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Tokhuah wrote: I cannot believe people complain about kids in this thread. The real issue is misanthropic ADULT gamers who think it is cool to swear and talk about sexual stuff they have never experienced while gaming. My wife and kid went into a GW store with me once and were disgusted at the so-called adults. It was literally a hostile environment for families. The positive take-away was that my wife came to a better understanding why gamer culture is generally girlfriend challenged.
Kids can be a handful. But it tends to be some of the adult clientele that are the object lessons for why I'd never want to own a game store. And yeah, I had girlfriends give me the "I want to leave NOW" look in certain stores. Now, my wife generally avoids going in them, but most of the places I frequent these days are a little friendlier, I think.
I'm sure the Cafe will be a friendly place for all ages.
when was the last time you saw kids(someone more than likely less than 17 years old) hanging out in a starbucks or an actual coffee house? personally, never.
GW isn't trying to open a coffee house chain and compete with Starbucks. You do understand that the Cafe will be a Warhammer store first, right? And those most certainly are for kids.
It's going to be a WHW-type hobby hub for North America...about time. I remember this being discussed 12-14 years ago but nothing happened. I'm guessing Chicago for locale due to the hobby base and geographic centricity. Dallas would be my second guess due to their quasi-HQ location there.
Also, I guess I could see the sense of them using their big empty space in Memphis. It's already bought and paid for, but who the hell goes...or wants to go...to Memphis?
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2018/02/02 06:31:30
Subject: Re:Warhammer Cafe, coming to North America.
Also, I guess I could see the sense of them using their big empty space in Memphis. It's already bought and paid for, but who the hell goes...or wants to go...to Memphis?
Well who the feth wants to go to Nottingham?
(sheepishly raises hand)
GW has an idea that their fans will walk across broken glass for their grimdark fix and they may not be wrong.
Tokhuah wrote: I cannot believe people complain about kids in this thread. The real issue is misanthropic ADULT gamers who think it is cool to swear and talk about sexual stuff they have never experienced while gaming. My wife and kid went into a GW store with me once and were disgusted at the so-called adults. It was literally a hostile environment for families. The positive take-away was that my wife came to a better understanding why gamer culture is generally girlfriend challenged.
ChargerIIC wrote: I feel your pain. Seems like there's a whole community of gamers that believe that FLGS should be some kind of safe space for 30 year old males of a certain racial line that don't like differences. Had games interrupted last monday by someone downstairs loudly elucidating why women should be banned from the hobby lest they infect us with their political correctness. I could see the woman manning the register just headdesk quietly.
And everyone on the bus clapped
I hear about these things a lot. Yet in all my years of gaming in several cities across the United States, I've never seen this. And yes, I have doubts. And I almost believe in bigfoot. The nicest way I can say this is that I think you're both leaving out some significant facts, but I've been wrong before. Forgive me if I take what you say with a grain of salt, but believe me when I say that if these instances are as you say- then it says a lot about your gaming community not having the sack to deal with it.
I'll say this, and I don't really worry that it's offensive- I've seen two kinds of people complaining about this thing. Shrieking drama queen outrage fetishists say that gaming is 'hostile to women'. Noodle-armed, stinking, rude gooniebeards that are outright repulsive to the opposite sex complain that 'something' is running off the women (totally not them, though, right?). Meanwhile, every other well-adjusted adult (male, female, and whatever combo you feel like) are just enjoying the games and having fun regardless of our differences.
It's almost as if gaming communities are outright hostile to toxic people that aren't there to play games, but for more sinister purposes. I can honestly say that a lot of the people that come out claiming that gaming has made them feel 'unwelcome' are the exact sort of troublemakers I WANT to feel unwelcome.
Yes, there's pigs and pervs and bigots. If you're seeing this regularly, in truth, you probably need to stop rolling your eyes and nodding silently and DO something.
I complain about kids, primarily the ones that have selfish scumbag parents that don't do parenting, and get buttmad and expect the rest of the establishment to just tolerate it. The kids may not know better, but the 'parent' does. You don't take a mean-ass uncut pit bull to a dog park if he hasn't been properly socialized. I know it sounds awful to compare kids to dogs, but the whole 'you are responsible for the behavior and dealing with it' still stands.
