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Certainly I cannot be the only one who enjoys watching the effects of what amounts to a throwaway line in a Space Wolves novel?
On account of genetically enhanced women, I believe Fabius Bile has already made significant progress. As such, it would not surprise me to see him turn a girl into a space marine at one point. Even if only to prove that he could do it, if so inclined.
Zakiriel wrote: Yes lets make inferior space marines.
30% less muscle mass especially in the upper body where most combat strength is located.
Less bone density that only gets worse over time.
Toxic shock issues from poor hygiene in space armor suits for long periods of time in the field.
Yeah this will work well and not be an utter waste of time and resources to make a less effective super soldier.
Females already serve the Emperor in the Army and the Navy as well as in certain other specialty organizations because they can and do excel in them.
The Astartes is not suited to females at all. If you want women in powered armor please inquire with the Sororitas.
As I said in the previous locked thread. None of that happens pre-puberty wich is when the SM implantation process begins. SM organs override normal development. This argument is invalid especially in a universe with space magic and ... well everything 40k has.
Zakiriel wrote: Yes lets make inferior space marines.
30% less muscle mass especially in the upper body where most combat strength is located.
Less bone density that only gets worse over time.
Toxic shock issues from poor hygiene in space armor suits for long periods of time in the field.
Yeah this will work well and not be an utter waste of time and resources to make a less effective super soldier.
Females already serve the Emperor in the Army and the Navy as well as in certain other specialty organizations because they can and do excel in them.
The Astartes is not suited to females at all. If you want women in powered armor please inquire with the Sororitas.
As I said in the previous locked thread. None of that happens pre-puberty wich is when the SM implantation process begins. SM organs override normal development. This argument is invalid especially in a universe with space magic and ... well everything 40k has.
I laughed out loud when I read his comments. Bone density issues? Yeah... space magic can add a second heart, lungs that grant immunity to toxic atmospheres and enough general durability to shrug off otherwise devastating damage... but the space magicians just can't figure out how to beat osteoporosis! Same for the other comments. Space magic fixes everything. The comments seem to say more about the commenter than about the proposed fluff changes.
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Well someone had to light the promethium and throw it into the dumpster.
But in all honesty if you were to introduce female space marine types into the game it should come from the Emperor's Children and Fabius Bile.
Just to prove he can, and well, Slaanesh.
On a side note, a friend of mine raised the point that this is a "War Game" and do we really want more female representation to then violence up?
Already to much violence against women as it is.
Food for thought.
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Zakiriel wrote: Yes lets make inferior space marines.
30% less muscle mass especially in the upper body where most combat strength is located.
Less bone density that only gets worse over time.
Toxic shock issues from poor hygiene in space armor suits for long periods of time in the field.
Yeah this will work well and not be an utter waste of time and resources to make a less effective super soldier.
Females already serve the Emperor in the Army and the Navy as well as in certain other specialty organizations because they can and do excel in them.
The Astartes is not suited to females at all. If you want women in powered armor please inquire with the Sororitas.
As I said in the previous locked thread. None of that happens pre-puberty wich is when the SM implantation process begins. SM organs override normal development. This argument is invalid especially in a universe with space magic and ... well everything 40k has.
except you're talking increased bone density, increased muscle mass, increased size, all signs of male puberty, could it be space marine geneseed operates by harassing and "super charging" this? in effect part of what makes a space marine WORK could well be male puberty.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Yes, but if all the tampering is just going to make them turn out just like male space marines... what is the point? Either in universe or in reality? Would anyone really be all that exited about a space marine that looked and acted just like every other space marine, just because you're told it was made from a girl? It's not like you'll be able to see its uterus on the model. And it presumably wouldn't function anyway.
As for how anything works, as was pointed out recently in another thread, it doesn't work. None of it works.
The reason I'm strongly agaisnt female space marines is because it would make SoB even more obsolete than what they are allready now, and would basically mean that we aren't gonna receive new SoB models.
But at the same time I wouldn't be agaisnt a Space Wolf Valkirie unit.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Galas wrote: The reason I'm strongly agaisnt female space marines is because it would make SoB even more obsolete than what they are allready now, and would basically mean that we aren't gonna receive new SoB models.
But at the same time I wouldn't be agaisnt a Space Wolf Valkirie unit.
I'd be kinda intreasted in a "chapter serfs" codex come to think of it.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Watch the nerd rage as Space Wolves get power-armored Valkyries who are an intermediary between full Space Marines and Imperial Guard, almost like power-armored Scions.
All the biggest rage of both female Space Marines, and an army of women in power comes out that aren't Sisters of Battle?
Honestly, that would be a very unique and characterful Space Wolf thing, really. Helluva lot cooler than a Murderous totally-not-Khornate dreadnought and a wolf sleigh.
