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 jake wrote:
Frozen Ocean wasn't saying that feminists don't exist. He was saying that these "scary feminists" that so many people here are afraid will ruin everything aren't actually showing their heads here at all. But that hasn't stopped dozens and dozens of people from complaining about them for page after page as if they're about to show up with pitchforks.

They certainly don't exist here, as far as I've ever seen. That's probably for the best.

 jake wrote:
But you knew that already. You just like being a troll

Nonsense. Trolls do things just to get a reaction out of people. I posted what I posted more to amuse myself.

 jake wrote:
What I do see here is a lot of people saying "It would be nice if some of the more sexualized elements and semi-questionable elements of the range were toned down a bit while keeping the core themes and established style of the army." Which is a pretty reasonable position. And there are a lot of people here who are reasonably agreeing or disagreeing with that, which is fine. reasonable discussion is good. But theres also a lot of people here who are having kind of a tantrum over just the idea being discussed, and even more people who are acting like there's some kind of feminist gestapo that is going to burst down Games Workshop's doors and force them to make something that no one wants. Frankly, the amount of "Oh no, SJWs/feminists/tumbr is out to get us" comments here is kind of embarrassing.

TBH I've never really seen anything in the Sisters line as sexualised. You could, maybe, argue that the Repentia have been done in that way but I don't think the miniatures themselves have enough detail to come across as 'sexy' (and as we've seen, the artwork sure as feth ain't sexualised... yikes... thems girlz is scary!). I mean, it's not as if the Sisters line even remotely resembles that execrable "Terminator armour with ma tits hangin' out!" line of minis that Prodos makes. They're embarrassing.

Chairman Aeon wrote:
Well if you mean a vast conspiracy to make “boy”s things” unfun, then no they don’t.

Well, not here at least. But there are plenty of groups out there that always want to ruin it for the rest of us because they personally don't like it, even if they have no interest in it. Just look at the history of rock and roll, or movies, or video games. It's not specific to feminist groups, but those types of "No Fun Allowed!" people are out there.

Chairman Aeon wrote:
Combat heels and boob plate are legitimate concerns—in a game that purports to be realistic. Luckily we are talking about 40K, so...

40K purports to be realistic?

Chairman Aeon wrote:
What many of these young MRAs...

Oh, right, so the MRAs exist, but the crazy feminists don't? Uh huh.

Chairman Aeon wrote:
... miss is the context of most of 40K, which was that it was model driven and a lot of late 80s and early 90s model design was personal and not within the context of the 40K narrative. Sisters exist because Jes Goodwin was a goth and drew that aesthetic to a singular space nun picture in Rogue Trader. In fact even that link is tenuous. But bottom line is Jes makes a small force of figures in homage to Souxsie Souix and then someone had to figure out a place for them in 40K.

Well 40K didn't have much of a context at its start. Marines weren't really even Marines back then. 40K only became 'rationalised' (and I use that expression in the sense that they sat down and decided to codify and organise everything) when 2nd Ed came along, and it's been a long process of chopping and changing ever since. There's still room for that old design philosophy, especially in the newer things or old concepts reimagined (like the recent Necromunda gangs), but there are a lot of things in 40K these days that are nailed down as "The Immutable Truth".

Chairman Aeon wrote:
The design interviews show that to this day the sculptor has lots of leeway on the interpretation of “Puritan inquisitor”.

I think that's a good thing. It's how even when there are Primaris Marines up the wazoo all boring us to tears we can still get awesome looking minis like this which may not be exactly the mini I really want, but is close enough.

Anyone using the term "SJW" is basically waving a big red flag warning people not to take them seriously. The only reason to use that term is to conjure up a scary feminist straw man so you can signal others to participate in your safe space groupthink where anyone even attempting to problematize sexualization is branded "SJW" and marginalized.

Of course this happens on both sides, as I experienced when I dared criticize the hostile and frankly gross tone of discussion used on the "Feminist 40k" Facebook page. I quickly left that group after that incident.