But we've sidetracked.
Siiiiigh..... I understand why you would doubt having not witnessed it personally, but to be fair it's not like it's an everyday constant occurrence in most game stores. I would anecdotally know having worked retail for nearly two decades half of that being in game stores. Let me tell you.....I have seen some dumb gak. Don't get me wrong, like 80%+ of the people I've encountered are perfectly well adjusted human beings and behave in a totally socially acceptable manner. Of the remaining lets just say 20% for the sake of ease of argument a good 19% of those people are just socially awkward and really just need someone to take them aside and tell them that some of their behaviors are inappropriate (looking at you guy who joins every conversation including personal ones or invades the personal space of everyone in the store) or just give them some good friendly advice on social skills as they seem to just lack experience with it.
However that last 1% or so......jesus christ they are exactly what people make them out to be, you can choose to believe some of my favorite examples or not...but they all happened.
Had to permanently ban a man in a frigging triby from the store walking up to a female customer who was minding her own business painting skaven, grabbing her by the hand and introducing himself by kissing her hand and saying M'lady (This is the one I most wish I made up.....god damn moment of stunned silence before I literally dragged him out and told him he was never welcome again in the store)
Had a guy walk up to a female customer was painting her Tyranid army that she'd lovingly converted into some kinda like candyland of bright colors, rainbows and sparkles and then painted it beautifully and tell her "That's pretty good for a girl" Meanwhile his 'army' is sitting there with a coat of the cheapest and most sloppily applied gold toll with the bare plastic showing through everywhere. (Her Tervigon was spitting out mutant cupcakes....it was awesome)
Asked a man to leave after he came into the store smelling like an open sewer pipe..... it was bad enough that one of the other employees gagged from over 15 feet away....I can not describe to you the smell....take the smell of a major out door concert's port-a-potty on a hot summers day and crank it up to 11 and maybe you'll have an idea.
Had to ban an 18 year old man after he lost in a tournament to a 12 year old because he tried to force the kid to follow him outside for a fight.
Had to ban a guy for constantly walking by a female customer one day and 'sniffing' her.
I've also heard the innumerable conversations about how women aren't real hobbyists, inappropriate sexual talk, invading the personal space of female customers, leering and all kinds of god damn behaviours that entirely reinforce why many potential female games have no interest in being anywhere near a game store. The ones I've worked in had strict policies in place to deal with this and I've given many a warning, kicked many an ass out and banned either permanently or for substantial amounts of time a fair few people. I've also been in stores that don't do this and in many cases they wind up being exactly that stereotype. So yeah, I'm glad you've not run into the issue yourself....but it unfortunately does happen.
Also, as a different side note..... the feeling of having to deal with a man who comes into a game store asking for company catalogs because he's legally required to use a text only browser and have no legal reason to boot him from your store as he spends hours 'browsing' is f***ing awful.
And if you don't why only being legally allowed to use a text only browser is a problem....think harder.
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Tokhuah wrote: I cannot believe people complain about kids in this thread. The real issue is misanthropic ADULT gamers who think it is cool to swear and talk about sexual stuff they have never experienced while gaming. My wife and kid went into a GW store with me once and were disgusted at the so-called adults. It was literally a hostile environment for families. The positive take-away was that my wife came to a better understanding why gamer culture is generally girlfriend challenged.
Hilarious. People call gamers "entitled", but we've got nothing on parents. Cinemas, restaurants, shops - there is no public venue they don't feel entitled to demand is made PG13 at all times just in case they decide to drag their sprogs in with them, no public activity they won't insist is theirs to ruin with squalling, smearing, hyperactive spawn that everyone else just has to put up with. There need to be many, many more places with "a hostile environment for families", and I've met plenty of women who'd agree wholeheartedly(but nice work there, trying to chuck in a sly backhand about gamers driving away women with their attitudes while implying that the primary considerations for a woman are keeping conversation chaste and ensuring a safe environment for children ).
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Thebiggesthat wrote: Anyone making comment on the prices should take a trip down if they can, you'll be very surprised.
