculous.

More complete nonsense, requiring you to willfully ignore the reason why people want kits to be redone. There are plenty of older kits out there that nobody is clamouring to be replaced, because they still look great and fit with the present aesthetic themes of the army. The ones people do want replacements for are either so old they're literally in a different scale than the modern models, or were produced at a time when the faction had a radically different core aesthetic, or are stuck in Finecast limbo, or just have molds so old that they're producing horrible moldline-ridden models that take far longer than they should to prep and assemble. Those are all perfectly reasonable justifications, and the number of kits they cover is nowhere near enough to meet your ridiculous scenario of perpetual recycling with no new content ever.

I think we're done with this one, since I don't see you changing your mind and I'm certainly not going to concede you have any kind of point.
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder what other primary weapons might come up with the Armiger?

Kind of hoping thye get some kind of horde slaying Dakka. Though I suppose being able to crack open transports and then tap dance on the contents would be useful?

Honestly I'd quite like to see them get some kind of mini-Lancer style loadout, or maybe go whole-hog with the whole "they're Warhounds for Knights" thing and give them some kind of projectile grapple-claw weapon or other method of immobilisation that you can combo with a charge from one of the Big Bro Knights to give them a bonus.

 Elbows wrote:

 schoon wrote:
I can't help but look at this and wonder if these are something that crossed back from the new Adeptus Titanicus developments...

I doubt it...however when they announced AT I couldn't help but imagine a lot of Imperial Knights from 40K might get kit-bashed into Imperators, etc. if the scale is close enough.

Hopefully them going plastic for AT means that won't be necessary any more, especially if they set up the core boxed set with a good mix of the three basic Engines and keep the less cost-efficient addon releases for flogging the newshiny classes they've talked about and the AT-scale Knights.

BrianDavion wrote:
Bezerkers are a "nice to have" but not essential I'd say as they are at least plastic. I think if a world eater player was given a choice between them or a brand new kit (terminator bezerkers) I imagine plenty would tolerate the old 'zerker models, just for example

You are aware that the Current plastic Bezerkers are so old that they are out of scale with the whole of the Chaos/Space Marine Range. You can't mix their arms with other c/SM kits because the hands are so out of proportion, the Shoulder pads are slightly different sizes, and even the torsos don't play nice being swapped around with other kits.

Every 40k Khorn player I've talked to desperately wish they could get a new 'zerker kit. I remember a few years ago back in 5th/6th Dakka blowing up just because their was a RUMOUR of new 'zerkers.

I don't even play 'zerkers/khorn, and think they deserve a new kit just as much as noise marines. lol

If we use the Custodes as a gage, we first saw pictures of their HQ back around Thanksgiving (end of November for non-Americans). That gives them a little over two months from sneak-peak to release.

Does that mean we could be buying this new knight sometime around the beginning of April?

 cuda1179 wrote:
If we use the Custodes as a gage, we first saw pictures of their HQ back around Thanksgiving (end of November for non-Americans). That gives them a little over two months from sneak-peak to release.

Does that mean we could be buying this new knight sometime around the beginning of April?

Then again they have hinted stuff in community page that after year still are non-solved(at least nobody has spotted same part!). So it's not so clear cut automatically. They don't automatically sneak "x months" stuff. Could be 2 months, could be 4, 6, 10.

 Lockark wrote:
I don't even play 'zerkers/khorn, and think they deserve a new kit just as much as noise marines. lol

I wouldn't say as much as Noise Marines - NM have never had a plastic kit, and are currently stuck in a plastic/Finecast hybrid.

I'd put Bezerkers in third priority, following a Noise Marine kit and a new basic CSM kit.

 cuda1179 wrote:
If we use the Custodes as a gage, we first saw pictures of their HQ back around Thanksgiving (end of November for non-Americans). That gives them a little over two months from sneak-peak to release.

Does that mean we could be buying this new knight sometime around the beginning of April?

