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Well, my pre-orders are in.

And at a healthy discount...

 LunarSol wrote:


If you get a warlord trait though it seems worth spending the CP anyway, particularly with some of those improved save options.

I guess it depends on whether or not you can use the strategems with Aux detachments. The Chapter Approved strategem allows it, but most factions do not (though this seems to be consistent in CA as well).

They are different Detachments.

One's the normal Auxiliary Detachment, which explicitly does not unlock Stratagems and costs you a single CP for your army. It's the one for a single Assassin or something.

The other is the Superheavy Auxiliary Detachment, most often seen (up to now) for things like Mortarion, Guilliman, etc.. for a single Superheavy. It is 0 CP and, to my knowledge, unlocks Stratagems.

Hmm... how about this as a melee ally for a shooty list?

1. Superheavy Auxiliary Detachment
2. IK Gallant and the 'best-in-slot' Household for it (Krast, I believe) or a Freeblade
3. 1CP on Exalted Court and give it the Landstrider WT
4. Give it the 5++ in melee relic
5. Release the leash and profit!

Pre-orders done. Renegade box and a Valiant for me, and some data cards. Already have a Porphyrion done, but that is so damn expensive in 40k that it's almost unusable. The Valiant will have to take his place.

Also need to finish my Atrapos and Lancer. Gonna have a nice mix of Questoris and Cerastus knights covering the Valiant as he's stomping up the table slowly.

Pre-ordered mine on Saturday while working. For once I'm glad that GW has those one-click bundles as their store is a bit of a hassle to navigate on a phone.

Went with the essentials collection, Lance collection, Renegade, a battle gauge, some sprays, regular paints and a classic Enginseer they still sell online.

May pick up extra Helverins and a box of Warglaives next weekend, maybe another Forge Shrine as well, budget permitting.

Why are you ordering from GW?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why are you ordering from GW?

Cause he can? I'm going to wait for the freeblade. Don't feel the need to go all in.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why are you ordering from GW?

Even I put down my pom-poms and ordered from Dark Sphere and Wargames Armoury for this one!

Now, to wait and see what filth FW come out with for the Dominus Chassis....


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And come to think of it, wonder if the Porphyrion's dakka is gonna get souped up any? Because the Volcano is making large lascannons look, well, a little weedy. Even if there's four of them!

Maybe FW will just change it to four Volcano Lances and be done with it. There’s no actual reason they need to have another profile. Also, “volcano” tech is canonically just really-big-laser tech so it’s not that much of a stretch.
Would be nice if they got some kind of bonus for firing a pair at a single target though.

Been ages since I cracked open the relative index, but is it not two sets of twinlinked?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why are you ordering from GW?

Because my erstwhile FLGS has become so massively unreliable recently when it comes to GW orders. I'd rather pay full price and get it on the day of release instead of maybe getting it two or three weeks down the road if I'm lucky. This is the one big release of the year for me and I'd rather pay extra and be guaranteed that I get what I want when I want it than be made to wait who knows how long until it can be picked up, so discounts be damned.

It doesn't help that the account manager GW has assigned to non-GW stores in the Netherlands is an idiot who can't even send in the right product.

Want the Crimson Slaughter codex? HAVE SEVERAL BATCHES OF CARROBURG CRIMSON.

Want a Stormlord tank? HAVE AN IMOTEKH THE STORMLORD BLISTER.

Want a novel? HERE'S A KIT BASED ON THE NOVEL INSTEAD.

Same here, I pre-ordered from GW as well. I live close to an official GW store, so it's the easiest for me. I don't mind paying the extra for release day guarantee. I really only do it for pre-orders though, when I really want it on release day.

I'll enjoy the $100 I saved.

And normally I would gladly take the 20% discount I usually get, but reasons.

Guess I'll work on that hangar for my display cabinet later down the line. A pair of these, one as a floor, the other as a wall, with sector mechanicus walkways and tanks attached to it should make for a good hangar vignette to display models with:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Been ages since I cracked open the relative index, but is it not two sets of twinlinked?

Indeed but twin linked doesn’t exist in 8th edition and I was thinking mainly of adding the porphyrion to my Questor Mechanicus list. That said, what would be better; 8d6 S10 shots or 4d6 S14 shots?

The CP restriction coupled with learning that the non-cog shoulders only come with the dual cannon Armiger kit have really killed my enthusiasm for this release. I don't want to have to hunt down bits online just so I can give my Armigers a uniform look, especially when they aren't contributing CP to my army.

 EnTyme wrote:
The CP restriction coupled with learning that the non-cog shoulders only come with the dual cannon Armiger kit have really killed my enthusiasm for this release. I don't want to have to hunt down bits online just so I can give my Armigers a uniform look, especially when they aren't contributing CP to my army.

Joke's on you, because I've come up with a great way to make use of this quandry.

Pull a Techmarine. One pad is Mechanicus, one is Knights. Works great for House Cadmus since they're only recently 'released' from the Mechanicus thanks to their associated Forge World getting nommed.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
The CP restriction coupled with learning that the non-cog shoulders only come with the dual cannon Armiger kit have really killed my enthusiasm for this release. I don't want to have to hunt down bits online just so I can give my Armigers a uniform look, especially when they aren't contributing CP to my army.