After my deployment, I'm taking a trip to the UK. I'd like to see Warhammer World and confirm or refute everything I've heard, but I'd need something else to do in Nottingham. Pubs? Diners? Amusement? As I understand, it's not really worth the trip out there, but I haven't looked at transportation time and cost.
Orktavius wrote: Siiiiigh..... I understand why you would doubt having not witnessed it personally, but to be fair it's not like it's an everyday constant occurrence in most game stores. I would anecdotally know having worked retail for nearly two decades half of that being in game stores. Let me tell you.....I have seen some dumb gak. Don't get me wrong, like 80%+ of the people I've encountered are perfectly well adjusted human beings and behave in a totally socially acceptable manner. Of the remaining lets just say 20% for the sake of ease of argument a good 19% of those people are just socially awkward and really just need someone to take them aside and tell them that some of their behaviors are inappropriate (looking at you guy who joins every conversation including personal ones or invades the personal space of everyone in the store) or just give them some good friendly advice on social skills as they seem to just lack experience with it.
There's no shortage of socially maladjusted people in gaming, or any other social hobby/interest. 99% of my experience with the maladjusted is that they are, in fact, usually mentally ill or simply unaware of their social issues. Most of the time, you just tap them on the shoulder and tell them how they're causing an issue. It's generally the same approach to the guy that smells like armpit, feet, and butthole. Because it's usually the same guy.
Orktavius wrote: However that last 1% or so......jesus christ they are exactly what people make them out to be, you can choose to believe some of my favorite examples or not...but they all happened.
And yes, there's always the 1%. Don't get me wrong, they're annoying and awful. But they're 1%, and my personal opinion if 1% of your community is toxic and it's causing you significant grief- your community is full of wimps for letting 1% of it be scummy. It's hardly an epidemic, and the overwhelming majority of people complaining and screaming about how these terrible people are making gaming 'hostile' are looking for sympathy and not solutions. Never once have I seen a 'woe is me, pity me [link to patreon]' blogger, poster, or ranter provide names of the establishments that supposedly house these terrible cesspools of woman-hating neckbeards.
Orktavius wrote: Had to permanently ban a man in a frigging triby from the store walking up to a female customer who was minding her own business painting skaven, grabbing her by the hand and introducing himself by kissing her hand and saying M'lady (This is the one I most wish I made up.....god damn moment of stunned silence before I literally dragged him out and told him he was never welcome again in the store)
Was he trolling IRL, or did the cosmos align just right and you get a naturally occurring trillby-tipper? This is like finding a unicorn these days, I'm impressed. Based on this alone, you should have hurled a rock at him on the way out. THESE guys (half of them are feminists, half of them are pigs, all of them are incels that are waaaay too thirsty) are a blight.
Orktavius wrote: Had a guy walk up to a female customer was painting her Tyranid army that she'd lovingly converted into some kinda like candyland of bright colors, rainbows and sparkles and then painted it beautifully and tell her "That's pretty good for a girl" Meanwhile his 'army' is sitting there with a coat of the cheapest and most sloppily applied gold toll with the bare plastic showing through everywhere. (Her Tervigon was spitting out mutant cupcakes....it was awesome)
Well it sounds hilariously girlish, in the best way. 10/10 on creativity.
Orktavius wrote: Asked a man to leave after he came into the store smelling like an open sewer pipe..... it was bad enough that one of the other employees gagged from over 15 feet away....I can not describe to you the smell....take the smell of a major out door concert's port-a-potty on a hot summers day and crank it up to 11 and maybe you'll have an idea.
We had that guy come into my shop. Take the aforementioned porta-potty scent, but now it's a porta-potty on a FOB in Afghanistan. If you closed your eyes, you could almost see the penises drawn on the green wall... But these sorts are usually mentally ill, and I've no issue saying "Dude you need to go home and take a shower and change clothes before you come in. We're open until 10."
Orktavius wrote: Had to ban an 18 year old man after he lost in a tournament to a 12 year old because he tried to force the kid to follow him outside for a fight.
"Man"
Orktavius wrote: Had to ban a guy for constantly walking by a female customer one day and 'sniffing' her.
If she smelled like cookies, I'd forgive him. If he was just sniffing her, that's... probably some kind of moron. Good on you.
