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But that's probably a discussion for another thread.

I can't confirm my thoughts, because I don't have access to a Codex at work, but is it because different units can share the same profile, but with different basic equipment?

For example, Tactical and Assault Squads are both made up of Space Marines, but in one squad they have a bolter and frag grenades, in the other they have a bolt pistol, a chainsword and frag grenades?

edit - sorry, insaniak, I obviously took too long to compose this. No more, I promise.

After staring at the pic a bit more, I think it's mostly the nipple guns I object to... They just make it look too crowded.

Hopefully they're optional.

 Crazyterran wrote:

Kdash wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
As for the Houses that will be getting them, my guess is:

House Terryn
House Hawkshroud
House Cadmus
House Griffith
House Raven
House Taranis
House Krast

Those at the very least.

I’d be VERY surprised if they ended up with 7 Household traits in addition to Freeblade and “standard” options.

Personally, I’m expecting 4 Households and 1 Freeblade set for 5 in total.

Theres typically been about 7 factions per book, so i would expect three Questor Imperialis, three Mechanicus. and a generic Freeblade one.

On average, so far, there has been 6.3 factions per main faction codex. This drops to 6.01 if we take the reasonable presumption that Dark Eldar and Harlequinns will have 5 each (the same as Craftworld Eldar).

The next thing to consider, is, how do you make 7 different faction of Knight? What Household rules can you give them that will differentiate between them all, without having them just be slightly altered versions of each other?

Just spit balling here, but, maybe you’d have
If you don’t move, count as being in cover
Re-roll 1’s in combat if you charge
+6” to heavy and rapid fire weapons
Can advance and fire all weapons with -1 penalty
Re-roll 1’s to shoot if you don’t move

Maybe re-roll charges? Maybe a FNP trait? Dunno, what else. They don’t need Leadership traits, they don’t need to fall back and shoot/charge traits, don’t need morale traits.
Could also go for an “Imperial Fists” trait I guess.

I’d expect stratagems to do most of that though (in terms of FNP, advance + charge + re-roll, repair etc)

On the flip side though, Knights might suddenly take a step more towards only 1 big Knight and dozens of smaller units in the codex, which might open up other options, but, I’m not sure that will happen as the main focus will hopefully still be on the actual Knights themselves.

Kdash wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
As for the Houses that will be getting them, my guess is:

House Terryn
House Hawkshroud
House Cadmus
House Griffith
House Raven
House Taranis
House Krast

Those at the very least.

I’d be VERY surprised if they ended up with 7 Household traits in addition to Freeblade and “standard” options.

Personally, I’m expecting 4 Households and 1 Freeblade set for 5 in total.

The Armiger transfer sheet has 5:
House Terryn
House Hawkshroud
House Cadmus
House Taranis
House Raven

With that being released so close to the codex I'll be surprised if do rules for any other houses not covered by the transfer sheet.

I want to see how the chassis supports those shoulder turrets; it looks like there's some supporting structure, not just having them bolted to the pauldron armour.

I'm assuming there's some level of automatic control for all those secondary weapons rather than the pilot having to keep track of them all himself (although perhaps that's easier with the MIU than if he were trying to use physical controls?). Even with a regular Knight, you've got up to five independent weapon systems. This one appears to have seven; six if the two multi-meltas either side of the head are twin-linked rather than independent.

 insaniak wrote:
After staring at the pic a bit more, I think it's mostly the nipple guns I object to... They just make it look too crowded.

To me they look like... the beer can hats.

They're coming off his head, not sticking out of his chest.

'Ere....where's his Ion Shield?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
After staring at the pic a bit more, I think it's mostly the nipple guns I object to... They just make it look too crowded.

To me they look like... the beer can hats.

They're coming off his head, not sticking out of his chest.

His head is growing out of his chest though.

That being said i would accept earring guns.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
'Ere....where's his Ion Shield?

The Tilting Plate isnt the Ion Shield, the Ion Shields are those balls on the sides of the Knight Carapace, Im pretty sure?

 BrookM wrote:
I think those are multi-meltas mounted under the shoulders and I hope it's a pair of Hellstrike missiles on the carapace up top, or Skystrike missiles to give it some fly swatting capabilities.

The left arm is an energy weapon, not a battle cannon, so probably a throwback to the old magma(?) cannon or whatever is was called back then.

Looks like the Cypher/AdMech plasma things, scaled up. Maybe an uber-Plasma Cannon?

Crazyterran wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
'Ere....where's his Ion Shield?

The Tilting Plate isnt the Ion Shield, the Ion Shields are those balls on the sides of the Knight Carapace, Im pretty sure?

Tilting plates on the original Knight chassis housed the shield generator.

JohnnyHell wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I think those are multi-meltas mounted under the shoulders and I hope it's a pair of Hellstrike missiles on the carapace up top, or Skystrike missiles to give it some fly swatting capabilities.

The left arm is an energy weapon, not a battle cannon, so probably a throwback to the old magma(?) cannon or whatever is was called back then.

