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 IHateNids wrote:

Acehilator wrote:
It's in the core book. Yes it's stupid.

That;s utterly ridiculous.....

Well, at least it not just us this time. I know that Necrons 8th Ed outright said it itself, and I am not sure if anyone else's did, silver linings I guess.


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Follow-up thought, can you still take a LoW in a Supreme Command? Thinking a bunch of extra nobles or crypteks and a Monolith?

Nope because Supreme Command changed to be only 1 slot (hq or low) and its restricted to Primarchs, Daemon Primarchs, or Supreme Commanders.

So we can run Silent King easily enough but not the other LoWs.

Its mega stupid. Probably one of the biggest things about 9th that pisses me off. GW seems to think LoWs are insanely powerful and need built in nerf rules to prevent them from being ridiculous. When in fact 90% of them are hot garbage even w/o the extra taxes GW puts on them.

The best LoW's have special snowflake status and ignore the rule anyway. So only the bad ones pay the tax....

You could run 1 Obelisk, 1 Monolith and the Silent King. Silent King gives you CP back from the detachment. And then your Monolith gives away the Titanic-killing secondary objective VPs.

Well, Ok then I guess.

That's pretty much my enthusiasm for the new model dead

Impact12 wrote:
So I love the idea of a full canoptek army list, so i tried to build one, any ideas for any adjustments?
2000 point Canoptek list:

Spoiler:

Outrider detachment

Dynasty: Eternal Conquerors + Relentlessly expansionist

1 Technomancer 75
canoptek control node 15
Phylacterine Hive 20

1 Technomancer 75
canoptek control node 15
fail safe overcharger 30

3 Canoptek spyders 180
2 Gloom prism 10
3 Particle beamer 15

3 Canoptek spyders 180
2 Gloom prism 10
3 Particle beamer 15

6 Canoptek wraiths 210

6 Canoptek wraiths 210

6 Canoptek wraiths 210

6 Canoptek wraiths 210

8 Scrab swarm 120

8 Scrab swarm 120

1 Canoptek doomstalker 140

1 Canoptek doomstalker 140

CP: 9

I don't like it because it doesn't do well against -1 bolters and eradicators melta shots. If you get to them quickly and tie them down it can work. If they deploy properly with screens you will have a hard time dealing with anti-tank weapons which are good against both of your wraiths and spyder units.

 vipoid wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
A rez orb is good if you take a 20-man warrior or flayed one squad, otherwise I am not sold on them. You only need to raise 3 warriors to make your points back, which is 8.5 warriors or 9 flayed ones dead, which is realistic with a 20 man squad, but not with any 10-man squad.

The relic is interesting primarily because it opens up 10 man squads as worth using it on, which means you can rez lycheguard. If for some weird reason you actually take a 10-man lycheguard squad, and if you assume 1CP = 25 points, using it on a squad that's lost 4 or more models will break even, which starts to feel plausible.

I still don't think it's very good except if you run a 20-man squad though. And even then, there's a solid argument for just taking more stuff and having more flexibility.

The thing is, Warriors are the models I have the least interest in bringing back. So if that's all Resurrection Orbs can be expected to help with, I'd rather just ditch them entirely and instead put those points towards units that are actually useful.

Use it for destroyers instead. If you resurrect just one that's enough to cover the orb's cost, and statistically speaking you need 4 dead destroyers to get at least one back.
If you use a reanimator you'll get more back.

 Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll wrote:
You could run 1 Obelisk, 1 Monolith and the Silent King. Silent King gives you CP back from the detachment. And then your Monolith gives away the Titanic-killing secondary objective VPs.

Unfortunately he doesnt. Thats a Knight-specific thing only to refund the superheavy cp.

Like i said, 90% of the LoWs are blocked by an insanely high tax for no reason.

 Vineheart01 wrote:

 Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll wrote:
You could run 1 Obelisk, 1 Monolith and the Silent King. Silent King gives you CP back from the detachment. And then your Monolith gives away the Titanic-killing secondary objective VPs.

Unfortunately he doesnt. Thats a Knight-specific thing only to refund the superheavy cp.

Like i said, 90% of the LoWs are blocked by an insanely high tax for no reason.

Doesnt he give you CP for taking him as a Supreme Commander?

So I can't be the only person thinking of dropping our troops entirely right?

With the obsec trait I am not really seeing much point in battalions for that reason. Too expensive on the requirements.

Obsec + 6" pregame move and just field all the gravy lol.

 IHateNids wrote:
Doesnt he give you CP for taking him as a Supreme Commander?

He gives +3 CP for being the Warlord, and he has to be the Warlord anyways because of the Royal Court special rule.


Regarding dropping troops, not worth it imho. You need objective sitters and units for actions anyways. If you are not hot on troops, take 3x 5 Immortals and call it a day.

 Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll wrote:
You could run 1 Obelisk, 1 Monolith and the Silent King. Silent King gives you CP back from the detachment. And then your Monolith gives away the Titanic-killing secondary objective VPs.

Sk gives 3. Det costs 6.

 Red Corsair wrote:
So I can't be the only person thinking of dropping our troops entirely right?

With the obsec trait I am not really seeing much point in battalions for that reason. Too expensive on the requirements.

Obsec + 6" pregame move and just field all the gravy lol.

This is absolutely an option! Our codex is full of synergy and buffs and you will have extra points to make the list gel even better if you go that route.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
A rez orb is good if you take a 20-man warrior or flayed one squad, otherwise I am not sold on them. You only need to raise 3 warriors to make your points back, which is 8.5 warriors or 9 flayed ones dead, which is realistic with a 20 man squad, but not with any 10-man squad.

The relic is interesting primarily because it opens up 10 man squads as worth using it on, which means you can rez lycheguard. If for some weird reason you actually take a 10-man lycheguard squad, and if you assume 1CP = 25 points, using it on a squad that's lost 4 or more models will break even, which starts to feel plausible.

I still don't think it's very good except if you run a 20-man squad though. And even then, there's a solid argument for just taking more stuff and having more flexibility.

The thing is, Warriors are the models I have the least interest in bringing back. So if that's all Resurrection Orbs can be expected to help with, I'd rather just ditch them entirely and instead put those points towards units that are actually useful.

Use it for destroyers instead. If you resurrect just one that's enough to cover the orb's cost, and statistically speaking you need 4 dead destroyers to get at least one back.

Surely it's 3 Destroyers to average one back, unless they've gone up in wounds?

Regardless, my original point was that 3-4 dead destroyers translates to losing most of the unit. In that case, isn't it more likely that your opponent will just finish it off before your turn?

I think he was under the impression that taking the SK would refund your CP, which isn't how it works. You only get the refund (for a patrol, bat or brigade) when you take the Silent King in a Supreme Command Detachment, which is a 1-unit detachment, not if you take him in any other super-heavy detachment.



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 vipoid wrote:


Regardless, my original point was that 3-4 dead destroyers translates to losing most of the unit. In that case, isn't it more likely that your opponent will just finish it off before your turn?

Yeah, and why it isn't worth taking an orb except to use on big warrior/flayed one blobs. Also keep in mind that anything 3W or more will get wiped out typically without a single one of them rezzing normally, from plink damage. So it's not only riskier to try rezzing that unit, it'll also evaporate a lot more quickly than a 20-man blob, which realistically cannot be wiped in a single volley and therefore will actually be more like a 26-man blob for the amount of damage they'd need to do to kill it before you can use your rez orb.

Codex came out today perfect time for new thread!
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/792822.page

Time to lock here and move on.