Orktavius wrote: I've also heard the innumerable conversations about how women aren't real hobbyists, inappropriate sexual talk, invading the personal space of female customers, leering and all kinds of god damn behaviours that entirely reinforce why many potential female games have no interest in being anywhere near a game store. The ones I've worked in had strict policies in place to deal with this and I've given many a warning, kicked many an ass out and banned either permanently or for substantial amounts of time a fair few people. I've also been in stores that don't do this and in many cases they wind up being exactly that stereotype. So yeah, I'm glad you've not run into the issue yourself....but it unfortunately does happen.
I've seen conversations why specific women aren't real hobbyists. And many times, they're right. Had a small group of girls, most of them late teens (oldest was 19, I believe?)- they did very little other than come in and hang out. Which was fine, until they started bringing in more friends and we had this mob of high school kids that were just there to sit at the tables and play on their phones. We had customers coming in to work on models and play games, then leave because the place was full of actual non-gamers. When the drama started (and it usually does with high school kids), we had to ask them to take their gathering elsewhere (as customers, I wasn't working there). Of course we got accused of not wanting female gamers around, but the owner and his spouse quickly debunked this by asking them what games they were playing and what they purchased... which was nothing.
But as far as the 'we don't want girls around' thing goes, I'll chock that up to being one of the urban legends. Just because one drama queen troublemaker has an issue, she likes to throw up the 'you just hate women!' thing. I don't tolerate a veteran creating a problem and shielding himself with 'you hate veterans', why would I tolerate it from some outrage-junkie?
Orktavius wrote: And if you don't why only being legally allowed to use a text only browser is a problem....think harder.
I know exactly why. I also like the fact that where I live, you can refuse service to anyone for any reason (but be prepared to reap the whirlwind if you're being a bigot about it). And we HAVE to look at the local registry for events when children are around. None of those individuals are welcome in the store to do anything other than purchase a product and leave.
Yodhrin wrote: Hilarious. People call gamers "entitled", but we've got nothing on parents. Cinemas, restaurants, shops - there is no public venue they don't feel entitled to demand is made PG13 at all times just in case they decide to drag their sprogs in with them, no public activity they won't insist is theirs to ruin with squalling, smearing, hyperactive spawn that everyone else just has to put up with. There need to be many, many more places with "a hostile environment for families", and I've met plenty of women who'd agree wholeheartedly(but nice work there, trying to chuck in a sly backhand about gamers driving away women with their attitudes while implying that the primary considerations for a woman are keeping conversation chaste and ensuring a safe environment for children ).
Concur, to a degree.
A few years ago there was a popular Wings & Beer place I would frequent on the weekend to 'reward' myself with a beer and wings. The patio allowed smoking, so that's where I'd sit with a cigar and a drink.
A woman shows up with a small squad of sprogs- one of them still a baby and it's screaming because, well, it's 10 PM. Plants down with her kids, and then proceeds to fan herself and mock a cough. Then, LOUDLY, she tells the server "Can you do something about that disgusting cigar over there? I have children".
"I sure can, ma'am." She then took their menus and directed them to the door to the inside area. The lady had a tantrum, took her children and left. I tipped that ballsy server girl at least $15.00.
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Tokhuah wrote: I cannot believe people complain about kids in this thread. The real issue is misanthropic ADULT gamers who think it is cool to swear and talk about sexual stuff they have never experienced while gaming. My wife and kid went into a GW store with me once and were disgusted at the so-called adults. It was literally a hostile environment for families. The positive take-away was that my wife came to a better understanding why gamer culture is generally girlfriend challenged.
Kids can be a handful. But it tends to be some of the adult clientele that are the object lessons for why I'd never want to own a game store. And yeah, I had girlfriends give me the "I want to leave NOW" look in certain stores. Now, my wife generally avoids going in them, but most of the places I frequent these days are a little friendlier, I think.
I'm sure the Cafe will be a friendly place for all ages.
when was the last time you saw kids(someone more than likely less than 17 years old) hanging out in a starbucks or an actual coffee house? personally, never.
Don't move to the bay area. I've seen elementary age kids stop by on their way to school. They don't just haunt respectable places like the liqour stores we grew up with.