What are the rumors for FOC? Sometime March, after TAU Codex? If so, the new Knight would also be just in time for some new Mechanicum/FW Knight list that will most likely be featured there.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I don't even play 'zerkers/khorn, and think they deserve a new kit just as much as noise marines. lol

I wouldn't say as much as Noise Marines - NM have never had a plastic kit, and are currently stuck in a plastic/Finecast hybrid.

I'd put Bezerkers in third priority, following a Noise Marine kit and a new basic CSM kit.

yeah you can at least BUY Bezerkers.

 cuda1179 wrote:
If we use the Custodes as a gage, we first saw pictures of their HQ back around Thanksgiving (end of November for non-Americans). That gives them a little over two months from sneak-peak to release.

Does that mean we could be buying this new knight sometime around the beginning of April?

I think Death Guard last year were 7 months from sneak peak to release

I recognized the gun on the top - it's a combination of the Kastelan's Phospher Blaster and the Dunecrawlers stubber. Using that I cobbled together a bit of a scale reference. Excuse the sloppy overall half-assed job. Not 100% sure on the size - i used the tip of the gun, tried to scale them to about the same size with a bit of guess work.

Kastelans are about 8 cm from foot to top of their gun, so Im guessing the Armiger will be 11-12ish?



Here's my guess of the scale vs a knight.

Not seeing it Weeble.

Roughly half the size of a knight seems logical to me as well. Smaller would be strange considering there is supposed to be an adult human inside as pilot.
I think they are going to be the size of a Telemon dreadnought.

If SirWeeble is correct, the new Knight Armigers will be the perfect size.

Additional weapons I'd like to see:
Avenger Bolt Cannon for hordes of critters
Lascannon or something more like a smaller Turbo Laser Sniper Cannon? 2 shots, 48", two shots, S8, AP -4, Dd6, roll a 6 to hit, d3 mortal wounds
Lightning Claw/Talon

Of course we'll probably get some kind of 'Snub Nosed Battle Cannon Carbine' with like 18" d3 shots, S6 AP -1 Dd3.

I've always been on the fence about Knight Titans and fielding them as an army. These guys make me want to reconsider that decision. The perfect detachment size in my mind would be one Knight Titan and two Knight Armigers.

More rampant speculation: Armigers that can infiltrate and gain a cover bonus with the Sniper Lascannon would be fantastic!

If this is a result of the forthcoming Titan Titanicus game, then I'm really looking forward to it!

By the way, no one has mentioned Chaos Armigers yet, have they?

It looks like if you scale it about an inch taller, so the top of the hull lines up with bottom of the silver notch in the front carapace in that pic, then the top hatch and melta gun on top line up better in size to the matching parts on the knight.

I hope every weapon isn't just a redux of the regular Knight weapons. I want to see something like a missile launcher or the demolisher cannon. Even using existing weapons is a little lame, but I wouldn't mind the Neutron Laser.

hmm.... I never thought about the Neutron laser being on a small knight. It makes sense in a way though. I like the idea of a "sniper" knight. I could still see them having a 5+ invulnerable.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I hope every weapon isn't just a redux of the regular Knight weapons. I want to see something like a missile launcher or the demolisher cannon. Even using existing weapons is a little lame, but I wouldn't mind the Neutron Laser.

I agree in general, but I don't think it should be a neutron laser. I like it better when armies get to keep some unique weapons(admech in this case).

And while it will be usable by Admech, this is obviously(well mostly obviously) going to be an IK unit, not admech.

I can see them with projectile or thermal based weaponry (melta or flamer), but not energy weapons like lasers, those aren't really a running theme of the main Knights as done by GW, ignoring the FW patterns.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
If we use the Custodes as a gage, we first saw pictures of their HQ back around Thanksgiving (end of November for non-Americans). That gives them a little over two months from sneak-peak to release.

Does that mean we could be buying this new knight sometime around the beginning of April?

I think Death Guard last year were 7 months from sneak peak to release

I did just notice something. Yes, they teased the Death Guard 7 months in advance. However, with the Custodes they added the tag line of "Coming Soon." They added the same "Coming Soon" to the end of the Knight video.

"Soon" is relative though, so that doesn't mean much. 7 months can be soon too.