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 Kanluwen wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The question is, are these other faceplates from a "missing" sprue for the Warglaive kit? Or are they from a different Armiger variant that will be released in a separate box?

What I'm starting to wonder is if there's going to be an "Armiger" kit of two, with the directions provided being specific to the Warglaive kit.

That would be a sneaky and slightly annoying move by GW. Although any bits sellers would probably love it.

 Phobosftw wrote:

Aeneades wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I'm not assembling my Armigers until we see the Knight codex. BoLS was right. The weapon/shoulder sprue is definitely labelled "B", but there is no "A". There are also two face plates shown in the instructions that aren't on any of the sprues. There is definitely at least one more sprue that'll come in the stand-alone kit.

All four faceplates from the Forgebane building instructions are on the sprues. 2 are on the weapon sprue and 2 are on the sprue with the feet and body sides. But you're right about the big ol' "B" listed there on the weapon sprue. No other sprue has a signifying letter on it. I'm really curious now why they included a B sprue and not an A sprue for the first reveal. Overall this version of the armiger is less useful. Perhaps in the Forgebane kit some anti tank was needed? I don't know anything about Ad Mech.

The two faceplates on the weapon sprue are not the Faceplates shown in the instructions. Two are definitely missing.

I second that

I guess you're right. I didn't really take that close a look. They're either scrapped versions or ones we don't have yet.

I wonder if it is as simple as them not being able to fit in another two frames into the Forgebane box set. They wanted to have two complete forces. What do they drop from the existing roster to accomplish that?

 Brother Xeones wrote:
I wonder if it is as simple as them not being able to fit in another two frames into the Forgebane box set. They wanted to have two complete forces. What do they drop from the existing roster to accomplish that?

That’s a weird thought, given the box. It’s full, but not so that another 1/2 frame wouldn’t fit. No, I think that the evidence points to a miss-communication when the instructions were developed and the company keeping a sprue back for the stand alone kit. After all, thecImperial Knight worked well in that staggered release.

I'm really considering picking this up for the Necrons. I know the answer is probably "both" but should I start with this or the new Start Collecting box?

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm really considering picking this up for the Necrons. I know the answer is probably "both" but should I start with this or the new Start Collecting box?

Few thoughts

1) The Forgebane is a great set though if you only want the necrons then chances are ebay will have split kits so you can get hold of the necron component cheaper.

2) The Necron stuff, based on new prices from the GW store, is £16 cheaper if bought separate than buying the Forgebane boxed set. So in short you get all the Ad-mech models for £16, so if you want them its a fantastic deal.

3) As the more expensive if you are only focusing on the Necrons you might consider Forgebane now as you can afford it and the getting started later.

4) The getting started has a more basic core of units; command, vehicle and infantry. As such it forms an ideal back-bone of a typical Necron army, whilst the Forgebane is a more elite setup and lacks "basic" troops.

5) Ideally, yes, both are great kits. One gives you a new Cryptek in plastic and a whole load of Ad-Mech units, the other basically gives you a free Annihilation Barge/Command Barge.
Neither contains poor choices so you can't go wrong either way.

 Brother Xeones wrote:
I wonder if it is as simple as them not being able to fit in another two frames into the Forgebane box set. They wanted to have two complete forces. What do they drop from the existing roster to accomplish that?

Then why not include one Armiger A and one Armiger B? Would make the box even more desirable...

 Overread wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm really considering picking this up for the Necrons. I know the answer is probably "both" but should I start with this or the new Start Collecting box?

Few thoughts

1) The Forgebane is a great set though if you only want the necrons then chances are ebay will have split kits so you can get hold of the necron component cheaper.

I've already checked and until the aftermarket stabilizes it's a bad deal, most of the Necron half only sets are like 70-80 bucks. I may as well just get the whole box and sell/trade off the Ad-mech.

2) The Necron stuff, based on new prices from the GW store, is £16 cheaper if bought separate than buying the Forgebane boxed set. So in short you get all the Ad-mech models for £16, so if you want them its a fantastic deal.

3) As the more expensive if you are only focusing on the Necrons you might consider Forgebane now as you can afford it and the getting started later.

4) The getting started has a more basic core of units; command, vehicle and infantry. As such it forms an ideal back-bone of a typical Necron army, whilst the Forgebane is a more elite setup and lacks "basic" troops.