Bender wrote:* Realise that despite the way people talk, this is not a professional sport played by demi gods, but rather a game of toy soldiers played by tired, inebriated human beings.
I agree with Adeptus Doritos, the problem of "Omg gamers hate women" is not that theres a significant amount that is like that.
The problem is that gamers (At least here in Spain, maybe as in USA many gamers are ex-militaries its different), when confronted with the rare dude that is just a pig, don't have the balls to call him out for that.
But I think thats changing, "nerds" arent those dungeon dwellers from the 80's anymore that don't know how to talk to girls. When I go to a store I see everything, from well formed adults to "cool" teenagers, etc... people that know how to andle social interactions. People that can comfront a toxic (And I'm using toxic here in the correct and non political based way) individual.
Well, and lets not make of this a "nerd" problem. Has anyone entered a sport-bet bar? THOSE are unwelcoming enviroments.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
A few years ago there was a popular Wings & Beer place I would frequent on the weekend to 'reward' myself with a beer and wings. The patio allowed smoking, so that's where I'd sit with a cigar and a drink.
A woman shows up with a small squad of sprogs- one of them still a baby and it's screaming because, well, it's 10 PM. Plants down with her kids, and then proceeds to fan herself and mock a cough. Then, LOUDLY, she tells the server "Can you do something about that disgusting cigar over there? I have children".
"I sure can, ma'am." She then took their menus and directed them to the door to the inside area. The lady had a tantrum, took her children and left. I tipped that ballsy server girl at least $15.00.
Hoo man, those gits. If there's one thing I don't miss about smoking, it's having to deal with people like that - I had one such parent go nutso at me for smoking a cigarette outside on a bridge in Edinburgh, Scotland on a windy day, while entirely downwind of them and over 10 feet away. Like, so windy you couldn't even see the smoke I was exhaling it was being whipped away so fast; Edinburgh windy. But yeah, stuff like that is what I'm on about.
Now, if you go into a venue that explicitly caters to families, rather than a place that simply allows families to enter along with everyone else on the planet, you absolutely have an obligation to behave in a certain way, otherwise people chucking a hissy over swear words or adult humour because it might offend the ears of their kiddiewinks need to hire a babysitter.
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Even if tobacco smoke triggers problems for me, even I know not to go to a smoke friendly establishment and try to force them to go smokeless. Bit daft and rude for what the clientele already expect.
It's certainly a bit much.
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The only times I have ask a smoker to stop smoking in a polite manner is when we are waiting the bus in a bus stop, full of people, crowded because is raining. But normally I just try to put myself as separated as possible from the individual that is smoking.
And yeah, I go to smoke-free places. I wouldn't enter one were smoke is allowed to tell them to stop doing it.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
This line of discussion is not really news or rumors or discussion of news or rumors. Maybe general talk about bad gamer behavior or kids in gaming stores or smoking should not be in a news and rumor thread.
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Galas wrote: I agree with Adeptus Doritos, the problem of "Omg gamers hate women" is not that theres a significant amount that is like that.
The problem is that gamers (At least here in Spain, maybe as in USA many gamers are ex-militaries its different), when confronted with the rare dude that is just a pig, don't have the balls to call him out for that.
The issue at hand is, if I go into a place and start acting like a jerk... people are going to get back in my face, run me out, or shun me. If I say, "gamers hate veterans", it's not really true. That seems to be what happens, and I call it 'shielding'.
And yes, it's difficult to find a FLGS full of veterans and active guys and find someone being an outright pig. Chances are, you're mouthing off to a vet's daughter or spouse... and you might have a difficult time and a significantly life-altering emotional event. If anything, in all the veteran-saturated places I've gamed people tend to be overprotective and extremely polite to the ladies- to a point where I've seen 40-something gamers call a 19 year old 'ma'am' every time she addressed him. But then again, the ladies we play with tend to not be such a delicate sort and can talk trash and throw down in a game better than a lot of the dudes (and they usually paint better).
Galas wrote: But I think thats changing, "nerds" arent those dungeon dwellers from the 80's anymore that don't know how to talk to girls.