Joke's on you, because I've come up with a great way to make use of this quandry.

Pull a Techmarine. One pad is Mechanicus, one is Knights. Works great for House Cadmus since they're only recently 'released' from the Mechanicus thanks to their associated Forge World getting nommed.

I was planning on going Cadmus and am totally stealing this idea. Thank you!

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
The CP restriction coupled with learning that the non-cog shoulders only come with the dual cannon Armiger kit have really killed my enthusiasm for this release. I don't want to have to hunt down bits online just so I can give my Armigers a uniform look, especially when they aren't contributing CP to my army.

Joke's on you, because I've come up with a great way to make use of this quandry.

Pull a Techmarine. One pad is Mechanicus, one is Knights. Works great for House Cadmus since they're only recently 'released' from the Mechanicus thanks to their associated Forge World getting nommed.

I was planning on going Cadmus and am totally stealing this idea. Thank you!

You're absolutely welcome! I've used a bit of sprue to keep the shoulderpads and the ankle/leg/knee plates as their own components. Worked like a charm. Feel free to steal that too.

The Renegade box will allow you to build every "classic" knight variant, right? I ordered it hoping I can magnetize all the weapons and play whichever variant I need at any given time.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:


If you get a warlord trait though it seems worth spending the CP anyway, particularly with some of those improved save options.

I guess it depends on whether or not you can use the strategems with Aux detachments. The Chapter Approved strategem allows it, but most factions do not (though this seems to be consistent in CA as well).

They are different Detachments.

One's the normal Auxiliary Detachment, which explicitly does not unlock Stratagems and costs you a single CP for your army. It's the one for a single Assassin or something.

The other is the Superheavy Auxiliary Detachment, most often seen (up to now) for things like Mortarion, Guilliman, etc.. for a single Superheavy. It is 0 CP and, to my knowledge, unlocks Stratagems.

Yup, I know the difference, I just wasn't 100% sure GW didn't include wording to rule out the Aux. I know from Chapter Approved the way they worded it stops an Aux Knight from being your Warlord or taking the Relic Chainblade, but allows it to use the strategem. I just didn't know if the new strategems have any limits like only being available to Knight Lances or Super Heavy Detachments.


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Rajah wrote:
The Renegade box will allow you to build every "classic" knight variant, right? I ordered it hoping I can magnetize all the weapons and play whichever variant I need at any given time.

Correct, but there's only one Warden upgrade sprue so you only get access to 1 Avenger Gatling Cannon, Thunderstrike Gauntlet, Icarus Cannon, and Missile Pod.

Rajah wrote:
The Renegade box will allow you to build every "classic" knight variant, right? I ordered it hoping I can magnetize all the weapons and play whichever variant I need at any given time.

Yes but only 1. It has only 1 sprue containing fist and gatling cannon. So say gallant and crusader works, warden and crusader doesn't nor 2 crusaders.

Idea, 5 knight errant in 2000 points? Good bad or dick move?

The Knight Errants are okay, but imho after the paladin probably the worst choice. I would recommand running 5 Gallants and add a 180 points AM battery.
On the other hand... the rule of 3 doesn't allow for 5 of anything...

So what’s looking to be the winning combination of knights and Armigers so far with a 180pt. Guard army?

I really hope GW rereleases the additional Imperial Knight transfer sheet with Griffith and Mortan. It is between those two houses for me.

gendoikari87 wrote:
Idea, 5 knight errant in 2000 points? Good bad or dick move?

5x errants certainly wouldn't be something I'd reccomend even if we don't abide by the rule of three. All your anti horde is tied up in stomp attacks so ruins would shut you down hard.

I really like the gallant now, 354 points (don't even add a carapace weapon, keept it cheap if you advance turn 1), great for some dedicated CC. But a pure knight army basically has to have a avenger gatling cannon for "anti-horde" IMO (even if it's still overkill, and choose the relic avenger) One errant is a solid idea though, the randomness of the thermal cannon sucks but it's good at anti tank shooting and fairly cheap.

One crusader with a RFBC, an avenger, heavy stubber and ironstorm rocket pod is 501 points. Plus a basic gallant, 354 points. Errant plus stormspear rocket pod is 440.Then maybe a warden with a stormspear rocket pod, 456 points. That puts the list at 1751 points, plenty of space for an allied battalion if one should want. Or take out a few carapace weapons and add 2 armigers so you get one "full" detachment and another one that doesn't give out CP but at least makes a knight a character. Make one avenger the relic one and maybe upgrade the gallant fist or a stormspear rocket pod?

But hey, what do I know?

I think the choice is going to be problematic if you plan to Ally anything in if you go with three big knight (and thus the cost) or of you sacrifice the CPs to take one or two big knights with armigers. Too early to tell in my opinion.

Do we know the explosion size/damage for Armigers?

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Do we know the explosion size/damage for Armigers?

I assume it's still the same as in forgebane:. 6" d3 damage.