Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**momerathe**

Sorry, not "all it does". The fact remains though, that it modifies your move characteristic. Nowhere does it say you move OR advance.

**torblind**

Treating a weapon as an Assault weapon surely means you get -1 to hit if you advance, as you would with an assault weapon.

if you advance your sautekh warriors, wouldn't you fire their rapid fire weapons with -1 to hit then?

**UncleJetMints**

So I've starting building necrons (knowing they are not competitive, but i don't play competitive) and I was wondering if the forgeworld pylon kit can build all of them or are they all separate kits?

**CthuluIsSpy**

momerathe wrote:
Sorry, not "all it does". The fact remains though, that it modifies your move characteristic. Nowhere does it say you move OR advance.

Fair enough, but there are still weapon restrictions put into place if you advance.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

torblind wrote:
Treating a weapon as an Assault weapon surely means you get -1 to hit if you advance, as you would with an assault weapon.

if you advance your sautekh warriors, wouldn't you fire their rapid fire weapons with -1 to hit then?

Yep, that's how it works.
You also can't double tap with them, as they are no longer rapid fire.

**mrWermut**

Sounds reasonable.

**Lothmar**

Whats Gauss Pylons point cost?

Didn't see it on the points cost area but figured cause it's FW.

----

Also would grand illusion, TP matrix or similiar place on the board after game has started abilities count as 'movement' for purposes of Nihilakhs reroll to hits of 1 ability?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Is timesplinter cloak an invul save, or is it a Feel no pain esque ability and if you also have invul then you have armor or invul (use better) and cloaks 5+?

**p5freak**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
momerathe wrote:
Sorry, not "all it does". The fact remains though, that it modifies your move characteristic. Nowhere does it say you move OR advance.

Fair enough, but there are still weapon restrictions put into place if you advance.

Of course you can shoot sautekh destroyer guns after advancing with -1 to hit.

Sautekh dynasty code

If a unit with this code Advances, it treats all ranged weapons it is equipped with as Assault weapons until the end of the turn (e.g. a Rapid Fire 1 weapon is treated as an Assault 1 weapon, and a Heavy D6 weapon is treated as an Assault D6 weapon etc.).

The heavy 3 gauss cannon becomes an assault 3 gauss cannon.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Lothmar wrote:
Whats Gauss Pylons point cost?

Gauss pylon is 550 pts.

Lothmar wrote:

Also would grand illusion, TP matrix or similiar place on the board after game has started abilities count as 'movement' for purposes of Nihilakhs reroll to hits of 1 ability?

Grand illusion is before the first turn. Thus, it doesnt count as movement. Teleportation matrix happens at the end of the movement phase, thus it counts as movement.

Lothmar wrote:

Is timesplinter cloak an invul save, or is it a Feel no pain esque ability and if you also have invul then you have armor or invul (use better) and cloaks 5+?

Timesplinter cloak is a FNP like ability. In 8th its just called ignore wound. If you have an inv you choose that first, and after that the timesplinter cloak for every wound.

**CthuluIsSpy**

p5freak wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
momerathe wrote:
Sorry, not "all it does". The fact remains though, that it modifies your move characteristic. Nowhere does it say you move OR advance.

Fair enough, but there are still weapon restrictions put into place if you advance.

Of course you can shoot sautekh destroyer guns after advancing with -1 to hit.

Sautekh dynasty code

If a unit with this code Advances, it treats all ranged weapons it is equipped with as Assault weapons until the end of the turn (e.g. a Rapid Fire 1 weapon is treated as an Assault 1 weapon, and a Heavy D6 weapon is treated as an Assault D6 weapon etc.).

The heavy 3 gauss cannon becomes an assault 3 gauss cannon.

Yes, that's an exception. You can't shoot it with no penalty though, which is what the original claim was.

**Lothmar**

Can a ghost ark with Nephrekh dynasty carry other dynasty characters?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Nm, found the entry.

**vict0988**

Lothmar wrote:
Thanks.

Man, I feel like I knew this when stuff came out...

Necrons can compartmentalize their forces into various dynasty factions correct? Just gotta make sure buff/heals etc can work where needed.

ex: Mephrit artillery, Nephrekh scarabs, sautekh leadership / some infantry etc

Necron Codex page 82 and 108.

