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Yeah, I don’t see what’s wrong with it?

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, I don’t see what’s wrong with it?

I don't expect a response so leave it alone unless there is one.

The rules are kinda crazy for some of them, but they've
been finding a good balance through other stuff tested through
the CID, so I have faith.

 malfred wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:
Thats...
Really dumb?

How so?

Well, to me at least, the unique thing about Warmachine was that it had a core narrative that advanced.
Over the last 10 years since I started the game, its advanced quite a bit.
To suddenly go back in time and make journeyman versions of established characters that wouldn't have actually used any of the newer historically developed jacks and units just seems like a terribly limited idea, almost like they've run out of room to create interesting jourmeyman casters.

The feats, spells and abilities they possess surely could have been pasted onto original sorts without real issue.

I just don't see the point from a design point, if that makes sense? It's not like people are going to rush out in large numbers to buy these protocasters because they happen to be younger versions of themselves, right?

I actually dig the idea in general (just not for this game), but it just seems really out of touch with what makes warmachine different and unique, while also appearing lazy and uninspired.

No offence intended to anyone, that's just my first reaction.

It’s for the 15th anniversary, so I guess it’s a throwback to some of the first casters in the game, 15 years ago.

Makes sense as an anniversary event certainly. Doing it just to do it would be weird, but I like the idea. It's not like they're not ALSO advancing the narrative. Ice princess locked herself up in a mech suit recently after all, another half abandoned his faction and another still is dead (and didn't get better).

Well, for one thing, they can't use their bonded jacks.

I think they're limited in the theme forces that can take them. Not
sure if that's a built in theme force limitation or one tied directly
to the models.

They don't have feats. They're journeymen.

Also, tying them to characters already existing in the game
allows them to design some abilities without worrying about
doubling up.

For instance, Deneghra0 has Parasite. If she wasn't Deneghra0,
then you could have her in a list with Deneghra1 and have
two parasites on the table. I think you can still get that with
another Cryx Warcaster, but I hope you catch my drift.

I find it to be clever design because it lets them include
similar abilities without necessarily amplifying the original
caster. (Though it does create a few "on a stick" type
abilities like Sorscha0 giving Boundless charge to Butcher3).


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 LunarSol wrote:
another still is dead (and didn't get better).

Still pulling for Severius3 entombed in a warjack or vessel, tbh.

Model would just be called : The Highestarch.

 ImAGeek wrote:
It’s for the 15th anniversary, so I guess it’s a throwback to some of the first casters in the game, 15 years ago.

Ah, see I think I missed that part. That makes way more sense.

I want to know how PP can have any kind of anniversary without a new Alexia sculpt

 Siygess wrote:
I want to know how PP can have any kind of anniversary without a new Alexia sculpt

Maybe they have a busy or minicrate in the works. Here’s hoping!

 Siygess wrote:
I want to know how PP can have any kind of anniversary without a new Alexia sculpt

That's what they did for the 10 year anniversary of the Witchfire Trilogy.

Seeing the age of that model now has me feeling very very old.

No Sorcha preview was shown off?

 BrookM wrote:
No Sorcha preview was shown off?

I found this very odd too.

Warmachine has a small but loyal following in my region. Eclipsed by other games, but regular events monthly. Nice to see PP finally releasing a new WM faction, but I somewhat wish they would use their creativity for a new side game as well. Something other than mon-poc.

Wasn't the last side game that Area 51 board game, that had the name of the PP owner plastered all over it? Or have they released other stuff in the interim as well? It's been a while since I last had a good look at PP.

They've not had a ton of luck with the board game side of things. The first Level 7 game is pretty good, but had cardboard standouts in a time where minis were already the baseline from a minis company and that didn't go over well. The second was easily their best and a great dungeon crawler but kind of a crowded market. The third I haven't heard a whole lot either way, but it didn't help that it was XCOM about the time FFG released the official XCOM game.

Other than that the big problem is just that they don't have much goodwill in the boardgame crowd. Most of their side game have been super random silly Bodger cardgames that just aren't very good. Zombies Keep Out is actually pretty great, but the Bodger brand as a whole is pretty terrible.

 malfred wrote:
Today they revealed that there would be Caster0s for the Warmachine 15th anniversary.

These are Warcasters from Prime as they were as Journeyman. It's going to be Sorscha0, Caine0, Severius0, and Deneghra0.

A neat idea for a 15th anniversary promo. I kind of wish they'd steer away from reusing the old characters over and over again (I think this is the 4 iteration for most of them). Or at least give us super cool versions of casters which have never had a second sculpt (the Lich lords, the harbinger, Darius, and of course, Colossal Karchev!!!1!!!).