In any case I sincerely doubt either of those extremes would be allowed to influence GWs direction in any way. The one time GW responded to the feminist 40k page to ensure they were working towards diversification, they did so in a measured and completely reasonable fashion. And I think we can safely say that Celestine and her Gemini represent the direction GW is taking Sisters. Boob armor and metal corsets aren't going anywhere.

 jake wrote:

What I do see here is a lot of people saying "It would be nice if some of the more sexualized elements and semi-questionable elements of the range were toned down a bit while keeping the core themes and established style of the army." Which is a pretty reasonable position. And there are a lot of people here who are reasonably agreeing or disagreeing with that, which is fine. reasonable discussion is good. But theres also a lot of people here who are having kind of a tantrum over just the idea being discussed, and even more people who are acting like there's some kind of feminist gestapo that is going to burst down Games Workshop's doors and force them to make something that no one wants. Frankly, the amount of "Oh no, SJWs/feminists/tumbr is out to get us" comments here is kind of embarrassing.

This is exactly right.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

And on purpose. It was a creative decision made in the early days of BL to have BL (or even every BL writer's own mini-40K) basically be a "variant Universe"/Ultimate 40K/whatever to have creative freedom.

I really wish this piece of information was stickied with giant flaming letters on top of the Background section of this forum...

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Zingraff wrote:
I don't expect them to pay much attention to vocal proponents of flat boots and "practical" armour,

All Sisters models except a very recent one had flat boots, flat boots are part of their design since the very start, I hate it when people like you want to change established things for political reasons lo .

Good point!

I'm happy as long as they keep the bob haircuts! I will not buy them if they remake them without bob cuts. That's really all that matters to me.

 Sqorgar wrote:
I don't know if you've been paying attention to what has been happening in Magic: The Gathering, pen and paper rpgs, video games, comic books, young adult fiction, science fiction awards, open source software development, search engine interoffice email suggestions, or whatever else, but nerds are being treated like nerds again.

You are such a tearjerker really!
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And apparently I'm not a nerd anymore? I guess that's what happens when one get political opinions that Sqorgar disagree with. They lose their nerd card, and have to forfeit their nerd credentials. Being a computer dev with a PhD in theoretical computer science working in a company targeted toward gamers and created by someone who has a profile on Liquidpedia as a Starcraft 2 semi-pro player isn't enough, neither is playing wargames since middle school, more than 15 years ago. Nope.
Can't wait for the mods to do their job already and tell whiners like you to take their whining to a thread in General where it gets locked when it inevitably devolves into name-calling because that's all you and your ilk seem capable of. Call it something like "The feminazi are putting nerds in concentration camp again!!! Nerds are the true oppressed victims all others are just whiners!" or something like this so normal people know to avoid it.


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 Zingraff wrote:
I'm happy as long as they keep the bob haircuts! I will not buy them if they remake them without bob cuts. That's really all that matters to me.

Honestly that's the one thing about the Sisters esthetic that I can see them change. I mean, the first model that broke the bob haircut rule isn't exactly recent, it came out in 2003 :

However, I am almost sure that they will keep some bobcut options in the box, so you can keep your army bobcut only, hopefully!

Well thanks for showing us that both sides can be equally good tearjerkers

It's amazing how predictably any SOB discussion always degenerates to this level

There's no way the bobs are going. It's the SoB look (!)

I honestly hate wargamers sometimes, this thread shows exactly why we can't have nice things. And this is just a "hey, maybe soon yeah?" thread, whats it going to be like when they're released and they happen to not be what everyone "expected/wanted/better than the trolls wanted but they still want to REEEEE at something"

Shut it down.

There won't be radical changes in SoB design, but nevertheless, guys, what would be so bad about a slight change of, for example, the boob-cup-rockets to a monoplate as seen for example with the female stormcasts?! Would solve some issuse, that boile down to "oversexulising" as well as giving the range more "realism" the devided boob-plate is risk for your sternum ;-).

 ulgurstasta wrote:
Well thanks for showing us that both sides can be equally good tearjerkers

I'm not tearjerking. I'm annoyed by reading the same old bs, and pretty confident that GW will release something very close to the new Celestine aesthetic, which I am very satisfied with (even though there are points where I like the previous Celestine better, but none that are relevant to the general aesthetics, it's specific to that model). Overall I'm pretty hyped. I just wish Dakka mods did their job here.


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Bloodmaster wrote:
There won't be radical changes in SoB design, but nevertheless, guys, what would be so bad about a slight change of, for example, the boob-cup-rockets to a monoplate as seen for example with the female stormcasts?! Would solve some issuse, that boile down to "oversexulising" as well as giving the range more "realism" the devided boob-plate is risk for your sternum ;-).

I don't think it's going to happen but I would have no problem with it happening, just want the monoplate to still be very very baroque and ornamented and over the top.

I'm fine with "monoplate" or whatever we choose to call it.

