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2019/12/19 08:14:52
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
I'm making a 1k Novokh melee list. Planning to run an Overlord with 10 Lychguard (my local gaming group allows me to mix weapon Options). I want to try a News artifact (always taking VoD gets boring). What would bei the best Option? More survival with Sempiternal Weave or Nightmare Shroud. Or more DMG with Blood Scythe or Voidreaper (Currently planning in using the Voidscythe)?
2019/12/19 09:00:48
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Considering 99% of my Necron lists have 2 characters though, my opponent would never be able to max out headhunter. So they'd probably pick something else.
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2019/12/19 13:41:40
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Dynas wrote: The other question becomes: what to drop to take either Lychguard or Praetorians.
Im referring to the Doom 6+Immortals + (Tomb blades, wraiths, or destroyers) as desired list we see in most ITC tourneys.
They aren't better than any of them. If you were taking 30 immortals, you could drop that down to 15 and get some praetorians as backfield objective holders maybe.
Maybe.
2019/12/19 15:35:07
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
IanVanCheese wrote: On just a normal Overlord I'd say just the Bloody Scythe or Voidscythe.
Destroyer Lord = Nanoscarab Casket, Lord = Lightning Field.
Thx for the tip.
To all others. I know that neither the Overlord nor Lychguard are rly that great. My list is for my casual gaming group. I'm also using 10 Deathmarks to weaken my list. (My winrate in my local group ist around 90% and the others are starting to not play against me so i want to make it easier for them).
So my question wasn't what to use instead of the Overlord or Lychguard but instead about the pro and con for the different artifacts.
IanVanCheese wrote: On just a normal Overlord I'd say just the Bloody Scythe or Voidscythe.
Destroyer Lord = Nanoscarab Casket, Lord = Lightning Field.
Thx for the tip.
To all others. I know that neither the Overlord nor Lychguard are rly that great. My list is for my casual gaming group. I'm also using 10 Deathmarks to weaken my list. (My winrate in my local group ist around 90% and the others are starting to not play against me so i want to make it easier for them).
So my question wasn't what to use instead of the Overlord or Lychguard but instead about the pro and con for the different artifacts.
OK Guys you are missing my point. I don't want to have a list where everything ist optimized. This list is just for fun games with my friends. And as previously said i want to try and use a different artifact than the VoD since i'm using it almost every game and i'm using Deathmarks to make it weaker (and fill the Detachment since i don't own Flayed Ones).
@tneva82 what do you mean with 2 artifacts in one Hero? I Just posted my OL with Sempiternal Weave. It can bei replaced with any of the other 3 i stated befor
2019/12/19 22:51:49
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: You're playing Necrons. You don't NEED to play a weaker list. Feeling the need to play a weaker list is stupid too in of itself.
When you are running a 90% win rate, and opponents are getting frustrated, dumbing down the list is an admirable move to keep games fun for everyone.
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2019/12/19 23:28:47
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
If his opponents are playing lists so weak that they're not enjoying playing against him then yes, maybe he DOES need play a weaker list. It's that or help his friends get stronger lists, which they may not be able to afford. This hobby is expensive after all. He's telling you the meta and where he wants to fit in the meta. If all you have to say is "you're stupid and your meta is dumb," why say anything?
IanVanCheese wrote: On just a normal Overlord I'd say just the Bloody Scythe or Voidscythe.
Destroyer Lord = Nanoscarab Casket, Lord = Lightning Field.
Thx for the tip.
To all others. I know that neither the Overlord nor Lychguard are rly that great. My list is for my casual gaming group. I'm also using 10 Deathmarks to weaken my list. (My winrate in my local group ist around 90% and the others are starting to not play against me so i want to make it easier for them).
So my question wasn't what to use instead of the Overlord or Lychguard but instead about the pro and con for the different artifacts.
Here is the list i'm planning for all that want it. Yes i previously said it was 10 Deathmarks sry.
What models do you have available, and what are your opponents fielding? Its hard to give adequate suggestions without knowing all of the variables. The list you provided does seem pretty weak. I would replace the nightbringer with something else though; he can be an absolute bastard if you aren't ready for him. Unless you are planning on using him stupidly, like not screening him with scarabs.
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Peace through power!
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2019/12/20 03:41:55
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Something to keep in mind Necrons are very very powerful in low point games it is when you get to 1500+ and above that the Necrons rules fail to do anything.
If you want people to have an easier time with Necrons just increase the points and troops will Melt with no chance to RP and Living Metal will not get to happen.
2019/12/20 06:12:46
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
So having trouble deciding on a warlord trait, running an overlord with a warscythe (it's what I have right now, and CCB won't fit in the list). what warlord trait(s) should I be looking at?