Lothmar wrote:
Whats Gauss Pylons point cost?

Didn't see it on the points cost area but figured cause it's FW.

----

Also would grand illusion, TP matrix or similiar place on the board after game has started abilities count as 'movement' for purposes of Nihilakhs reroll to hits of 1 ability?

Is timesplinter cloak an invul save, or is it a Feel no pain esque ability and if you also have invul then you have armor or invul (use better) and cloaks 5+?

Gauss Pylon's cost was changed in CA 2017, you can find the cost on page 123.

Grand Illusion happens before the first turn and is not considered moving, Reinforcements count as moving the turn they arrive, it seems like you're due for another read-through of the main rulebook. You'll have to read it several times before it sticks, thankfully it's short this edition.

Does it say it's an invulnerable save? If it's not invulnerable it's FNP and it won't stack with the WL trait found in the core rules. Nihilakh is generally considered the weakest faction, Tesla Immortals, Pylons and DDAs are your best options. The littler Pylons aren't too too bad, they were considered for competetive Necron lists between the time the first CA hit and the Necron Codex, now it's just not as good as the DDA.

UncleJetMints wrote:
So I've starting building necrons (knowing they are not competitive, but i don't play competitive) and I was wondering if the forgeworld pylon kit can build all of them or are they all separate kits?

Separate, it seems you can't even buy the heat version which is sadly the best version. Try and contact FW and see if they have it or if one of the other kits contain the bits needed. Alternatively you could buy a Triarch Stalker, give it twin heavy gauss because that's the best option, then use the heat weapon from the Stalker to convert one of the little Pylons to the heat variant.

**torblind**

Lothmar wrote:
Whats Gauss Pylons point cost?

Didn't see it on the points cost area but figured cause it's FW.

----

Also would grand illusion, TP matrix or similiar place on the board after game has started abilities count as 'movement' for purposes of Nihilakhs reroll to hits of 1 ability?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Is timesplinter cloak an invul save, or is it a Feel no pain esque ability and if you also have invul then you have armor or invul (use better) and cloaks 5+?

It's not what you're asking, but its worth pointing out - the Gauss Pylon doesn't suffer -1 to hit because of moving, as the main gun isn't a heavy weapon, it's a macro weapon.

**Blndmage**

torblind wrote:
Lothmar wrote:
Whats Gauss Pylons point cost?

Didn't see it on the points cost area but figured cause it's FW.

----

Also would grand illusion, TP matrix or similiar place on the board after game has started abilities count as 'movement' for purposes of Nihilakhs reroll to hits of 1 ability?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Is timesplinter cloak an invul save, or is it a Feel no pain esque ability and if you also have invul then you have armor or invul (use better) and cloaks 5+?

It's not what you're asking, but its worth pointing out - the Gauss Pylon doesn't suffer -1 to hit because of moving, as the main gun isn't a heavy weapon, it's a macro weapon.

Also because they are Immoble and can't move.

Only the smaller, Sentry Pylons can move, and only 3".

**Lothmar**

Ok here's some list ideas im throwing together in my head for the shop game I mentioned.

All participants get 2k in an unholy alliance vs the hosts force (think 10k imperial soup).
Demon player is going Tank with invul / fnp mob and maybe some demon lords like red boi etc to draw agro.
Imp Guard player is playing knights (small ones and medium one I think) and lots of armor/tanks so long range and advancing armor.
Havent confirmed what Tau's doing but possibly 1 or 2 of them.

Taking suggestion builds as well since I haven't played in months and dont have my codex atm cause my laptop is down.

Note- i'd prefer to have as little as possible to manage cause that's shorter turns and there's going to be lots of other models out there so taking up less space can be helpful.

2k list

Spoiler:

**vict0988**

Blndmage wrote:
torblind wrote:
Lothmar wrote:
Whats Gauss Pylons point cost?

Didn't see it on the points cost area but figured cause it's FW.

----

Also would grand illusion, TP matrix or similiar place on the board after game has started abilities count as 'movement' for purposes of Nihilakhs reroll to hits of 1 ability?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Is timesplinter cloak an invul save, or is it a Feel no pain esque ability and if you also have invul then you have armor or invul (use better) and cloaks 5+?