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AegisGrimm wrote: Watch the nerd rage as Space Wolves get power-armored Valkyries who are an intermediary between full Space Marines and Imperial Guard, almost like power-armored Scions.
All the biggest rage of both female Space Marines, and an army of women in power comes out that aren't Sisters of Battle?
Honestly, that would be a very unique and characterful Space Wolf thing, really.
Only if they get wing style jump packs.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Subscribing for all the salt from a throw away comment by a novelist that doesn't actually indicate a change in GW's position on anything.
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Zakiriel wrote: On a side note, a friend of mine raised the point that this is a "War Game" and do we really want more female representation to then violence up?
Already to much violence against women as it is.
We do.
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Zakiriel wrote: Well someone had to light the promethium and throw it into the dumpster.
But in all honesty if you were to introduce female space marine types into the game it should come from the Emperor's Children and Fabius Bile.
Just to prove he can, and well, Slaanesh.
On a side note, a friend of mine raised the point that this is a "War Game" and do we really want more female representation to then violence up?
Already to much violence against women as it is.
Food for thought.
Except that we already have plenty of violence against women (genestealer fluff, sisters of battle bloodbath/crimson slaughter cannibalism/sanctuary 101) we just don't get any of the cool tabletop models.
There's always going to be someone in the fluff/modeling department that's into the whole violence against women thing, it's pretty much inevitable in any kind of setting/fandom/whatever you have it. In terms of 40k, we're there already, sisters of battle are established to exist, rule 34 with a lovely helping of violence is already going to exist in abundance.
So sure, why not. Lets get some good female models out of it at least, so the folks whose jollies don't get rustled that way at least have something to enjoy.
Zakiriel wrote: Yes lets make inferior space marines.
30% less muscle mass especially in the upper body where most combat strength is located.
Less bone density that only gets worse over time.
Toxic shock issues from poor hygiene in space armor suits for long periods of time in the field.
Yeah this will work well and not be an utter waste of time and resources to make a less effective super soldier.
Females already serve the Emperor in the Army and the Navy as well as in certain other specialty organizations because they can and do excel in them.
The Astartes is not suited to females at all. If you want women in powered armor please inquire with the Sororitas.
As I said in the previous locked thread. None of that happens pre-puberty wich is when the SM implantation process begins. SM organs override normal development. This argument is invalid especially in a universe with space magic and ... well everything 40k has.
except you're talking increased bone density, increased muscle mass, increased size, all signs of male puberty, could it be space marine geneseed operates by harassing and "super charging" this? in effect part of what makes a space marine WORK could well be male puberty.
it could.
but probably not. I hate to break it to you, but there's nothing in tesdosterone that's gonna make your ribcage close into a solid mass and pimp you out with a second heart. You're gonna need a totally new hormone for that one.
Inevitably it all comes down to whatever hack writer gets put in charge of it comes up with. Come on folks, lets spin the "wheel o' pointless sexism and cringe-worthy inclusion for its own sake!" whatever result comes up, everybody loses!
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Zakiriel wrote: Yes lets make inferior space marines.
30% less muscle mass especially in the upper body where most combat strength is located.
Less bone density that only gets worse over time.
Toxic shock issues from poor hygiene in space armor suits for long periods of time in the field.
Yeah this will work well and not be an utter waste of time and resources to make a less effective super soldier.
Females already serve the Emperor in the Army and the Navy as well as in certain other specialty organizations because they can and do excel in them.
The Astartes is not suited to females at all. If you want women in powered armor please inquire with the Sororitas.
You do know Space Marines get some 13 new organs inserted, as well as having their old organs, muschel mass and bone structure increased. They also in cannon grow by about a meter. Compared to that the 30% extra muscel do not really matter. Space Marines are so alien to humans they could count as a different race.
Reading over it I keep thinking your above comment is probably a troll post, although I do supose you are ill informed or have not thought about it a whole lot.
Update:
Zakiriel wrote: Well someone had to light the promethium and throw it into the dumpster.
But in all honesty if you were to introduce female space marine types into the game it should come from the Emperor's Children and Fabius Bile.
Just to prove he can, and well, Slaanesh.
On a side note, a friend of mine raised the point that this is a "War Game" and do we really want more female representation to then violence up?
Already to much violence against women as it is.
Food for thought.
Yeah, that pretty much confirms the troll. Hope you all got your oponions about Ashes of Prospero in because this thread closes in 3, 2, 1.
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I throughly support Space Wolves getting a whole army of new power-armoured female warriors.
Except, this would obviously be a MIRACLE so they'd probably be very religious. And also, maybe they could really like flamers and meltas? That would be interesting. And also winged jump pacs so they look all angelic. And maybe a big organ tank. And lose all the wolf iconography, maybe some sort of flower symbol?
