Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]

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**Nightfish**

Local ITC tourney coming up in a couple weeks. I've been out of the loop for over a year, so looking for c&c to cover what I've missed.

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**torblind**

I feel naked leaving home without any tesla immortals, but your meta might be different. Love the tomb blades though.

**CKO**

My tomb world is just now activating, how many command points do I get with this brigade detachment?

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Did I do that correctly? Most importantly how many command points is this?(10)

**torblind**

Seems right. I always use battlescribe for lists, it tells you if it's valid.

What's a brigade... 8 CP? So 11 in total then. (+3 for being battleforged)

**p5freak**

Brigade is 12, has been changed in the big FAQ 2 2018, you guys should check the FAQS.
However, a brigade usually isn't worth the tax it brings, which is 3 fast attack and 3 elites, compared to two battalions Two battalions is more point efficient.

**CKO**

p5freak wrote:
Brigade is 12, has been changed in the big FAQ 2 2018, you guys should check the FAQS.
However, a brigade usually isn't worth the tax it brings, which is 3 fast attack and 3 elites, compared to two battalions Two battalions is more point efficient.

Thanks for the advice on the FAQS, I am litterally getting back into the game last time playing was 7th Ed. If I go two battalions I will have 9 command points instead of 12 and I will have to pay for an extra hq slot as the tax, correct? However I can pick my other units as I please, that is something to think about and great advice, thank you.

What are the best powers of the C'tan?

**torblind**

CKO wrote:
p5freak wrote:
Brigade is 12, has been changed in the big FAQ 2 2018, you guys should check the FAQS.
However, a brigade usually isn't worth the tax it brings, which is 3 fast attack and 3 elites, compared to two battalions Two battalions is more point efficient.

Thanks for the advice on the FAQS, I am litterally getting back into the game last time playing was 7th Ed. If I go two battalions I will have 9 command points instead of 12 and I will have to pay for an extra hq slot as the tax, correct? However I can pick my other units as I please, that is something to think about and great advice, thank you.

battalions are 5CP each, making it 13 total

**CKO**

Thank you torblind I was looking all over the place and getting different images I just found the correct one.

**Odrankt**

What are the best powers of the C'tan?

Depends on the C'tan doings the power and the target unit.

If playing Deceiver/Nightbringer/Trascedant C'tan than Antimatter Meteor, Cosmic Fire and Times Arrow.

On a vault nearly all powers are good.

Against a horde army you would want to pick Seismic Assault

**Barnie25**

Odrankt wrote:
What are the best powers of the C'tan?

Depends on the C'tan doings the power and the target unit.

If playing Deceiver/Nightbringer/Trascedant C'tan than Antimatter Meteor, Cosmic Fire and Times Arrow.

On a vault nearly all powers are good.

Against a horde army you would want to pick Seismic Assault

Are Ctan worth fielding? The Deceiver has a great trick with grand illusion but the other two seem quite strange to me. If you play a block of Wraiths and move them up with a Ctan does that work?

**Odrankt**

Barnie25 wrote:
Odrankt wrote:
What are the best powers of the C'tan?

Depends on the C'tan doings the power and the target unit.

If playing Deceiver/Nightbringer/Trascedant C'tan than Antimatter Meteor, Cosmic Fire and Times Arrow.

On a vault nearly all powers are good.

Against a horde army you would want to pick Seismic Assault

Are Ctan worth fielding? The Deceiver has a great trick with grand illusion but the other two seem quite strange to me. If you play a block of Wraiths and move them up with a Ctan does that work?

I think all the c'tan are pretty good. My favorite ATM is The Nightbringer as he wounds on 2+ for non vehicle units. And is the only C'tan with a shooting.

Deceiver is pretty good but a bit expensive.

T C'tan is more flexible than the other 2 and isn't named so can be brought 3 times.