It's not what you're asking, but its worth pointing out - the Gauss Pylon doesn't suffer -1 to hit because of moving, as the main gun isn't a heavy weapon, it's a macro weapon.

Also because they are Immoble and can't move.

Only the smaller, Sentry Pylons can move, and only 3".

I think he was referring to when a Sentry Pylon arrives from reinforcements it'll be hitting on 4+, while the Gauss Pylon hits on 3+ when arriving this way, neither benefits from Nihilakh when they arrive from reinforcements. It makes Sautekh a relatively much better option on Sentry Pylons compared to Gauss Pylons, also because they don't benefit as much from +1 to saving throws Strat.

**torblind**

That I did.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Lothmar wrote:
Ok here's some list ideas im throwing together in my head for the shop game I mentioned.

All participants get 2k in an unholy alliance vs the hosts force (think 10k imperial soup).
Demon player is going Tank with invul / fnp mob and maybe some demon lords like red boi etc to draw agro.
Imp Guard player is playing knights (small ones and medium one I think) and lots of armor/tanks so long range and advancing armor.
Havent confirmed what Tau's doing but possibly 1 or 2 of them.

Taking suggestion builds as well since I haven't played in months and dont have my codex atm cause my laptop is down.

Note- i'd prefer to have as little as possible to manage cause that's shorter turns and there's going to be lots of other models out there so taking up less space can be helpful.

2k list

Spoiler:

(Artillery guard, waiting to TP up and engage)
Nephrek Overlord (Hyperphase sword, Veil) - 87
Warriors 20x - 240

(Backline fire support)
Cloak Cryptek (Repair) 90
Nihilakh Doomsday Ark - 193
Nihilakh Doomsday Ark - 193
Spyders (fab claw) 70
Spyders (fab claw) 70
Spyders (fab claw) 70

Derp derp advance
Nephrek Scarabs - 3x - 39
Nephrek Scarabs - 3x - 39

DS Reserve
Nephrek Lychguard 10x - 340 (held with CP)
Mephrit Deathmark 10x - 190
Mephrit Deathmark 10x - 190
Mephrit Deathmark 10x - 190

-----
v2 (Dynastic heirlooms -1cp ; +3 CP)

Zoomy zoomy shooty Harassment
Mephrit Catacomb command Barge - (Staff of lightning, Tesla Cannon, Rez orb, Light field )196
Mephrit Destroyer lord (Staff) - 120
Mephrit Destroyers (50x4)+57) 4x destroyer, 1 heavy destroyer ; 257
Mephrit Annihilation barge - 146
Mephrit Annihilation barge - 146
Mephrit Annihilation barge - 146

(following the advance of forces as a screen till in range)
Nightbringer - 210
Nephrek Scarabs - 3x 39
Nephrek Scarabs - 3x 39

(Hunting in hyperspace, waiting for a target of opportunity or an area of the battlefield that needs pushed in desperately)
Mephrit Deathmark 10x - 190
Mephrit Deathmark 10x - 190

(Backline Ally Artillery guard till they port up to lend fire support)
Mephrit Cryptek 80 (veil)
Mephrit Warriors 20x - 240

----
V3

Zoomy zoomy shooty Harassment
Mephrit Catacomb command Barge - (Staff of lightning, Tesla Cannon, Rez orb, Light field )196
Mephrit Destroyer lord (Staff) - 120
Mephrit Destroyers (50x4)+57) 4x destroyer, 1 heavy destroyer ; 257

(Hunting in hyperspace, waiting for a target of opportunity or an area of the battlefield that needs pushed in desperately)
Mephrit Deathmark 10x - 190
Mephrit Deathmark 10x - 190

(following the advance of forces as a screen till in range)
Transcendant Ctan - 225
Nightbringer - 210
Nephrek Scarabs - 3x 39
Nephrek Scarabs - 3x 39

(Backline artillery)
Doomsday Ark - 193
Doomsday Ark - 193

(Backline Artillery guard till they port up to lend fire support)
Mephrit Cryptek 80 (veil)
Mephrit Warriors 20x - 240

About the Spyders, in a 10k game I think the moment he starts shooting at a DDArk, it dies before you get to repair it.

**COLD CASH**

vict0988 wrote:
Blndmage wrote:
torblind wrote:
Lothmar wrote:
Whats Gauss Pylons point cost?