5) Ideally, yes, both are great kits. One gives you a new Cryptek in plastic and a whole load of Ad-Mech units, the other basically gives you a free Annihilation Barge/Command Barge.
Neither contains poor choices so you can't go wrong either way.

I actually think the basic warriors are kind of boring, that's why I liked the look of Forgebane. I know I probably need some warriors though, that's why I thought about the Start Collecting.

 Alexonian wrote:
I ordered 8 boxes in the end, which meant I got 30 Immortals, 10 deathmarks, 1 cryptek, 6 wraiths, 20 lychguard and 10 praeorians for free after selling the rest separately (actually going a little plus)

Jesus, i don't know if i would have enough faith to buy that many boxes to try parting out. Sounds like you got yourself a very nice Necron army though. That sounds like a lot of work and a lot of upfront cost unless you are getting them at a pretty decent discount which most places I seen them available wasn't.

I called then after posting on here and my LGS had mine in but they never called me

I think if you want to fully assemble the mini knights then i would go for magnatizing the elbows with the way they are set up unless you want to leave the shoulder armor off and just twist off arms, but I don't think all the options ever come with the upper arms even on the big knights so that is probably where i would magnatize it. I never bought a full Knight kit, i bought the body pieces pretty cheap through bit sellers and 3d printed some weapons for it. The weapons was where they got you with the knights.

For the arbingers since the weapon sprue was seperate from the rest which was all connected, I would definately say they are planning a kit with more options, weapon options and maybe other options or bits... Just my opinion.

 Irbis wrote:

 Brother Xeones wrote:
I wonder if it is as simple as them not being able to fit in another two frames into the Forgebane box set. They wanted to have two complete forces. What do they drop from the existing roster to accomplish that?

Then why not include one Armiger A and one Armiger B? Would make the box even more desirable...

Perhaps because there are no shoulder pauldrons or whatever other components are also on sprue B that would be needed in order to make a complete Armiger. But if there was more room in the box, maybe it had to do with the pricepoint they wanted to hit or something else... just speculating as to why they might want to do things this way.

 Kanluwen wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The question is, are these other faceplates from a "missing" sprue for the Warglaive kit? Or are they from a different Armiger variant that will be released in a separate box?

What I'm starting to wonder is if there's going to be an "Armiger" kit of two, with the directions provided being specific to the Warglaive kit.

I think the clue is in the three Armigers take up one LoW slot. The two you get from Forgebane, and the one you buy as a stand-alone kit.

 Brother Xeones wrote:
I wonder if it is as simple as them not being able to fit in another two frames into the Forgebane box set. They wanted to have two complete forces. What do they drop from the existing roster to accomplish that?

Or the usual release one version in big box, more complete version on their own they like to do. They want to sell separate kit as well later.

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm really considering picking this up for the Necrons. I know the answer is probably "both" but should I start with this or the new Start Collecting box?

The Start Collecting box is hurt badly by having both warriors and immortals in it when you really want to run one or the other (immortals for most lists, warriors if you're doing a Silver Tide). I'd get two Forgebane boxes before investing in the Start Collecting.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm really considering picking this up for the Necrons. I know the answer is probably "both" but should I start with this or the new Start Collecting box?

The Start Collecting box is hurt badly by having both warriors and immortals in it when you really want to run one or the other (immortals for most lists, warriors if you're doing a Silver Tide). I'd get two Forgebane boxes before investing in the Start Collecting.

I'm new to Necrons (Have Forgebane half so far), why would having the two troop choices be a bad thing?

ritualnet wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm really considering picking this up for the Necrons. I know the answer is probably "both" but should I start with this or the new Start Collecting box?

The Start Collecting box is hurt badly by having both warriors and immortals in it when you really want to run one or the other (immortals for most lists, warriors if you're doing a Silver Tide). I'd get two Forgebane boxes before investing in the Start Collecting.

I'm new to Necrons (Have Forgebane half so far), why would having the two troop choices be a bad thing?

Because you are splitting the model amount. He would rather have 20 warriors or 10 immortals for a full unit.

 Brother Xeones wrote:
Perhaps because there are no shoulder pauldrons or whatever other components are also on sprue B that would be needed in order to make a complete Armiger. But if there was more room in the box, maybe it had to do with the pricepoint they wanted to hit or something else... just speculating as to why they might want to do things this way.