**Cynista**

So apparently at LVO there was some debate about whether the veil cancels MWBD and the judges ruled that it does. I know it's been discussed here before, what was the consensus? As far as I can see, other things have been FAQ'd but the VOD specifically (and artifacts in general) has not, so it's still fair game

**iGuy91**

Cynista wrote:
So apparently at LVO there was some debate about whether the veil cancels MWBD and the judges ruled that it does. I know it's been discussed here before, what was the consensus? As far as I can see, other things have been FAQ'd but the VOD specifically (and artifacts in general) has not, so it's still fair game

I mean...thats blatantly incorrect. VoD has no effect on MWBD.

**Maelstrom808**

iGuy91 is correct. The FAQ specifically targets strategems.

**elook**

Regarding the VoD and MWBD, this was posted on Reddit by Xachariah:

"The biggest ITC tournaments that FLG hosts (inc. LVO) have ruled that Veil is affected after GW developers told them directly ([source](https://imgur.com/a/qP19yYQ)), and I have heard that ETC agrees as well but cannot personally verify.

People like to focus on the word 'stratagem' in the FAQ ruling, and miss that games workshop writers answered about stratagems because they were asked about stratagems. IIRC, this was when Blood Angel 'Upon Wings of Fire' and Chaos 'Tide of Traitors' were at peak strength. If they were asked about relics or about psychic, there is no reason to believe that wouldn't have given the exact same ruling about those too.

This is like if someone tried to fight with assault weapons in the fight phase, and then GW said, "guys, you obviously can't use assault weapons in melee," then they counter with "great, that means rapidfire weapons are fine in melee until the next FAQ!" The rules aren't meant to be a computer program that you search for bugs for, where FAQs are patches. Rules are a shared understanding with your opponent, and FAQs clarify issues in the edge cases.

It is perfectly valid to assume that a rule which causes you to "remove a model from the battlefield and set it up again" does the exact same thing with the exact same wording regardless of it being a stratagem/relic/psychic power causing the effect. In the absence of a FAQ or rule that says "treat stratagems this way and relics another way", the correct way is to treat them the same. Which sucks because it breaks MWBD + Veil and that's one of the few cool combos that Necrons have.

I'm really hoping for some badass formations in Vigilus 2 to make up for some of the depth that was taken away from Necrons. Instead of needing MWBD+Veil to (maybe) get them in, maybe something like the Valkyrie rule would allow them to deep-strike turn 1 like bullgryn can."

**iGuy91**

Except you are not allowed to shoot while within 1" of an enemy model with any weapon but a pistol, unless given a rule specifically stating otherwise.

The FAQ Targeted (Stratagems) not (Relics). There is no ruling that exists stating it should not operate as written considering they were not included in that list, despite being a known relic at that time.

**Tauris_Blazestar**

Cynista wrote:
So apparently at LVO there was some debate about whether the veil cancels MWBD and the judges ruled that it does. I know it's been discussed here before, what was the consensus? As far as I can see, other things have been FAQ'd but the VOD specifically (and artifacts in general) has not, so it's still fair game

I heard about this in another group, it's clearly stated in the Errata but TO is gonna rule how they want. Someone QQ cause they were getting beat by Necrons?

**Draco765**

Noticed a couple of threads over on that Reddit page that people were saying something to the effect that since that particular set of judges have direct contact with the developers, that must be the correct ruling.

So far of the two issues, the judge was wrong on both of them.

**Cynista**

Draco765 wrote:
Noticed a couple of threads over on that Reddit page that people were saying something to the effect that since that particular set of judges have direct contact with the developers, that must be the correct ruling.

So far of the two issues, the judge was wrong on both of them.

Yeah that was mentioned over on Reddit too. Having an unconfirmed hotline to some unspecified guy at GW.... is not going to cut it in my book

**p5freak**

A TO can rule whatever he wants (house rule), but that doesnt change RAW, or the FAQs. If GW means that any temporary buffs are canceled by setting up a unit again, they have to say so in the FAQs.

**torblind**

p5freak wrote:
A TO can rule whatever he wants (house rule), but that doesnt change RAW, or the FAQs. If GW means that any temporary buffs are canceled by setting up a unit again, they have to say so in the FAQs.

