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asobitaii wrote:
Interested in the wraiths + ctan lists, what are people running in them? I am having trouble fitting everything I want under 2k points.

imotekh, orikan, 25 immortals = 615

5 ctan = 875

9 scarab, 9 wraith = 495

total: 1985

If i can squeeze in 2 more HQ choices, I can have outrider and spearhead detachments. Also wouldnt mind some more big guns like DDA or destroyers, maybe cut the 5th ctan.

What would you guys do to finish off the list?

Just use 4 ctans, deceiver, night bringer two trancendent =under 700
Kick out orican take something cheap.
More than 200 points spare for more wraiths.

asobitaii wrote:
Interested in the wraiths + ctan lists, what are people running in them? I am having trouble fitting everything I want under 2k points.

imotekh, orikan, 25 immortals = 615

5 ctan = 875

9 scarab, 9 wraith = 495

total: 1985

If i can squeeze in 2 more HQ choices, I can have outrider and spearhead detachments. Also wouldnt mind some more big guns like DDA or destroyers, maybe cut the 5th ctan.

What would you guys do to finish off the list?

I played something similar 2 weeks ago.

1 Overlord
1 Cryptek - Veil

3x 5 TImmortals

Nightbringer
Deciever
10x S/B Lychguard

5x Destroyers
5x Wraiths

3x TCtan

I was playing against Fists. They had two of the floaty tanks that put down a ton of fire, one of the new dreadnaughts thats not a dreadnaught, 3 thunderfire cannons, and a bunch of troops.

Got hammer and anvil so we played long side of the board. He didnt move for the most part the entire game and the entire game I felt I was in trouble. I also went second and rolled a 1 for my deciever move.

The game pretty much broke down to him slowing my wraiths through out the game. I veiled up my lychguard into his not-dreadnaught, 2 thunderfires, and a troop squad. They made their charge and took that side of the table by turn 3. RA made it so by that time they were still at a full 10 models.

I did move up deciever and a Trancendent but put them behind cover. Through out the game the mortal wounds really did start adding up. It feels weak in the beginning but then you just keep doing them over and over.

He used his tanks to chip away at the c'tan through the game, I lost deciever and 2 Trancendents, but when he moved a tank forward to kill one he exposed it to my destroyers. RA rolled double 6s to get them back up to 5, I blew my last command point for Extermination Protocol, and laid down 10 unsaved wounds on it. It promptly exploded doing 6 mortal wounds to his warlord.

Game over.

Overall I think its a pretty strong list to play especially because its so unexpected. If you get turn 1 and roll well for the Deciever move you are going to hurt things with cosmic fire. My lychguard were by far my mvps of the game holding a side of the board without even trying. Feel I got lucky with charge rolls there getting both my lychguard and tek into cc to avoid snipers.I also know for sure I made mistakes but that happens.

I am thinking about changing the list up and taking Obyron and maybe Zahndrekh. Might not but having 2 Veils would be really strong with this list imo.If I did do that I might drop the destroyers for flayed ones and just go ham with the melee.

I love wraiths, but it feels like there are too many hard counters to their schtick out there these days. Smite spam, null zone, death hex, marines just rinsing them with gatling cannons.

I think you need to go hard on wraiths or not at all. The above report is cool and shows how those lists can work, but without first turn you're buggered. And even then, it sounds like you had hot dice.

Still, excited to see people trying different lists and having success, Necron's have been stuck with one/two viable lists for too long.

IanVanCheese wrote:
I love wraiths, but it feels like there are too many hard counters to their schtick out there these days. Smite spam, null zone, death hex, marines just rinsing them with gatling cannons.

I think you need to go hard on wraiths or not at all. The above report is cool and shows how those lists can work, but without first turn you're buggered. And even then, it sounds like you had hot dice.

Still, excited to see people trying different lists and having success, Necron's have been stuck with one/two viable lists for too long.

I agree with the wraiths thing but they are still something that makes people worry. They full a nitch either way.

I disagree with not going first turn though. Sure it makes it harder but I still won against again very good codex.


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I was thinking Obyron and a Tek with veil.

In theory you could move both of them turn 1 and 2 infantry units. Say 20 flayed ones and 10 lychguard. These guys can all charge.

Then with Deciever you are also moving Deciever and 1-3 other units, likely ctan. These guys cant charge.

Even against tau thats going to be a lot of in your face issues pretty much right away.

Is there any reason we don’t see more leveraging of ITC black boxes by max size value infantry to get reliable RP?

I mean, it seems to be ultra effective for Tau shield drones...

Lots of 3++...

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
Lots of 3++...

Spoiler:

Novokh Outrider:

Lord

4x Scarabs
4x Scarabs
6x Wraith
6x Wriath
6X Wraith

Nihilakh Spearhead:

Lord

Transcendent Ctan, 3++
Transcendent Ctan, 3++
Transcendent Ctan, 3++
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark

1996pts

Instead of choosing the 3++ for the transcendent ctans you could roll for two abilities. Its a 33% chance that you get the 3++, and you get a second ability.

 p5freak wrote:

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
Lots of 3++...

Spoiler:

Novokh Outrider:

Lord

4x Scarabs
4x Scarabs
6x Wraith
6x Wriath
6X Wraith

Nihilakh Spearhead:

Lord

Transcendent Ctan, 3++
Transcendent Ctan, 3++
Transcendent Ctan, 3++
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark

1996pts

Instead of choosing the 3++ for the transcendent ctans you could roll for two abilities. Its a 33% chance that you get the 3++, and you get a second ability.

11/36 chance, actually. Since duplicates are not rerolled.

I would never roll on a T-Ctan. only 2 of the 6 abilities are worth getting excited about.