Also, on this "lychguard story" had eldar shooting at my lychguard 2 games ago, and I had enabled disruption fields (this sounds wrong, the 3++ thing), I did almost as many mortal wounds back to him as he did to me, I think it was something like 8 mortal wounds to 10 wounds received (and it took him 3 turns to wipe them, and then only because I did the stupid and didn't use my resurrection orb when I knew I should). Of course in my next game against sisters, they just chewed right through my lychguard as if they were made of paper.
2019/12/20 06:42:46
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
xenoterracide wrote: So having trouble deciding on a warlord trait, running an overlord with a warscythe (it's what I have right now, and CCB won't fit in the list). what warlord trait(s) should I be looking at?
Also, on this "lychguard story" had eldar shooting at my lychguard 2 games ago, and I had enabled disruption fields (this sounds wrong, the 3++ thing), I did almost as many mortal wounds back to him as he did to me, I think it was something like 8 mortal wounds to 10 wounds received (and it took him 3 turns to wipe them, and then only because I did the stupid and didn't use my resurrection orb when I knew I should). Of course in my next game against sisters, they just chewed right through my lychguard as if they were made of paper.
Immune to moral thing if you are running lots of warriors can be helpful though have found that not particularly needed. Unit tends to either not be targeted(not worth the firepower) or wiped out by some nasty choppity chop unit.
If you have lychguard you could veil of darkness+reroll charges them. 78% chance of actually making into combat though horribly resource intensive. Still that + wraith unit charging into T1 is at least fun for casual games.
Other than that -1 damage or -1 to hit depending on what kind of attacks I expect is old trusty one for me.
If you are sautekh pretty sure the CP resurection is best one.
For 3++ thing there's this thing called luck. You don't have even that good odds of making 2 MW's with 10 wounds taken.
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ImPhaeronWeasel wrote: Anyone has a competitive 1k list? Everyone is about how Necrons are strong at 1k but I dont share this opinion.
Overlord, lord, 2x10 and 5ximmortals, 3xdda. Maybe swap immortal and lord for cryptek since now you can actually use the RP with decent frequency.
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2019/12/20 11:40:50
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
IanVanCheese wrote: On just a normal Overlord I'd say just the Bloody Scythe or Voidscythe.
Destroyer Lord = Nanoscarab Casket, Lord = Lightning Field.
Thx for the tip.
To all others. I know that neither the Overlord nor Lychguard are rly that great. My list is for my casual gaming group. I'm also using 10 Deathmarks to weaken my list. (My winrate in my local group ist around 90% and the others are starting to not play against me so i want to make it easier for them).
So my question wasn't what to use instead of the Overlord or Lychguard but instead about the pro and con for the different artifacts.
Here is the list i'm planning for all that want it.
Yes i previously said it was 10 Deathmarks sry.
What models do you have available, and what are your opponents fielding? Its hard to give adequate suggestions without knowing all of the variables.
The list you provided does seem pretty weak. I would replace the nightbringer with something else though; he can be an absolute bastard if you aren't ready for him. Unless you are planning on using him stupidly, like not screening him with scarabs.
Ok first of all thx to all that understand why i play weak with my friends.
2nd I'm gonna say this again. My question was NOT what modells to change to make the list better. It was Just about which artifact to put on the OL (besides the obvious VoD). I just posted the whole list so you guys could give advice with the context of the whole list (for example since I'm running around with Lychguards maybe the OL can take more dmg in form of the Bloodsythe or the Voidreaper).
2019/12/20 12:15:22
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Well, you could give the lord weave and the Overlord an Orb of Eternity. The Orb of Eternity isn't great, and is arguably one of the least powerful relics we have due to its single use and its price tag, but if you are using it in conjunction with Lychguard you can get some mileage out of it without overwhelming your opponents too much.
Sure, you might get some of the guard back, but then you can't use it anymore, and are basically without a relic for the rest of the game.
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2019/12/20 12:45:59
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Surtr wrote: OK Guys you are missing my point. I don't want to have a list where everything ist optimized. This list is just for fun games with my friends. And as previously said i want to try and use a different artifact than the VoD since i'm using it almost every game and i'm using Deathmarks to make it weaker (and fill the Detachment since i don't own Flayed Ones).
@tneva82 what do you mean with 2 artifacts in one Hero? I Just posted my OL with Sempiternal Weave. It can bei replaced with any of the other 3 i stated befor
Deathmarks are quite useful in the meta right now anyways because there are a number of things that can jump up turn one. Also Drop Pods finally got what they needed. So theres a real possibility that you can use Deathmarks to cut a combo-breaker off. Ive used the example before: Unit of 4 meltaguns drops in. Death Marks drop in. Now the meltaguns cant get buffed by the character that was supposed to buff them. Stuff like that. They can cut off a large part of the board suddenly from deep strikes, potentially holding the enemy at bay. This is of course in addition to their ability to kill characters which if you take a full unit, isn't bad at all when rapid firing. 20 Sniper shots will get ya 5 unsaved wounds a lot of the time.