But the plastic sprue is worth cents (the real cost is in the mould). So it can't be it. And it would be weird to not have pauldrons on sprue 'A'. The only explanation making sense I can see is that GW energy shortages are so bad they only run production of sprue B to save time/energy swapping moulds as it was not essential for the box anyway...

Raxxamous wrote:

ritualnet wrote:
I'm new to Necrons (Have Forgebane half so far), why would having the two troop choices be a bad thing?

Because you are splitting the model amount. He would rather have 20 warriors or 10 immortals for a full unit.

Eh, dunno about that, Forgebane and SC give you 2x HQ and 3x troop, which is what you want to have full detachment for CP (which Necrons need). You can fill out these units to max size later.

 Irbis wrote:

 Brother Xeones wrote:
Perhaps because there are no shoulder pauldrons or whatever other components are also on sprue B that would be needed in order to make a complete Armiger. But if there was more room in the box, maybe it had to do with the pricepoint they wanted to hit or something else... just speculating as to why they might want to do things this way.

But the plastic sprue is worth cents (the real cost is in the mould). So it can't be it. And it would be weird to not have pauldrons on sprue 'A'. The only explanation making sense I can see is that GW energy shortages are so bad they only run production of sprue B to save time/energy swapping moulds as it was not essential for the box anyway...

Could be that sprue A contains standard pauldrons so as this is an AM box they decided not to include it.

Ezekiel000 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Brother Xeones wrote:
Perhaps because there are no shoulder pauldrons or whatever other components are also on sprue B that would be needed in order to make a complete Armiger. But if there was more room in the box, maybe it had to do with the pricepoint they wanted to hit or something else... just speculating as to why they might want to do things this way.

But the plastic sprue is worth cents (the real cost is in the mould). So it can't be it. And it would be weird to not have pauldrons on sprue 'A'. The only explanation making sense I can see is that GW energy shortages are so bad they only run production of sprue B to save time/energy swapping moulds as it was not essential for the box anyway...

Could be that sprue A contains standard pauldrons so as this is an AM box they decided not to include it.

This seem s the most likely of the theories I've seen.

Raxxamous wrote:

ritualnet wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm really considering picking this up for the Necrons. I know the answer is probably "both" but should I start with this or the new Start Collecting box?

The Start Collecting box is hurt badly by having both warriors and immortals in it when you really want to run one or the other (immortals for most lists, warriors if you're doing a Silver Tide). I'd get two Forgebane boxes before investing in the Start Collecting.

I'm new to Necrons (Have Forgebane half so far), why would having the two troop choices be a bad thing?

Because you are splitting the model amount. He would rather have 20 warriors or 10 immortals for a full unit.

That's it? That's the worst reason? Seeing you need more than 1 unit wouldn't easiest solution get multiples of that then to build up couple big squad cheaply?

I would have presumed reason to be more of synergy. Moa gaming pawaa by having only one type of unit depending on style of list you want and by taking full squad of both you are gimping yourself.

 Stormonu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The question is, are these other faceplates from a "missing" sprue for the Warglaive kit? Or are they from a different Armiger variant that will be released in a separate box?

What I'm starting to wonder is if there's going to be an "Armiger" kit of two, with the directions provided being specific to the Warglaive kit.

I think the clue is in the three Armigers take up one LoW slot. The two you get from Forgebane, and the one you buy as a stand-alone kit.

Ignoring that the instructions are set for 2x and did include parts that we didn't see.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm really considering picking this up for the Necrons. I know the answer is probably "both" but should I start with this or the new Start Collecting box?

The Start Collecting box is hurt badly by having both warriors and immortals in it when you really want to run one or the other (immortals for most lists, warriors if you're doing a Silver Tide). I'd get two Forgebane boxes before investing in the Start Collecting.

Unless you turn your inmortals into Omnicids.

Omnicids? WTF?

 BrookM wrote:
Omnicids? WTF?

He means Deathmarks.

Ok, in english they are Deathmarks... in Spanish they are "Omnicidas" (You know, a mix of "Omniscient" and "Homicidal", because they kill in all four dimensions...). I should check before doing a quick and poor translation next time

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The question is, are these other faceplates from a "missing" sprue for the Warglaive kit? Or are they from a different Armiger variant that will be released in a separate box?