Looks like the Cypher/AdMech plasma things, scaled up. Maybe an uber-Plasma Cannon?

He’s talking about the other arm, which I’m hoping is a mini Volcano Cannon like the Epic Castellans had.


I’m digging all the mini-turrets, makes it look like a walking fortress, which makes sense for a Knight Castellan.

 Crazyterran wrote:

Kdash wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
As for the Houses that will be getting them, my guess is:

House Terryn
House Hawkshroud
House Cadmus
House Griffith
House Raven
House Taranis
House Krast

Those at the very least.

I’d be VERY surprised if they ended up with 7 Household traits in addition to Freeblade and “standard” options.

Personally, I’m expecting 4 Households and 1 Freeblade set for 5 in total.

Theres typically been about 7 factions per book, so i would expect three Questor Imperialis, three Mechanicus. and a generic Freeblade one.

One of the original rumours/theories from the person that leaked the existence of the mini-knights before their reveal was 4 traits - Questor Imperialis, Questor Mechanicus, Questor Traitoris and Freeblades.

Interesting, it looks like a shrunk-down version of a Warlord titan. Honestly I thought this was an epic release when I first saw the video. Not sure what I think about it yet.

The plasma cannon appear to have an igniter at the tip. Giant plasma flamer, possibly?

 Cephalobeard wrote:
The plasma cannon appear to have an igniter at the tip. Giant plasma flamer, possibly?

No. All the new Mechanicus/Primaris plasma weapons have that, along with the banks of capacitors on the sides.

 insaniak wrote:
After staring at the pic a bit more, I think it's mostly the nipple guns I object to... They just make it look too crowded.

Hopefully they're optional.

For me, it's the shoulder guns - definitely feeling an Orky / WM vibe...and not in a good way.

I hope they're optional extras.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
The plasma cannon appear to have an igniter at the tip. Giant plasma flamer, possibly?

No. All the new Mechanicus/Primaris plasma weapons have that, along with the banks of capacitors on the sides.

Ah, oh well. Excitement diminished. Here's hoping it gets a gatling gun variant, then.

While it's cool to see Knights get more kits...that new Knight...is awful.

I assume/hope the kit will allow numerous builds, but Christ it looks like they took a normal Knight and asked a 7-year old how to improve it. Really lazy design there.

The new IK looks like a shrunken Warlord Titan. You can only put so many guns on this platform otherwise it looks crowded. Though the new "plasma cannon" and "volcano cannon" are quite neat.

That new knight is completely ridiculously over the top. I LOVE IT!

Did I hear something about a rerelease of Renegade??

I was about to get a knight for fun anyways, but I can wait a bit longer to get two instead. They new gun platform knight is sweet too, Ork players will have a blast with that thing.

 Accolade wrote:
Interesting, it looks like a shrunk-down version of a Warlord titan. Honestly I thought this was an epic release when I first saw the video. Not sure what I think about it yet.

Same here, it felt proper Epic to me. The late 90s Warlord titan-head, those turret mounted guns, shoulder pads, legs and several other design elements look like they were working on AT plastic titans and shared meshes between these. Which also makes sense in-universe. I like these new kits. The Armiger has grown on me, didnt like it that much at first look. Fingers crossed for more 40k Knight models and an extensive AT 8mm release later in 2018. I cant wait to field entire armies of Titans and Knights in AT.

I like how they took the prototypical neck-beard and cast him in as the Knight Scion. Oh Gee Dubs, you know your clients well...

What a nice little fella.
Don't see a problem with piloting too many guns. Ever played any mechwarrior game? On the big dudes you had plenty of weapon groups and even I was able to handle them even without neuro links and any kind of machine spirit.

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
I like how they took the prototypical neck-beard and cast him in as the Knight Scion. Oh Gee Dubs, you know your clients well...

More a homage to this limited edition 'buy a FW Knight and get one' model.

My word, the knight pilots have west-country accents!
"Oi caan't read an' oi caan't wroite, but thaat don't reely mah'er 'cause oi do come frum Glossershire an' oi can droive an Armiger!"
I might get one and paint it as a Massey-Ferguson in homage.

I was just about to start doing games of IK renegade for my channel - i am absolutely stoked!!
Had plans to incorporate the side and rear facings so i could play against multiple knights and now GW might do it for me!!

 insaniak wrote:
That looks ridiculous.

There's such a thing as 'too many guns'. Given that Knights have a single crewman, that even manages to exceed Repulsor levels of silliness.

The IoM seems to be taking design tips from Cobra as of late. It kind of works on a Knight, though.

 Crimson wrote:
The setting is pretty much ruined,

Haha, the setting is ruined?

Amazing.

It'll be fun to see how many of the old relics will be recycled and updated for the new codex. We already know that the Ravager is in thanks to Chapter Approved 2017.

Mark of the Omnissiah would also be a welcome relic, restoring a lost wound every turn.