Didn't see it on the points cost area but figured cause it's FW.

----

Also would grand illusion, TP matrix or similiar place on the board after game has started abilities count as 'movement' for purposes of Nihilakhs reroll to hits of 1 ability?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Is timesplinter cloak an invul save, or is it a Feel no pain esque ability and if you also have invul then you have armor or invul (use better) and cloaks 5+?

It's not what you're asking, but its worth pointing out - the Gauss Pylon doesn't suffer -1 to hit because of moving, as the main gun isn't a heavy weapon, it's a macro weapon.

Also because they are Immoble and can't move.

Only the smaller, Sentry Pylons can move, and only 3".

I think he was referring to when a Sentry Pylon arrives from reinforcements it'll be hitting on 4+, while the Gauss Pylon hits on 3+ when arriving this way, neither benefits from Nihilakh when they arrive from reinforcements. It makes Sautekh a relatively much better option on Sentry Pylons compared to Gauss Pylons, also because they don't benefit as much from +1 to saving throws Strat.

Hes saying its macro so no -1 to hit for the gauss pylon, unless shooting at a non flyer.

**Lothmar**

Nah I was checking if our LoW pylons Teleportation matrix counted as movement (which was yes apparently) for purposes of the Nihilakh dynasty bonus.

Ie if I hold it off board for safety in case init seized etc cause nothing sucks more then losing that many points straight out the gate.

----

Tor - Hmm, I see what you mean.. Maybe im hoping the QS will put in work. **chuckle** But if they do survive I want to be able to hopefully get them up to the next highest degradation, though I suppose the mandatory cryptek to get the CP can do that for bottom to mid ranking easy enough.

So subtract the spyders and add just 1 extra DDA and a better weapon for the OL then for list 1?

**p5freak**

The gauss pylon is somewhat strange to me. It's main targets are obviously TITANIC FLY units. I can't think of any I would normally encounter in a 2k 40k game. When was this thing released and why ?

**Lothmar**

p5 - Yeah I noticed that too and never run into both at once. *chuckle*

So I usually only use them if im expecting titanic stuff or very beefy fliers/armor or if I want to give some DDA's an invul save.

The games this Saturday.
The shop host / bday boy gets 10k, all comers against them with 2k armies working together in an unholy alliance.

----

Spoiler:

Automatically Appended Next Post:
For a harassment/assassin catacomb command barge which do you think is the better artifact to pair with Merciless Tyrant?

Lightning field for the 4+ invul survivability and 50% chance to generate a MW per unit closeby.

Or Voltaic Staff for +1 Weapon Str, AP and Dmg compared to a staff of light (assuming this is what you'll go for with Merciless Tyrant.

---

Also, has anyone used Resurrection Protocols on a CCBarge after it's exploded?

I laughed at the mental image of the vehicle exploding from being melee swarmed, the enemies cheering their victory only to look over as the vehicle lands after having flow up / backwards to land wherever it ends up 1" away at the end of the fight phase. *chuckle*

**iGuy91**

p5freak wrote:
The gauss pylon is somewhat strange to me. It's main targets are obviously TITANIC FLY units. I can't think of any I would normally encounter in a 2k 40k game. When was this thing released and why ?

The Pylon was released a LONG time ago. Its a very old kit thats been in use since the 3rd ed codex, best I'm aware.
That being said, a base 2+ BS means it gets a 3+ to hit vs ground targets, which is juuust fine tbh. 2+ vs flyers is just gravy, and the base 2+ BS only really comes into play vs large flyers in games with such a target present, where it takes damage.

**torblind**

iGuy91 wrote:
p5freak wrote:
The gauss pylon is somewhat strange to me. It's main targets are obviously TITANIC FLY units. I can't think of any I would normally encounter in a 2k 40k game. When was this thing released and why ?

The Pylon was released a LONG time ago. Its a very old kit thats been in use since the 3rd ed codex, best I'm aware.
That being said, a base 2+ BS means it gets a 3+ to hit vs ground targets, which is juuust fine tbh. 2+ vs flyers is just gravy, and the base 2+ BS only really comes into play vs large flyers in games with such a target present, where it takes damage.

It's a nice counter for the -1 to hit that some flyers have

**iGuy91**

Fair point. I think it packs plenty of firepower. Issue is its hard to keep it survivable outside of taking it Nihiliakh to get access to the save boosting strategem.