What I'm starting to wonder is if there's going to be an "Armiger" kit of two, with the directions provided being specific to the Warglaive kit.

I think the clue is in the three Armigers take up one LoW slot. The two you get from Forgebane, and the one you buy as a stand-alone kit.

Ignoring that the instructions are set for 2x and did include parts that we didn't see.

The instructions are for Forgebane's kit. The extra parts in the diagrams might be from a full release or might be scrapped faceplates. The x2 is probably just for the box kit itself since the armigers are on the back of Skitarii instructions.

 mmzero252 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The question is, are these other faceplates from a "missing" sprue for the Warglaive kit? Or are they from a different Armiger variant that will be released in a separate box?

What I'm starting to wonder is if there's going to be an "Armiger" kit of two, with the directions provided being specific to the Warglaive kit.

I think the clue is in the three Armigers take up one LoW slot. The two you get from Forgebane, and the one you buy as a stand-alone kit.

Ignoring that the instructions are set for 2x and did include parts that we didn't see.

The instructions are for Forgebane's kit. The extra parts in the diagrams might be from a full release or might be scrapped faceplates. The x2 is probably just for the box kit itself since the armigers are on the back of Skitarii instructions.

The instructions are exactly the same for the Skitarii and Dominus as the individual kits--so there's nothing to suggest that these are "special Forgebane exclusive!" instructions.

They have a PDF file they print them from. If ever you lose or didn't get instructions, Customer Service will usually email it to you.

"Exactly the same" But put into an entirely different format and not just the instructions from the boxes like they do for start collecting kits. Clearly the armiger instruction in Forgebane aren't the full instructions if they plan to have variations. They could easily have added the "x2" for the kit's purposes.

 mmzero252 wrote:
"Exactly the same" But put into an entirely different format and not just the instructions from the boxes like they do for start collecting kits. Clearly the armiger instruction in Forgebane aren't the full instructions if they plan to have variations. They could easily have added the "x2" for the kit's purposes.

Bought any of the new Start Collectings?

The Stormcast Vanguard one is all one booklet.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Really annoyed that my FLGS isn't getting its shipment, the GW rep forgot about it again.. sometimes I worry that the guy is still stuck in the mindset of the previous managerial era and believes actively sabotaging non-GW stockists is still part of his job.

The rep for my local store has forgotten a ton of things off orders lately too. I feel like they hired a bunch of new people recently

I wonder if you have the same new rep we do. Call and call and try and contact them. Finally get thru after like four or five days. Yeah I saw you were trying to get ahold of me, what can I do for you? I’d like to up my preorders for this item. Sorry, that sold out, you should have called sooner.

sounds like an donkey cave to me. I've had to deal with similar types of sales rep in a couple diff industries. You call them to get something on order and they don't call back until after their allocation is all spoken for. WTF screw that GW rep.

[Edited for language by Mod Kilkrazy]

I do want to say our previous rep was pretty good, just had some issues with this new one in the past month or so. Also we did still get enough Forgebanes to cover the preorders we had here plus some for the shelf.

tneva82 wrote:

Raxxamous wrote:

ritualnet wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm really considering picking this up for the Necrons. I know the answer is probably "both" but should I start with this or the new Start Collecting box?

The Start Collecting box is hurt badly by having both warriors and immortals in it when you really want to run one or the other (immortals for most lists, warriors if you're doing a Silver Tide). I'd get two Forgebane boxes before investing in the Start Collecting.

I'm new to Necrons (Have Forgebane half so far), why would having the two troop choices be a bad thing?

Because you are splitting the model amount. He would rather have 20 warriors or 10 immortals for a full unit.

That's it? That's the worst reason? Seeing you need more than 1 unit wouldn't easiest solution get multiples of that then to build up couple big squad cheaply?

I would have presumed reason to be more of synergy. Moa gaming pawaa by having only one type of unit depending on style of list you want and by taking full squad of both you are gimping yourself.

Synergy is the real reason, yes. Like I said, you want warriors only for specific warrior spam lists and immortals for anything else; if you run warriors you run only warriors because they need very specific support in the form of ghost arks and a morale immunity warlord. Immortals work just fine as either a workhorse unit or a cheap detachment filler.