This, exactly this. And the thing is, the whole "You're a loser basement-dwelling virgin" thing was a dead and disproven stereotype in the early 90's. The people who resort to that statement as the go-to insult make me question their credibility. If you think nerds are basement-dwelling loser virgins, then you're apparently not doing much social gaming.
Now, to the actual topic of the thread, because like this guy said:
Albino Squirrel wrote: This line of discussion in not really new or rumors or discussion of news or rumors. Maybe general talk about bad gamer behavior or kids in gaming stores or smoking should not be in a news and rumor thread.
And even though he's not an authority at all, he's still right. Even though I'm not finding his contributions to the discussion.
So I can merge this topic into the one at hand.
The problem I'm concerned with is that this cafe' may become a kid dumping ground. In the area where I grew up, anything that was 'kid-friendly' tended to be where parents dumped off their teens at noon and picked up late at night. The mall, any arcade/gaming/recreation centers, comic shops, bookstores, etc. This doesn't sound like a big deal at face value, but it does deter some people. I mean, all of our gaming stores in this area don't carry Yu-Gi-Oh because it brought in too many teenagers... and merch would vanish, models were getting snagged up, and it's actually a lot easier to deal with a troublesome adult than it is a troublesome teenager that goes crying to a parent that thinks their baby is an innocent little angel.
On the other hand, some of the kids that come into our FLGS have loaded parents and I've seen a kid walk in with his mom and she spent nearly $700.00 on 40k stuff for him like it was pocket change. The teenagers that we want to come in are usually pretty well-behaved, the only issues we've had is when they bring in friends and those friends bring in friends and they don't really do anything but take up table space.
Teens will gravitate to anything that will host them, and while I HOPE this brings about new gamers... I certainly hope the location they choose is chosen wisely. If it's anything like where they place some FLGS and even Games Workshop stores in the US... well, it's not going to work well. In some cities I've been to or lived in, I didn't go to the FLGS after dark. Contrary to all you non-US people hear about the country, the entire place isn't a war zone with guns going off everywhere. There's more problems in the major metropolis cities, and you do your best to avoid the problem areas if you can. Sadly, a lot of stores end up right in or right beside the scummiest areas. No one wants to bring a family there.
I do, however, hope they have a massive beast of a coffee- an obscenely large quantity with like 5 shots of espresso in it. Name this sucker the 'Necron Awakening' or 'The Emperor's Choice' and you've got my business.
Hell, we REALLY need to start thinking of creative coffee drink names...
White Chocolate Moritat
Tau Latte'
Impericano
Exterminatus Espresso
Tallarn blend
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I wouldn't worry about that too much. I mean warhammer world is generally known as a cool place for gamers and its been running the same model for years.
Bender wrote:* Realise that despite the way people talk, this is not a professional sport played by demi gods, but rather a game of toy soldiers played by tired, inebriated human beings.
ChargerIIC wrote: I wouldn't worry about that too much. I mean warhammer world is generally known as a cool place for gamers and its been running the same model for years.
Yeah. But Warhammer World isn't on Thug Street in Big-City USA.
Eventually, Trailer Park Ted and Ghetto Gary are going to see how much maniacs like us spend on this hobby and realize that it's a good place to go and roll up some nerds and take their stuff and cash.
And I only say that because generally speaking, Trailer Park Ted and Ghetto Gary don't think too much. They're criminal predators and that's how they roll. If they were thinking people, they'd see how much we spend on little plastic war toys and come to the conclusion that we are completely out of our minds and realize that it's a bad idea to mess with people this unhinged.
Eventually, Trailer Park Ted and Ghetto Gary are going to see how much maniacs like us spend on this hobby and realize that it's a good place to go and roll up some nerds and take their stuff and cash.
And I only say that because generally speaking, Trailer Park Ted and Ghetto Gary don't think too much. They're criminal predators and that's how they roll. If they were thinking people, they'd see how much we spend on little plastic war toys and come to the conclusion that we are completely out of our minds and realize that it's a bad idea to mess with people this unhinged.
I'm not sure they're even that smart. plus my ccw will take care of them.
2018/02/03 01:38:19
Subject: Re:Warhammer Cafe, coming to North America.
