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"Silver Tide" would be an obviously thematic one.

Something for Triarch units as well, perhaps?

momerathe wrote:
"Silver Tide" would be an obviously thematic one.

Something for Triarch units as well, perhaps?

I'd like to see a Phalanx formation that gives benefits to infantry marching up the table (so probably Warriors, Immortals, and Lychguard). It'd need to be really good to push that concept to viability, though.

We won't be getting anything for Vigilus, so it's pointless to wishlist.

We just need to hope that Chapter Approved helps the army out.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

momerathe wrote:
"Silver Tide" would be an obviously thematic one.

Something for Triarch units as well, perhaps?

I'd like to see a Phalanx formation that gives benefits to infantry marching up the table (so probably Warriors, Immortals, and Lychguard). It'd need to be really good to push that concept to viability, though.

4+ FNP that you only need to pass once to survive multi-damage wounds

 vict0988 wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

momerathe wrote:
"Silver Tide" would be an obviously thematic one.

Something for Triarch units as well, perhaps?

I'd like to see a Phalanx formation that gives benefits to infantry marching up the table (so probably Warriors, Immortals, and Lychguard). It'd need to be really good to push that concept to viability, though.

4+ FNP that you only need to pass once to survive multi-damage wounds

Come on thats tau drone tactics. (and now orks)

Do we really wanna lower ourselves to their level

Rerolling RP would be ok

Or, this formation being the thing that finally lets you roll for completely dead units?

moonsmite wrote:

 vict0988 wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

momerathe wrote:
"Silver Tide" would be an obviously thematic one.

Something for Triarch units as well, perhaps?

I'd like to see a Phalanx formation that gives benefits to infantry marching up the table (so probably Warriors, Immortals, and Lychguard). It'd need to be really good to push that concept to viability, though.

4+ FNP that you only need to pass once to survive multi-damage wounds

Come on thats tau drone tactics. (and now orks)

Do we really wanna lower ourselves to their level

I don't think anyone gets a 4+ FNP, that'd be a huge pain to get through. Especially if it somehow ignored multi-damage.

Sorry its a FNP of 5+ on the drones. but they do turn a multi-damage to one mortal wound.

And it is a huge pain to get through

 vict0988 wrote:

I don't think anyone gets a 4+ FNP, that'd be a huge pain to get through. Especially if it somehow ignored multi-damage.

Not true. DG characters can get the revoltingly resilient warlord trait, which is +1 to DR, making it a 4+ FNP. Doesnt work against MW, though.

After seeing the new Sister preview im asking myself why stormbolters can get a byond broken strat but gauss weapons are kinda gak-tier.

Why are we discussing Formations? We clearly get NOTHING!

Is the situation so desperate that we arouse ourselves on rules that will never happen?

Biasn wrote:
After seeing the new Sister preview im asking myself why stormbolters can get a byond broken strat but gauss weapons are kinda gak-tier.

To be fair, Necrons were one of the earlier codices. The early codices are a lot tamer and blander than what we have now.
Hopefully GW will bring necrons up to par.

Just went up againgst a necron list yesterday I hadn't seen before.


CCB
Overlord/w blade

3x10 tesla immortals

2x overlord/w blade

3x10 tesla immortals

3x AB





The damage output is ridiculous but its very static. Used the dynasty that rerolls 1's when they dont move in shooting and gave MWBD to 5 squads of immortals per turn.


I won the match, but i didnt score that hot as it took me so long to get past the immortals i didnt have enough firepower left to take out the barges.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
Just went up againgst a necron list yesterday I hadn't seen before.


CCB
Overlord/w blade

3x10 tesla immortals

2x overlord/w blade

3x10 tesla immortals

3x AB


The damage output is ridiculous but its very static. Used the dynasty that rerolls 1's when they dont move in shooting and gave MWBD to 5 squads of immortals per turn.


I won the match, but i didnt score that hot as it took me so long to get past the immortals i didnt have enough firepower left to take out the barges.

Sounds like it would be hilarious against the perfect match up, like 120 boys or 90 gaunts

 IHateNids wrote:
Rerolling RP would be ok

Or, this formation being the thing that finally lets you roll for completely dead units?

This would be very salt inducing for our opponents when a full squad of warriors stands up after getting wiped the previous turn.