They aren't Gawds gift to Necrons, that's certain. But in a friendly meta you're probably looking for flexible things that can try to do cool things and they fit the bill.
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: Well, you could give the lord weave and the Overlord an Orb of Eternity.
The Orb of Eternity isn't great, and is arguably one of the least powerful relics we have due to its single use and its price tag, but if you are using it in conjunction with Lychguard you can get some mileage out of it without overwhelming your opponents too much.
Sure, you might get some of the guard back, but then you can't use it anymore, and are basically without a relic for the rest of the game.
I don't rly want to spend the CP for the extra Artifact. I already only have 5.
As for the Orb. I don't like it since you are spending the Artifact slot for something that is just the Ressurection Orb +1 and gives you maybe 1 Lychguard.
It might be a choice for me since i'm Walking my Lychguard over the field but I think I would prefer more Tankiness or Dmg from my OL. Something that doesn't depend on luck as much as the Orb dies.
Surtr wrote: OK Guys you are missing my point. I don't want to have a list where everything ist optimized. This list is just for fun games with my friends. And as previously said i want to try and use a different artifact than the VoD since i'm using it almost every game and i'm using Deathmarks to make it weaker (and fill the Detachment since i don't own Flayed Ones).
@tneva82 what do you mean with 2 artifacts in one Hero? I Just posted my OL with Sempiternal Weave. It can bei replaced with any of the other 3 i stated befor
Deathmarks are quite useful in the meta right now anyways because there are a number of things that can jump up turn one. Also Drop Pods finally got what they needed. So theres a real possibility that you can use Deathmarks to cut a combo-breaker off. Ive used the example before: Unit of 4 meltaguns drops in. Death Marks drop in. Now the meltaguns cant get buffed by the character that was supposed to buff them. Stuff like that. They can cut off a large part of the board suddenly from deep strikes, potentially holding the enemy at bay. This is of course in addition to their ability to kill characters which if you take a full unit, isn't bad at all when rapid firing. 20 Sniper shots will get ya 5 unsaved wounds a lot of the time.
They aren't Gawds gift to Necrons, that's certain. But in a friendly meta you're probably looking for flexible things that can try to do cool things and they fit the bill.
Yeah. Especially in Low Point Games can they be a real nuissance. Had a few Games where i used 10 to hurt the Infantry after deepstriking and at the same time block the escape path of a Lemon Russ so he couldn't use the Double moving (don't know the Name) to escape from my wraith. Even had one Game where they managed a multi Charge on 3 Units locking them in Combat.
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2019/12/20 19:58:14
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Surtr wrote: OK Guys you are missing my point. I don't want to have a list where everything ist optimized. This list is just for fun games with my friends. And as previously said i want to try and use a different artifact than the VoD since i'm using it almost every game and i'm using Deathmarks to make it weaker (and fill the Detachment since i don't own Flayed Ones).
@tneva82 what do you mean with 2 artifacts in one Hero? I Just posted my OL with Sempiternal Weave. It can bei replaced with any of the other 3 i stated befor
Deathmarks are quite useful in the meta right now anyways because there are a number of things that can jump up turn one. Also Drop Pods finally got what they needed. So theres a real possibility that you can use Deathmarks to cut a combo-breaker off. Ive used the example before: Unit of 4 meltaguns drops in. Death Marks drop in. Now the meltaguns cant get buffed by the character that was supposed to buff them. Stuff like that. They can cut off a large part of the board suddenly from deep strikes, potentially holding the enemy at bay. This is of course in addition to their ability to kill characters which if you take a full unit, isn't bad at all when rapid firing. 20 Sniper shots will get ya 5 unsaved wounds a lot of the time.
They aren't Gawds gift to Necrons, that's certain. But in a friendly meta you're probably looking for flexible things that can try to do cool things and they fit the bill.
First you come into the thread spewing a bunch of crap about Flayed Ones, and now you choose to do the same for Deathmarks. Can you just leave please so we can actually discuss Necrons?
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: Well, you could give the lord weave and the Overlord an Orb of Eternity.
The Orb of Eternity isn't great, and is arguably one of the least powerful relics we have due to its single use and its price tag, but if you are using it in conjunction with Lychguard you can get some mileage out of it without overwhelming your opponents too much.
Sure, you might get some of the guard back, but then you can't use it anymore, and are basically without a relic for the rest of the game.
Orb of Eternity is still miles more useful than the Gauntlet relic. and that really says a lot about how bad it is.
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jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
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2019/12/20 20:04:26
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
First you come into the thread spewing a bunch of crap about Flayed Ones, and now you choose to do the same for Deathmarks. Can you just leave please so we can actually discuss Necrons?
Lol. I was right then and moreso now. You're constant antagonism isn't going to change that.
I qualified my statement about Deathmarks. So go fly a kite.
Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
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When you are running a 90% win rate, and opponents are getting frustrated, dumbing down the list is an admirable move to keep games fun for everyone.
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