Tokhuah wrote: I cannot believe people complain about kids in this thread. The real issue is misanthropic ADULT gamers who think it is cool to swear and talk about sexual stuff they have never experienced while gaming. My wife and kid went into a GW store with me once and were disgusted at the so-called adults. It was literally a hostile environment for families. The positive take-away was that my wife came to a better understanding why gamer culture is generally girlfriend challenged.
Kids can be a handful. But it tends to be some of the adult clientele that are the object lessons for why I'd never want to own a game store. And yeah, I had girlfriends give me the "I want to leave NOW" look in certain stores. Now, my wife generally avoids going in them, but most of the places I frequent these days are a little friendlier, I think.
I'm sure the Cafe will be a friendly place for all ages.
when was the last time you saw kids(someone more than likely less than 17 years old) hanging out in a starbucks or an actual coffee house? personally, never.
Don't move to the bay area. I've seen elementary age kids stop by on their way to school. They don't just haunt respectable places like the liqour stores we grew up with.
I am from the beach cities of southern california, literally a block from the ocean, walking distance. ^ this isnt a thing here
shinros wrote: The coffee should have great names. This is a perfect opportunity!
Look, son, you ain't even worth a damn unless you can drink an EXTERMINATUS.
Fun fact, "Green Beans" is a coffee shop on military bases. They have a 'MOAC' (similar in name to the MOAB).
Mother Of All Coffees.
They as, "Are you sure, sir?" when they serve you this 5-shots of espresso bladder-busting monstrosity that will have you so awake you will smell the color of dead terrorists.
Thebiggesthat wrote: Anyone making comment on the prices should take a trip down if they can, you'll be very surprised.
After my deployment, I'm taking a trip to the UK. I'd like to see Warhammer World and confirm or refute everything I've heard, but I'd need something else to do in Nottingham. Pubs? Diners? Amusement? As I understand, it's not really worth the trip out there, but I haven't looked at transportation time and cost.
For what it's worth I was just there. It was about 50UKP round trip and 2 hours each way from London. I left London around 10am, came back after 8pm. So if it's a one day trip Warhammer World could easily take the whole time there. Besides the shops there's a nice display area (7UKP to enter) and Bugmans for food and refreshments.
There are a few other gaming Meccas there, Mantic has a store, as does Wargames Foundry, check the Store Locator. I didn't get to either but they could be worth building in to your trip.
Downtown is under redevelopment which meant almost everything was closed around the station. But there's a castle and museum nearby (10~15 minute walk) and a nice High Street shopping area. But by 6pm almost everything was closed.
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Thebiggesthat wrote: Anyone making comment on the prices should take a trip down if they can, you'll be very surprised.
After my deployment, I'm taking a trip to the UK. I'd like to see Warhammer World and confirm or refute everything I've heard, but I'd need something else to do in Nottingham. Pubs? Diners? Amusement? As I understand, it's not really worth the trip out there, but I haven't looked at transportation time and cost.
For what it's worth I was just there. It was about 50UKP round trip and 2 hours each way from London. I left London around 10am, came back after 8pm. So if it's a one day trip Warhammer World could easily take the whole time there. Besides the shops there's a nice display area (7UKP to enter) and Bugmans for food and refreshments.
There are a few other gaming Meccas there, Mantic has a store, as does Wargames Foundry, check the Store Locator. I didn't get to either but they could be worth building in to your trip.
Downtown is under redevelopment which meant almost everything was closed around the station. But there's a castle and museum nearby (10~15 minute walk) and a nice High Street shopping area. But by 6pm almost everything was closed.
Unfortunately for us, only abut 5% (total guess) of our country is within a 2 hour trip. If they did Memphis I'd visit it. Any of the other likely locations, probably wouldn't happen. California for me is just as far away as Nottingham for all intents and purposes.
Tokhuah wrote: I cannot believe people complain about kids in this thread. The real issue is misanthropic ADULT gamers who think it is cool to swear and talk about sexual stuff they have never experienced while gaming. My wife and kid went into a GW store with me once and were disgusted at the so-called adults. It was literally a hostile environment for families. The positive take-away was that my wife came to a better understanding why gamer culture is generally girlfriend challenged.