It's easy enough to build a list without using the same person for your two caster choices, but having to maneuver around solos is a bit limiting. Especially for factions who don't have generic journeymen casters. i think one caster, plus an 'alt' version is more than enough. I did like that the character journeymen got their own full fledged casters though. I would love too see more like the minion warlock solos as well. Journeymen + unique jacks that come as a single 'team'.

 skullking wrote:

 malfred wrote:
Today they revealed that there would be Caster0s for the Warmachine 15th anniversary.

These are Warcasters from Prime as they were as Journeyman. It's going to be Sorscha0, Caine0, Severius0, and Deneghra0.

A neat idea for a 15th anniversary promo. I kind of wish they'd steer away from reusing the old characters over and over again (I think this is the 4 iteration for most of them). Or at least give us super cool versions of casters which have never had a second sculpt (the Lich lords, the harbinger, Darius, and of course, Colossal Karchev!!!1!!!).

It's easy enough to build a list without using the same person for your two caster choices, but having to maneuver around solos is a bit limiting. Especially for factions who don't have generic journeymen casters. i think one caster, plus an 'alt' version is more than enough. I did like that the character journeymen got their own full fledged casters though. I would love too see more like the minion warlock solos as well. Journeymen + unique jacks that come as a single 'team'.

As a 15th anniversary thing though, it makes sense they'd be using the prime casters. These
guys were around 15 years ago. Darius and the rest weren't yet.

 malfred wrote:

 skullking wrote:

 malfred wrote:
Today they revealed that there would be Caster0s for the Warmachine 15th anniversary.

These are Warcasters from Prime as they were as Journeyman. It's going to be Sorscha0, Caine0, Severius0, and Deneghra0.

A neat idea for a 15th anniversary promo. I kind of wish they'd steer away from reusing the old characters over and over again (I think this is the 4 iteration for most of them). Or at least give us super cool versions of casters which have never had a second sculpt (the Lich lords, the harbinger, Darius, and of course, Colossal Karchev!!!1!!!)

As a 15th anniversary thing though, it makes sense they'd be using the prime casters. These
guys were around 15 years ago. Darius and the rest weren't yet.

Agreed. But how many versions of the same character is too many? I like the idea of reusing characters, but you should be somewhat consistent. It seems like some casters get several iterations, while others don’t get any (not referring to the anniversary in this instance, just so there’s no confusion, just caster remakes in general). Why not just hold the 3rd versions of these casters for the anniversary? Maybe do new versions of some of the prime jacks, or solos? Perhaps resculpts of the widow makers, or the choir, or other iconic prime units? A character unit of the original prime widow makers, or bane thralls would be epic! (Somewhat literally in the PP sense ). Just sayin, I would have liked any of those better than a journeyman I can’t use with 3 of my casters.

I think it's because these characters are core to the game and its identity.

I like all the things you mention, but I don't know that they fit as well
for the 15th anniversary.

PP have their issues but they've done a great job of always making narrative model/rules introductions additive instead of subtractive (looking at you Corvus Belli).

While not opposed to the idea of them, they seem a bit bonkers on the power level at the moment with the spells they bring with them. Also they’re apparently going to be con exclusives as well I’ve heard.

Holden Hollowmen attachment

Well, the name "Hollow Holden" has ruined it for me. It sounds like a Twitter nickname. "Hollow Holden can't get over his sister. More like Loser in the Rye. Sad."

The miniature itself looks like an older Malifaux sculpt to me.

His name has always been Holden and he's a Hollowman. I dont know what else youd call him.

Also EVERYTHING looks like a Malifaux sculpt because that game has like a dozen genres in it now.

Who is that guy, and why does he have the Crazy Frog on his shoulders?

He was a character from a narative Campaign thing they did around the time Grymkin were releasing. I didn’t play that one so I don’t really know the details, just recognize the name.

I didn't really pay attention to the story details, but basically, he was just some guy that had been marked for damnation that the Grymkin were coming for. There was a narrative campaign where he grew as a character getting new rules as it went along that culminated in players trying to defend him at Lock 'n Load when the Grymkin came to claim him. They failed and he instead ended up one of the poor souls confined to the ranks of the Hollowmen. Had he survived they would have made him a Merc solo instead.

Has anyone done Privateer's mini crate so far?

I'm really tempted by the vampire hunter ashley. Are they metal, resin, or both?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Has anyone done Privateer's mini crate so far?

I'm really tempted by the vampire hunter ashley. Are they metal, resin, or both?

I believe they're all metal. I know a few people that have done it and quite like it. It seems well worth signing up for even if just for a month if there's a model you really want.