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I think we might see another film exploring Crimson Dawn.
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Beckett killed Sing, Lando was grateful as he owed her money
I think we'll definitely see more of the former Shadow Collective - Pyke Syndicate, Crimson Dawn, Black Sun and The Hutt Clan (Death Watch and the Nightbrothers should be pretty much gone at this stage) and it would fit into a greater narrative like a bounty hunters/Boba Fett film. If they do Black Sun I wonder if they'll officially bring back Prince Xizor in the Legends stories he and Vader had a good few run ins for the Emperors attention.
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I saw the movie yesterday. I think I overall enjoyed it, perhaps because I went in with low expectations. It will not shape the new centuries of cinema to come but it's not bad. I think the whole Disney corporate hate story that has grown around the internet will take this movie's ratings lower than it actually deserves. A list of pros and cons below - CONTAINS SPOILERS.
And because someone asked: My order of preference: Rogue One > Solo > The Last Jedi.
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Pros:
The Han actor is in fact good. I expected him to flunk it from the trailers, but in fact he was not bad. He was able to give out the overconfident bs-talker character of Solo quite well. On the other hand, that's the only aspect of Solo he showed. I would prefer to also see a little bit of half witted, scruffy looking nerfherder or a couple of "excuuuuuuse me princess" self pride moments but we did not get those.
Woody Harrelson plays -as usually- great and gives us a great kind of dysfanctional-yet-important mentor figure for Han's character development. A kind of example to avoid and inspire at the same time. It was very scoundrel-y and I enjoyed it a lot. If I had such teachers, I would probably grow to be a scoundrel myself.
Great way to introduce the Han/Chewie meeting moment.
We get to see the Kessel run!
Cons:
We get to see the Kessel run. As in, a CGI created fog labyrinth where you have to choose between flying the Falcon through the fog or flying the Falcon in complete darkness save for a couple of moments of thunder lighting up the background. So in the end we did not really get to see the Kessel run, even if it happened.
The writing was meh. Leaving the theater I only really remember the moments where they connected with the canon movies (Angry droid complains "They don't even serve our kind here."
Robot revolution for freedom takes up too much attention, then ends completely abruptly with no consequence whatsoever. Here's 5 mins of robot revolution but don't worry, it will not be in the final exams.
The scenes were not connected at all. In the bar/casino where Han meets Lando, we see there is a singer singing, we see there is a cage for robot fights and we see there is a gambling table, but all these things could be in completely different buildings and it would be just as believable. We never saw this as one place, the camera never panned out to show the bigger picture. Same when the Falcon is in the Maelstorm. There's just the Falcon in a fog tunnel. No sense of scale or continuity or linking of the scenes. There could be video game loading screens between the Maelstorm and Kessel and it would make more sense.
Solo is very good and you are likely doing yourself a great disfavor if you don't go see it in theaters. It is much closer to Rogue One in quality than TFA/TLJ.
Important note, it is set about 10 years prior to the main events in Rogue One.
Quick rundown: The lead captures a young Han Solo extremely well. He doesn't sound exactly like him, but it's much better than what the trailers suggested. Donal Glover is Lando. I don't know how he did it. There are times when he sounds identical to Billy Dee Williams. Emilia Clarke actually acts, which may surprise people who saw her in Terminator. Her role suits her and does help the movie.
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Saw it today. Thought it was a lot of fun. I think the non-Saga Disney SW films are doing just fine. Rogue 1 is still superior (to this and to the new Saga films), but this was a nice entry and told an interesting story with a number of pacing problems (too fast at the start, too slow at the end).
Good performances all round (well, passable from Clarke, but she doesn't have much range so what she did was enough), lots of great action, some genuine funny moments (unlike TLJ's Marvel quip humour), and quite gritty in some areas, showing parts of the SW universe we haven't seen much of (criminal organisations and slavery).
And, of course...
Spoiler:
There's the Maul of it all.
That scene alone makes Qi'ra one of the most interesting SW characters around, and makes me desperate to see more of her story and how it all ties in with Maul.
Manchu wrote: TBH there is no reason to trust any review of this film that appears before general release.
Why? Most reviews appear before general release.
Yodhrin wrote: One thing to bear in mind with fan reviews for Solo, as opposed to TLJ, is there's a much stronger contingent of "#NotMyHan" types, people who insist there is no Solo but Ford and the basic existence of the film is a travesty, but will still go and see it just to grumble over exactly how much of a travesty.
Which makes about as much sense as a #NotMyObiwan for the prequels IMO.
I saw the movie yesterday, I actually liked rogue 1 and hated TLJ as it is the worst star wars film made to date.
Solo surprised me, for all it's problems in development it was a decent action movie. I'd watch it again. But like all action movies, if we didn't already know the cast we'd have forgetton most of the names by now. the kessel run didn't seem anywhere near as impressive and only Han seemed impressed by it. No one else even took notice, so it's weird some random girl on some backwards desert planet would even know of if it decades later.
Do we still need spoiler tags?