Kids can be a handful. But it tends to be some of the adult clientele that are the object lessons for why I'd never want to own a game store. And yeah, I had girlfriends give me the "I want to leave NOW" look in certain stores. Now, my wife generally avoids going in them, but most of the places I frequent these days are a little friendlier, I think.
I'm sure the Cafe will be a friendly place for all ages.
when was the last time you saw kids(someone more than likely less than 17 years old) hanging out in a starbucks or an actual coffee house? personally, never.
Don't move to the bay area. I've seen elementary age kids stop by on their way to school. They don't just haunt respectable places like the liqour stores we grew up with.
I am from the beach cities of southern california, literally a block from the ocean, walking distance. ^ this isnt a thing here
Well i'm guessing he was taking about the bay area. Speaking as a person who lives in the bay area and works at a Starbucks I can say kids and teenagers do hang out in and outside the store. But most of the time their a small group of around 2 to 5 of them and don't cause much trouble for the customers.
Thebiggesthat wrote: Anyone making comment on the prices should take a trip down if they can, you'll be very surprised.
After my deployment, I'm taking a trip to the UK. I'd like to see Warhammer World and confirm or refute everything I've heard, but I'd need something else to do in Nottingham. Pubs? Diners? Amusement? As I understand, it's not really worth the trip out there, but I haven't looked at transportation time and cost.
For what it's worth I was just there. It was about 50UKP round trip and 2 hours each way from London. I left London around 10am, came back after 8pm. So if it's a one day trip Warhammer World could easily take the whole time there. Besides the shops there's a nice display area (7UKP to enter) and Bugmans for food and refreshments.
There are a few other gaming Meccas there, Mantic has a store, as does Wargames Foundry, check the Store Locator. I didn't get to either but they could be worth building in to your trip.
Downtown is under redevelopment which meant almost everything was closed around the station. But there's a castle and museum nearby (10~15 minute walk) and a nice High Street shopping area. But by 6pm almost everything was closed.
Did you miss the National Video Game Museum??
I loves Nottinghams, me. If I could remote work, I'd be there in a shot.
Also, Station recently had a major refit, followed by an equally major fire!
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Thebiggesthat wrote: Anyone making comment on the prices should take a trip down if they can, you'll be very surprised.
Just don't go in the GW side of the shop, I've never seen staff drilled for the hard sale more than there, it's awful.
Am I missing something? AFAIK There's literally one entrance into Warhammer World and you have to go through the GW store.
There used to be a direct door into Bugmans, behind the toilets, I think it allowed the bar to stay open longer than the gaming hall.
But then, I haven't been in since the refurb was in progress. It wouldn't surprise me if they've changed it so you need to go in via the store, since the opening hours became a lot more store-like than bar-like.
They ask, "Are you sure, sir?" when they serve you this 5-shots of espresso bladder-busting monstrosity that will have you so awake you will smell the color of dead terrorists.
Sigged. That's brilliant.
Bender wrote:* Realise that despite the way people talk, this is not a professional sport played by demi gods, but rather a game of toy soldiers played by tired, inebriated human beings.
We’ve got a quick update for you today on the Warhammer Cafe.
Since we announced the Cafe last week, we’ve been inundated with emails and Facebook messages asking us where exactly this great new Warhammer venue will be making its home. Well, you need wonder no longer.
The Warhammer Cafe will be located in Grapevine, Texas.
We thought long and hard about where to open the first Warhammer Cafe, and Grapevine ticked a lot of boxes. For one, there’s a fantastic Warhammer community already in Texas, and we thought they could make great use of a hub for their hobby activity. For another, Grapevine is superbly connected to the rest of Texas – particularly Austin, Dallas and Fort Worth – and indeed, most importantly, to the rest of North America, thanks to the Dallas Fort Worth International Airport. Chances are, wherever you are in the United States, you’ll only be a short hop away.
Next up, we need an exceptional manager to run the venue – and the hunt begins today! If you think you’ve got what it takes to run the greatest Warhammer venue in all of North America, then check out the ad and drop us an application.
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Now, my wife generally avoids going in them, but most of the places I frequent these days are a little friendlier, I think.
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