I have found 2-3 wraith units are where you want to be. I use 5 man units and they generally buy me enough time and/or sow enough chaos to get my C'tan in range for the nasty stuff (Cosmic Fire coming from 3-4 C'tan in the midst of your opponent's army is a beautiful thing).

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
I have found 2-3 wraith units are where you want to be. I use 5 man units and they generally buy me enough time and/or sow enough chaos to get my C'tan in range for the nasty stuff (Cosmic Fire coming from 3-4 C'tan in the midst of your opponent's army is a beautiful thing).

You do know you can not choose the same power for all the C'tan right? You have to divide up all 6 powers once over the first 3 C'Tans before you can start picking duplicates for C'Tans #4 and #5.

Necron Codex Page 113
Before the battle, generate Powers of the C’tan for each C’TAN SHARD unit using the table
below. Roll a D6 to generate their powers randomly (re-rolling any duplicate results). Before the
battle, you can instead choose the powers each of these units have, but if you do this you cannot
choose a power for a second time until all six have been chosen once each (similarly, you cannot
choose a power for a third time until all six have been chosen twice each, and so on).

Well with 5 ctans you have 2 cosmic fire if you want.
Switch via strat in turn 1 and you have 3 cosmic fire.
In turn two you can have 4 times cosmic fire

Exactly, not doubling up on powers only applies when you pick powers at the start of the game. Once the game has started, you can use the Cosmic Powers strat to change a power to whatever you want.

Played a 2k tournament prep game vs. BA last night. Setting up a Nihilakh Wraith fortress in the center / strong side to fire shield for C’tans is a tremendously strong tactic against unprepared foes.

sieGermans wrote:
Played a 2k tournament prep game vs. BA last night. Setting up a Nihilakh Wraith fortress in the center / strong side to fire shield for C’tans is a tremendously strong tactic against unprepared foes.

How many C'tans / Wraiths did you played ? Did you played it against gunlines ? I have a game next saturday against a pure TS list for a friendly game, i strongly hesitate to give him a taste of his own medecine (MW) with a C'tan heavy list

Shaelinith wrote:

sieGermans wrote:
Played a 2k tournament prep game vs. BA last night. Setting up a Nihilakh Wraith fortress in the center / strong side to fire shield for C’tans is a tremendously strong tactic against unprepared foes.

How many C'tans / Wraiths did you played ? Did you played it against gunlines ? I have a game next saturday against a pure TS list for a friendly game, i strongly hesitate to give him a taste of his own medecine (MW) with a C'tan heavy list

4 c’tans and 1 6man Wraith Squad.

It was mostly a CC list with a single 5man Aggressor squad as a gunline.

The problem versus ts is that mortals kill you're wraith castle.
If you know you play vs ts alone, stock up with 3xmax scarabs

The new PA book will give TS even more MW spam

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Exactly, not doubling up on powers only applies when you pick powers at the start of the game. Once the game has started, you can use the Cosmic Powers strat to change a power to whatever you want.

WHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT?

Is this true. Damn need to reread this.

 p5freak wrote:
The new PA book will give TS even more MW spam

Not just TS, but GK are also able to spam out D2 MW easily.

T1nk4bell wrote:
The problem versus ts is that mortals kill you're wraith castle.
If you know you play vs ts alone, stock up with 3xmax scarabs

Yeah. If you use wraiths to screen c'tans you need screens to screen your screens...

 Dynas wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Exactly, not doubling up on powers only applies when you pick powers at the start of the game. Once the game has started, you can use the Cosmic Powers strat to change a power to whatever you want.

WHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT?

Is this true. Damn need to reread this.

Jep it is true. No restriction at changing powers via strat. So round 2 4 cosmic fire is no problem

T1nk4bell wrote:

 Dynas wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Exactly, not doubling up on powers only applies when you pick powers at the start of the game. Once the game has started, you can use the Cosmic Powers strat to change a power to whatever you want.

WHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT?

Is this true. Damn need to reread this.

Jep it is true. No restriction at changing powers via strat. So round 2 4 cosmic fire is no problem

Three. Cosmic powers happens at the start of the movement phase, so it can only be used once per turn right? So you have the one you start with, one extra in turn one and a third in turn two.

IanVanCheese wrote:

T1nk4bell wrote:

 Dynas wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Exactly, not doubling up on powers only applies when you pick powers at the start of the game. Once the game has started, you can use the Cosmic Powers strat to change a power to whatever you want.

WHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT?

Is this true. Damn need to reread this.

Jep it is true. No restriction at changing powers via strat. So round 2 4 cosmic fire is no problem

Three. Cosmic powers happens at the start of the movement phase, so it can only be used once per turn right? So you have the one you start with, one extra in turn one and a third in turn two.

Powers are used at the End of the Movement phase. The replacement Stratagem is used at the Start of the Movement phase.
It can be 4 on round two.
With 4 C'tan you will get to pick two duplicated powers at the start. Turn one, you change one to the Duplicated power (3), then Turn two, you change another power (4) now each C'tan has the same power.

Woops, forgot you'd already be able to double up with 4 C'Tan. You right.

And yeah, the stratagem is called cosmic powers.

I don’t have my Codex on me, but does it specify the start of YOUR movement phase?

sieGermans wrote:
I don’t have my Codex on me, but does it specify the start of YOUR movement phase?

Yeah it does, sadly.

I mean, that’s a good thing: it’s clearly RAI. I was just curious if there was a RAW wiggle.

5-1 at LVO against the current meta is impressive no matter how you look at it. Good on ya Eulis Sanders.

With the Greater Good leak confirming the Imp/GSC/Tau for PA which debunks the rumor of Tau vs DG. How likely is it that Necrons are stuck with DG for our PA book release?