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knowing maul spent time on mandalore and it's still canon, I'm thinking the fette movie and obi wan movies might be some sort of side trilogy with maul as the main bad guy. Looks like everyone is going to tat to meet a man about a job, I'm betting the man is fette, because he's the man
Just back from seeing it. Good, enjoyable movie that again opens up the wider Star Wars universe. And considering the problems it had in production I think they recovered it phenomenally. I still think Rogue One is the best Disney era one to date but this is a very close second.
Isn’t it interesting that they can make good Star Wars movies when the basic story has already been outlined for them? How did the alliance get the plans for the Death Star, how did Han start off etc. But ask them to carry the story forward and you get either derivative sameness or subvertive nonsense.
Need to say too,
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those ‘mud troopers’. Fantastic. Brilliant. So...Imperial Guard. These are the fabled ‘Imperial Army’ troopers we’ve often heard of but never seen right? The regular grunts to the stormtrooper elites yes?
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Yes, we still need spoiler tags. For one, the thread has no spoiler warning, and for another, not all of us can get to see it opening weekend. I've got to wait until I can find a quiet daytime showing that the cinema hasn't earmarked for one of those awful "mother and baby" showings.
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Yep. The film has only been out for four days in the UK. I think it's best to keep spoiler tags until the cinema run ends.
To go back to the discussion, it's reasonable to assume that since every pilot in the Galaxy knows the Kessel Run can't be done in under 20 parsecs, Han Solo would have done a ton of boasting between the time of Solo and SW4 about doing it in 12 parsecs, and his reputation might easily have spread to gak hole desert scavengers in another 20 years after that, especially if they were the kind of people who were interested in off-planet doings.
Sorry, I broke the swear filter again. I seem to be good at that.
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I'd say that's standard with Disney now commit to at least 3 films whether they intend on using you or not.
If it under performs and early indications are are it is there might not be a direct sequel. But news is going around that the next film is a Boba Fett film directed by James Mangold.
All of the characters from Solo would fit right into that movie and looks like they are setting up at least a trilogy set in the criminal underworld of the Star Wars universe.
I could see Solo turning up in that in some capacity.
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After all, Aurra Sing and Bossk both got a shout out in Solo after all. Both were Bounty Hunters, so it follows Solo would end up in the same sort of circles?
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TBH there is no reason to trust any review of this film that appears before general release.
Why? Most reviews appear before general release.
I think thats the point - see The Last Jedi
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We're bound to get Boba: A Star Wars story at some point, and maybe it'll tell us about how that rivalry started. I'd also bank on on him appearing in any movie about Lando. As for a third I really want them to follow up on that one bit towards the end, but that might just be wishful thinking.
Solo looks set to bomb at the box office. That’s depressing; a Star Wars movie losing money.
Disney’s has no one else to blame but themselves though. TLJ has created a big pit that they now need to dig themselves out of. They also released Solo at a bad time; too soon after Jedi and in competition with Infinity War and Deadpool 2. Most people can only get to the cinema so often, and this one coming out after War and Deadpool and on the negative hype of Jedi well, that’s an uphill fight.
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DoG are already pronouncing it dead, because apparently making less than the previous film's US box office opening weekend and doing poorly in China are terminal failings. Except for TLJ, when it did that they were minor inconveniences that in no way reflected on the film which is good and pure and perfec'
I think it will be a wait & see affair regarding sequels. A lot of people who were annoyed by TLJ might well change their mind and go see Solo once the "it's a fun if slightly disposable space-western with some fanservice and a Star Wars-y feel" sentiment that seems to be the actual fan reaction(as opposed to reviewers, who are seemingly split between that reaction, and the same reaction but with "only" inserted in there because apparently Star Wars is now supposed to be the big political avant garde sci-fi franchise and anything that isn't a mythos-busting postmodernist affair is worthless) percolates out to lapsed fans and general "just want a fun movie" cinemagoers. Mostly though it will depend on how honest Lucasfilm and Kennedy will be with themselves. The only reason this is in any danger of not making its budget back is because 70% of the movie was reshot at *huge* cost, combined with them doing a piss-poor job of controlling the narrative around the reshoots(seriously, why on earth would they let months of "reliable rumours" about Ehrenreich's supposed utter inability to act circulate without doing some damage control, especially when by all accounts(and bearing in mind I've yet to see it) that's complete nonsense?). On top of that, the marketing for the film was all over the place, partly no doubt due to the reshoots making cutting early trailers difficult if they didn't want a repeat of Rogue One, but also because they didn't seem to know how to convey the tone of the film until like a month before it was released.
If Lucasfilm and Disney sit down and basically say hey, mea culpa, we screwed this one, based on the original budget(assuming this turns out to be the case) it would have made its money back - we might get another one. If there's a lot of arse-covering and responsibility-evasion, or if Disney decides a lower final tally over its run can't be fully explained by the combination of shonky marketing, bad rumour control, and TLJ-backlash, then aye that goose is cooked.
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If anyone promised themselves to never see a Star Wars movie again after Episode VIII, do yourselves a favour and watch the Han Solo film.
While the new trilogy seems to end up to be less than the prequels, Solo is the best Star Wars movie ever made.