I like it

 Tauris_Blazestar wrote:

 IHateNids wrote:
Rerolling RP would be ok

Or, this formation being the thing that finally lets you roll for completely dead units?

This would be very salt inducing for our opponents when a full squad of warriors stands up after getting wiped the previous turn.

I like it

Merry side effect of them experiencing the same as we do from pretty much unadulterated favouritism...

but maybe I'm biased :p

Here

Oooh finally.
Warriors down to 11 is nice, wraiths got a nice 7pt reduction, and anni barges seem right at 100.
Monoliths are 400 currently, right? So that's an 80pt reduction. Not bad.
The arks got some nice reductions too.
Overall, our vehicles are much cheaper now.

Oooh I just saw the weapons page.
Blasters and carbines are down to 7 points, which, oddly enough, is the points cost that I thought was appropiate. This means immortals are now cheaper by 2 points. Not bad.
So both of our troops got cheaper. I like this change.

Interesting, shieldguard and scytheguard are now the same points cost.
Warscythes are 9, shield + sword is also 9.

Heavy Gauss Cannon is now the same points cost as a Gauss cannon, which means that destroyers and heavy destroyers are the same. Curious choice, but I could see the logic.

I dont want to be a pessimist but i think that wont really cut it overall...

The cheaper unis are a good start, but there might be stats and rules changes too. We'll have to see the whole picture first.

Finally. Some pretty nice reductions overall, assumimg nothing has been nerfed. My 1750 list went down maybe 100 points. The only enormous disappointment is Flayed Ones weren't touched.

Yeah, I'm surprised they weren't touch too. Maybe they received a better save or something.

I don't know how many points my army dropped by. I have several lists, so I can't really use that as an indicator.

If I were to give a rough estimate, maybe at least 400? That's like 10% of my collection.

Praetorian's from 22 to 16 is great, and the stalker from 117 to 85 is a big boost. Both kinda needed a rule change, but it's a positive change all the same.

Stalker gets cheaper still: heat ray, 54 to 40. Heavy Gauss cannon 27 to 20. Shredder 41 to 30.

Monolith from 381 to 320 is nice.

Gauss blaster and Tesla carbine dropping by two points means warriors are still worthless, but our troop slots are less of a tax.

Dispersion sheilds have halved in price from 12! Warscythes have lost three pts too, so all in all our elites are much better...

Cheaper Lord's make have tax easier to swallow.

Obelisk is still pricey for what it does, but it's a good point drop. Vault got the expect huge hike.

Deathmarks only dropped 2pts, and nothing for flayed ones. I hope there are rules changes to support this...

You guys think there will be rule changes in CA?

There was last time, but I don't know. Apparently there won't be, as GW didn't mention it in their article, so we'll have to see.

I'm not too sure about rules changes, but given that Heavy Desroyers are the exact same cost as normal destroyers now, might it be worth sprinkling them into lists again?

1 unit of three, or run 3x 5+1, purely and simply because we can?

By changing the weapon costs, not only did Immortals go down by 2pts, but it makes Tomb Blades cheaper as well.

well that's all pretty good, one of my list is now cheaper by 153 points.

should I add more tomb blade, or is an annihilation barge or maybe tomb stalker worth it now?

 IHateNids wrote:
I'm not too sure about rules changes, but given that Heavy Desroyers are the exact same cost as normal destroyers now, might it be worth sprinkling them into lists again?

1 unit of three, or run 3x 5+1, purely and simply because we can?

They probably made that change for exactly that. As destroyers and heavies are now the same cost, there is really nothing to lose by mixing squads anymore. You lose a couple of shots, but you get a stronger one in return, that would benefit from extermination protocols. For free. It now comes down to preference; do you want many shots, or a few shots and one really strong one?
Should add a bit more flexibility in a list.
A pity though that its capped out at one heavy destroyer per squad. It would be nice if it were 2 heavies per 3.

Niiiice. I like what I'm seeing, since I tend to lean on my troops. Means I get..whaddya know...more troops. Wraiths got cheaper too. Probably saves me 100-200 points a list.

Doomsday Arks dropping to 160 is huge guys. Thats 30 points savings a model. Thats 3 scarab bases for objective holding and area denial, easy.