**Kahi the Uncertain**

p5freak wrote:
The gauss pylon is somewhat strange to me. It's main targets are obviously TITANIC FLY units. I can't think of any I would normally encounter in a 2k 40k game. When was this thing released and why ?

I think the pylon's rules in this edition are based on fluff rather than what would actually make sense in terms of the game. In for example the fall of damnos, pylons are used to shoot down starships in orbit, which corresponds well with how they decided to stat it. In terms of what you'll actually see in a game, however, it makes no sense.

**tneva82**

p5freak wrote:
The gauss pylon is somewhat strange to me. It's main targets are obviously TITANIC FLY units. I can't think of any I would normally encounter in a 2k 40k game. When was this thing released and why ?

40k has more options than just 2k game. Funny that FW unit would be designed to work with other FW units. There's for example this 1128 pts very iconic titanic flyer unit available. Now albeit that's not often fielded but neither are titans yet rules exists for those.

**Neophyte2012**

Kahi the Uncertain wrote:
p5freak wrote:
The gauss pylon is somewhat strange to me. It's main targets are obviously TITANIC FLY units. I can't think of any I would normally encounter in a 2k 40k game. When was this thing released and why ?

I think the pylon's rules in this edition are based on fluff rather than what would actually make sense in terms of the game. In for example the fall of damnos, pylons are used to shoot down starships in orbit, which corresponds well with how they decided to stat it. In terms of what you'll actually see in a game, however, it makes no sense.

Do Magnus or Mortarion has the Titanic keyword?

I believe that super giant Tzeentch Daemon Lord bird has Titanic and fly. And pretty sure Annaggrath has it. But the price for these Daemon Lords are... well maybe only suitable for 3000pts games. So it basically come down to the Daemon Primarchs, if they had "Titanic"

**tneva82**

Neophyte2012 wrote:
Kahi the Uncertain wrote:
p5freak wrote:
The gauss pylon is somewhat strange to me. It's main targets are obviously TITANIC FLY units. I can't think of any I would normally encounter in a 2k 40k game. When was this thing released and why ?

I think the pylon's rules in this edition are based on fluff rather than what would actually make sense in terms of the game. In for example the fall of damnos, pylons are used to shoot down starships in orbit, which corresponds well with how they decided to stat it. In terms of what you'll actually see in a game, however, it makes no sense.

Do Magnus or Mortarion has the Titanic keyword?

I believe that super giant Tzeentch Daemon Lord bird has Titanic and fly. And pretty sure Annaggrath has it. But the price for these Daemon Lords are... well maybe only suitable for 3000pts games. So it basically come down to the Daemon Primarchs, if they had "Titanic"

Negative on primarch, positive for the big tzeentch and khorne greater daemons.

In competive 2k you won't face flying titanic units. Good thing then 40k is more than just competive 2k.

**torblind**

After seeing a battle report where a guy had printed small nice magic like cards for his characters and some other units, I thought they looked awesome, and just had to have that.

Turns out they are created with "Magic Set Editor". I created the full necron set, attached as an mse file that you can open with said program (which is free), and a pdf print out of the current version of things. I'm not 100% done proof reading them, but thought I'd throw it out there.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
come to think of it, the information contained on those cards might be stretching it. It is copied from battlescribe though.

**moonsmite**

So what are peoples thoughts on this?

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads//Forgeworld_Necron_Seraptek_Datasheet.pdf

find it fairly meh, but want it to decide how i feel

**Biasn**

Its way to expensive (625pts)
Weapons are meh and only a 5++
Its nearly unplayable.

**Arachnofiend**

The Towering Construct rule is kinda neat. Would like to see that applied as a general rule to all weirdly shaped walkers like that (obviously thinking of the Triarch Stalker here).

As for the actual mechanics... Yeah that's bad. It has the usual Necron problem of having tons of AP when all the targets you'd want to shoot it at have high invuln saves. With only a 3+/5++ protecting it it's basically a Castellan with none of the things people use to protect their Castellans, which means it's gonna get blown the hell of the table before you even get to shoot with it.

I have no idea why you would go for the Singularity Generators when you get the Synaptic Obliterators and Transdimensional Projectors for the same cost.