They affect permanent buffs too, not just temporary

**listylist88**

I came 14th in this weekend's 50 man UK North East event with the list below. The lists were limited to no more than 1 of each type of detachment and the missions were quite heavy on victory points for the tertiary STW, LB and FS. VOD Destroyers meant I was pretty much guaranteed to kill something on my first turn with the other unit arriving from deep strike when I needed it. Warriors were also put in reserve to take obj and kill their back line chaff. The lychguard guardian protocols meant I essentially had to be tabled before my warlord could be killed.

I was the only Necron player in the field unfortunately. Victories were against Imperial Knights and Death Guard before losing to Ynnarri

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**wuestenfux**

Congratulations for the placement.
Not a bad list.
Lynchguard could have been replaced by Wraiths or not?

**listylist88**

wuestenfux wrote:
Congratulations for the placement.
Not a bad list.
Lynchguard could have been replaced by Wraiths or not?

yeah I'd probably recommend wraiths in 75% of cases, you could include them in the Nephrekh batallion and get that crazy advance and change distance.

My lychguard were Sautekh to be able to protect the Warlord but consequently they were just so damn slow.

Hyperphase swords being only 1 DMG also means they kinda suck at killing things in close combat, particularly without MWBD.

Some games my hyperlogical strategist roles were great so I could've afforded to pay for wraiths to re-animate but in other games where my CP was really low I was grateful for the lychguard having it without having to use the strategem.

They are almost impossible to shoot off objectives as well, every game when they eventually died it was in close combat.

**Tauris_Blazestar**

listylist88 wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
Congratulations for the placement.
Not a bad list.
Lynchguard could have been replaced by Wraiths or not?

yeah I'd probably recommend wraiths in 75% of cases, you could include them in the Nephrekh batallion and get that crazy advance and change distance.

My lychguard were Sautekh to be able to protect the Warlord but consequently they were just so damn slow.

Hyperphase swords being only 1 DMG also means they kinda suck at killing things in close combat, particularly without MWBD.

Some games my hyperlogical strategist roles were great so I could've afforded to pay for wraiths to re-animate but in other games where my CP was really low I was grateful for the lychguard having it without having to use the strategem.

They are almost impossible to shoot off objectives as well, every game when they eventually died it was in close combat.

Couple of the guys in my local play group have been playing since like 3rd/4th and when I field Lychgaurd or scarabs they always get focused cause of past truama in previous editions. I get a kick out of it when they are running a blaneblade or a Knight and put all their shots into totally inefficient targets cause of a personal hatred against some Necron units. So I make sure to take full advantage of such plays.

**CKO**

Congrats on finishing 14th!

Is the Tesseract Vault good? It has the dynasty rule does that mean it is affected by the stratagems? I know it says c'tan shard units cannot benefit from dynastic codes but it doesn't mention stratagems.

Because Damage Control Override looks mighty good if it can use it!

**p5freak**

You can use stratagems on a tvault.

**listylist88**

CKO wrote:
Congrats on finishing 14th!

Is the Tesseract Vault good? It has the dynasty rule does that mean it is affected by the stratagems? I know it says c'tan shard units cannot benefit from dynastic codes but it doesn't mention stratagems.

Because Damage Control Override looks mighty good if it can use it!

Yes stratagems are fine, the point reductions affecting other units since Chapter approved combined with the points increase of the tesseract vault means we'll certainly be seeing less of them going forward though.

One point I was going to make about relics. Overall I think the lightning field is a poor choice for anything except the Command Barge. In my practice games I was running the Abyssal staff and kept losing my warlord so at the last minute before list submission I panicked and changed the relic to the lightning field for the tournament. I regretted it a bit, I should've just stuck with the staff or sacked off a 2nd relic altogether and kept the CP. With only 4 wounds and toughness 4, the Cryptek still dies to any meaningful attack with or without a 4++.

**Barnie25**

What is the best way to use a Catacomb command barge? Use it with a Gauss cannon to fly up the board with destroyers? Hang back with your troops?

Its a shame it only has 3 attacks as the potential in close combat is not bad.

**torblind**

Barnie25 wrote:
What is the best way to use a Catacomb command barge? Use it with a Gauss cannon to fly up the board with destroyers? Hang back with your troops?

Its a shame it only has 3 attacks as the potential in close combat is not bad.

Different builds, different ways.