In plastic. Yeah. I think that would be great. COOL NEW ARMY
ArbitorIan wrote: I throughly support Space Wolves getting a whole army of new power-armoured female warriors.
Except, this would obviously be a MIRACLE so they'd probably be very religious. And also, maybe they could really like flamers and meltas? That would be interesting. And also winged jump pacs so they look all angelic. And maybe a big organ tank. And lose all the wolf iconography, maybe some sort of flower symbol?
In plastic. Yeah. I think that would be great. COOL NEW ARMY
Well if anyone can do its the Wolves - they get everythig
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Im here nor there about FemMarines, its not something I personally put too much thought into.
Thinking about it now though, I'd much rather have a Valkyrie themed Sisters of Battle type thing for the Daughters of Fenris. To me a much more interesting concept.
But generally Im not a fan of forced diversity in any direction, if it makes sense in the universe, do it, if not don't.
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Zakiriel wrote: Yes lets make inferior space marines.
30% less muscle mass especially in the upper body where most combat strength is located.
Less bone density that only gets worse over time.
Toxic shock issues from poor hygiene in space armor suits for long periods of time in the field.
Yeah this will work well and not be an utter waste of time and resources to make a less effective super soldier.
Females already serve the Emperor in the Army and the Navy as well as in certain other specialty organizations because they can and do excel in them.
The Astartes is not suited to females at all. If you want women in powered armor please inquire with the Sororitas.
You are bringing science to a space fantasy fight lol .
Zakiriel wrote: On a side note, a friend of mine raised the point that this is a "War Game" and do we really want more female representation to then violence up?
Already to much violence against women as it is.
Food for thought.
Let me introduce you to: science fiction war/violent conflict movies.
Spoiler:
First, there is the Starship Troopers series:
Also, the Alien series :
And the Star Wars series :
Oh and Mad Max:
Well, science fiction movies have stated loud and clear that they are totally fine with it, and their audience is too. It'll also get branded feminist and we'll have the silly insecure usual suspect men throwing a fit at it too, business as usual.
Sorry I hate all the food by answering your question, but I'm sure you'll find another way to feed your thought.
Galas wrote: The reason I'm strongly agaisnt female space marines is because it would make SoB even more obsolete than what they are allready now,
Only if you believe that the only thing SoB have for them is their gender, which is very very much wrong.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Galas wrote: But at the same time I know how much GW loves marines, so if they release Female Marines I'm sure theres no way we'll see SoB.
So what you are saying is that it doesn't make any difference, then? Because there's already no way we'll see SoB.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
If the Imperium is short on recruiting stock, why not look to the other 50-60% of the population (possibly more if all the men keep dying in wars all over the place)?
It's not like Space Marines are really 'men' anyway, they are mules - genetically changed an unable to reproduce sexually. There could very easily be a 'female' under that armor and we would never know. Certain attributes that are non-conducive to combat would probably be reduced or removed along with the enhancements that make a Space Marine.
While I do see the idea of a Valkyrie unit for the Wolves being pretty cool, I do see the fear that it would invalidate the Sisters. On the other hand, if a female Wolves unit sold really well, it may signal the approval for female power armor...
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vitki wrote: If the Imperium is short on recruiting stock, why not look to the other 50-60% of the population (possibly more if all the men keep dying in wars all over the place)?
I really don't think they are short on recruits for Space Marines. They could increase their recruitment a hundred-fold and it wouldn't affect the Imperium. The population of the Imperium is far too great compared to the number of Space Marines for recruiting stock to be an issue.
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It's not recruits Chapters are short on - it's more the codex restrictions, geneseed, wargear and such that are the restrictive factors. I'd imagine the Codex restrictions are the main ones.
vitki wrote: If the Imperium is short on recruiting stock, why not look to the other 50-60% of the population (possibly more if all the men keep dying in wars all over the place)?
It's not like Space Marines are really 'men' anyway, they are mules - genetically changed an unable to reproduce sexually. There could very easily be a 'female' under that armor and we would never know. Certain attributes that are non-conducive to combat would probably be reduced or removed along with the enhancements that make a Space Marine.
While I do see the idea of a Valkyrie unit for the Wolves being pretty cool, I do see the fear that it would invalidate the Sisters. On the other hand, if a female Wolves unit sold really well, it may signal the approval for female power armor...
Good points. Female space marines would be just as buff but probably be virtually breastless. I remember Battletech trying to deal with this issue with the Clans - if you aren't going to be breeding the things might as well be reduced to be less out of the way.
On the plus side, this means you could do 'female' head swaps on your marines/space wolves and be done. Quick, cheap and easy compared to most other factions outside Tau.
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ChargerIIC wrote: Good points. Female space marines would be just as buff but probably be virtually breastless.
Who cares? Most people, including me, have no idea what a male space marine torso look like either. It's irrelevant because we always see them in power armor anyway so…
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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