The story clicks (meaning it works - very well - apart from a ship owed to Lando by Han after a game of cards, but I might have missed something obvious), is unpredictable and entirely suitable for a Han Solo story. You get to see one of the great industrial, overpopulated core worlds of Star Wars come to life, the way you always wished for and always wanted to see beyond the backwater battlefields of the original trilogy (the prequels took a step in the right direction in this department). This movie is fun, it's roguishly charming, it's gritty and it's got action and a Russian roulette of double-crossing, backstabbing and guessing what is actually part of the plan, and what each character's game is. Oh, and aesthetically it's all crafted with attention to details and designs true to what has come before and expanding much upon it flawlessly.
One of the best movies ever made, in my book, along the likes of Jurassic Park and the Lotr trilogy. While the original Star Wars trilogy will remain a cinematic classic for all time (if technologically advanced human civilization, and files and physical copies of it survives the teeth of time), Solo: A Star Wars Story, is even more enjoyable, and better, than even the originals.
Burn me for a heretic now, and it's not just the pleasure of the new. Cheers!
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Technically I think a movie only flops if it fails to take in less than it cost the studio. People might see TLJ as a flop, but it took in over a billion according to IMDB. I could really go for a flop like that in my life.
Forbes reporting a $148 million global box office for the opening weekend on a production budget of $250 - $300 million the marketing budget is usually the same again so another $250 to $300 million and the cinemas are potentially due $200 to $250 million as their cut of the ticket sales over the films cinema run. Long way to go to break even.
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So was Felicity Jones. Don't read too much into it.
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FANTASTIC! I loved it. I cared about all the characters. I thought the jokes were charming. I thought the action was exciting and I actually cared about it because the characters had, you know, personalities.
The scene on Mimban was straight out of 40k. Just amazing!
The fact that the movie is underperforming has more to do with declining interest in the brand post-TLJ and Disney's own lukewarm attitude to marketing the film than the quality of the film itself.
She was the first character we’ve met, canonically, that has personally chosen to not only abandon the Jedi order, but turn their back on the Sith, having initially, to some degree, embraced it.
She deserves a better death than a mere mangst triggering.
Imagine her meeting Luke, and explaining the BS and hypocrisy of both sides. She was, again only pure canonically, our first brush with shades of grey outside the two major philosophies.
And she was really, really cool. And incredibly compelling. She seriously deserved a better fate than a mangst trigger.
So was Felicity Jones. Don't read too much into it.
Force ghost. Calling it now.
HBMC does raise a fair point. But, there are differences.
Jyn Erso could reprise her role as a holo recording. That’s a ‘strike’ against the contract right there. And an easy pay packet - and we all like those.
Alden?
Spoiler:
Han doesn’t end up Han at the end of Solo. He’s yet to get himself up to his neck in it. So whilst Jyn can complete a contract with cameos, Alden has, potentially, a larger role to play.
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FANTASTIC! I loved it. I cared about all the characters. I thought the jokes were charming. I thought the action was exciting and I actually cared about it because the characters had, you know, personalities.
The scene on Mimban was straight out of 40k. Just amazing!
The fact that the movie is underperforming has more to do with declining interest in the brand post-TLJ and Disney's own lukewarm attitude to marketing the film than the quality of the film itself.
Hmm i might like it then. Our interests aren't too far off. We both that TLJ was garbage.
Just saw solo and i gotta say that, while it wasn't a bad movie, it really felt too caught up in trying to hit all the background plot points for the already established history instead of creating its own story and events. With Rogue One it felt like the story connected to the established plots at the end of the movie while Solo was too tied down to the established to really dig into the potential that was there. The new characters made the movie interesting while trying to fill the shoes of established characters felt too predictable, too much like fan service, and at times a poor imitation. Don't get me wrong, the acting was very well done and the story was interesting but it left me wanting unattached to the other movies so we can get that feeling of wonder and excitement instead of knowing the ending so the journey loses that feeling of danger and the unknown.
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The "3 years later" transition to Han as an Imperial soldier was an amazing bit of cinema and reignited that excitement I had when people where saying that Rogue One was going to be a gritty Star Wars movie. What I would give to see a story taken from the perspective of an Imperial soldier fighting in the mud and trenches in a "bloody" war film. Something to explore the War in Star Wars without it being an idiotic farce like Attack of the Clones/Revenge of the Sith or the Heroes's Journey that is the original trilogy (and the unimaginative plot of the new trilogy). Sadly the plot kept getting sucked back into hitting the backstory bits of the original movies so we had to see the card games that won the Falcon and the "less than 12 parsecs Kessel Run" (Seriously George Lucas gakked up with that in the original movies so now writers are bending over backwards to make what George thought was a measure of time somehow mean that he got from points A to B in a shorter distance than anybody else). Kinda disappointed with the heel turn that the marauder group pulled and how they are actually noble bright Rebels instead of something a little bit more grey/dark in their morality.
Still overall I was not hating the movie by any means and the only real negative feelings I had for the film was in its wasted potential in becoming something great instead of being more or less chained to established events.
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I believe it will be, and obi wan will finish off the "trilogy"
Very hopeful for this. Keep the "criminal underworld western" vibe. It would be cool to see a live action version of obi-wan and maul's final dual, but I doubt they'd do that.
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