The SoB power armour is supposed to resemble clothing, and the cuirass specifically imitates a corset. And most corsets do not have separate, built-in breast cups like you see on the SoB cuirass.

Vorian wrote:
There's no way the bobs are going. It's the SoB look (!)

My aunt had the same hairstyle for the longest time, and she has black hair, so for years it looked like squads of my aunt. So strange.

Chikout wrote:
The aesthetic of the new sisters is already pretty set is it not?
The new Celestine is very much in line with the style of the old sisters. I can't imagine that they will stray too far from that. I hope they keep the design of the helmets. It was one of my favourite things about the old range.

The only reason I haven't bought that model (Celestine) is I don't think I could do a very good job on the birds, and I think the birds kind of make the model :/

The more I see it though, the more I think I might try taking a swing at it, anyway.

 Galas wrote:
Guys this MadCowCrazy guy is the one that posted images of anatomic studies of Celestine saying she was fat, and called everyone a SJW (even HMBC!) when they told him that was nonsense.
4chan has allready consumed him. We can only pray for his soul.

Lol you gotta tell me where to read that, sounds hilarious

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
It's astounding to see such frothing at the mouth about these "SJWs" and "Feminists" who are supposedly ruining everything, yet aforementioned ruiners are nowhere to be seen. As usual. Because they don't exist.

Oh, the stereotypical SJW's are certainly out there--the internet is the home of people who don't understand you can make a good point in a bad way, and feminism has bad advocates, just like every other cause in existence. But their numbers and influence are wildly exaggerated, because people want to have a bogeyman that they can rail against to get a quick and easy rush of righteous outrage about how Those Scary People Somewhere Out There are going to ruin everything.

I think a point that always gets missed is that there's a distinction between "impressive" or "attractive" and "sexualised". It's theoretically possible to have female models that are baroque, stylised and / or aesthetically pleasing without inevitably needing to jump to "Hey, look at the boobs!".

 jake wrote:

Frozen Ocean wasn't saying that feminists don't exist. He was saying that these "scary feminists" that so many people here are afraid will ruin everything aren't actually showing their heads here at all. But that hasn't stopped dozens and dozens of people from complaining about them for page after page as if they're about to show up with pitchforks.

What I do see here is a lot of people saying "It would be nice if some of the more sexualized elements and semi-questionable elements of the range were toned down a bit while keeping the core themes and established style of the army." Which is a pretty reasonable position. And there are a lot of people here who are reasonably agreeing or disagreeing with that, which is fine. reasonable discussion is good. But theres also a lot of people here who are having kind of a tantrum over just the idea being discussed, and even more people who are acting like there's some kind of feminist gestapo that is going to burst down Games Workshop's doors and force them to make something that no one wants. Frankly, the amount of "Oh no, SJWs/feminists/tumbr is out to get us" comments here is kind of embarrassing.

Yes, thank you. I was trying to say that by far the most powerful whiners are the ones crying about these "feminist/SJW boogeymen". It's the exact same "feminists hate us and ruin everything" argument that always comes up, in massive force, whenever just about anything happens involving anything other than straight white men exclusively. Stuff like Tracer in Overwatch being a lesbian, or the Black Panther having black people in it (shocker), get the same GamerGatey reaction of "Tumblr is ruining everything!".

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Because they don't exist.

Feminists don't exist?

Well if you mean a vast conspiracy to make “boy”s things” unfun, then no they don’t.

Yes, thank you. Obviously they exist in the sense that they are a real thing in the world somewhere, so wording it as "a vast conspiracy" is a very good way to put it.

Dont the geminae still have the bobcuts? Not much to worry about there, either.

Hopefully all the plastic kits can have helmets, i hate warriors without helmets.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Dont the geminae still have the bobcuts? Not much to worry about there, either.

Hopefully all the plastic kits can have helmets, i hate warriors without helmets.

Seraphim actually don't get hand flamers - they're issued just as much hairspray as every other Sister, but use all of it to burn heretics instead of doing their hair. This is canon. Probably.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Dont the geminae still have the bobcuts? Not much to worry about there, either.

Hopefully all the plastic kits can have helmets, i hate warriors without helmets.

Yeah, nothing to worry about. The only bobless non-Repentia is Celestine. She's always been a rebel.

I demand modern standards. Enough helmeted and unhelmeted heads should be on the sprue so that you can pick whichever you like best. GW has been pretty good about this with some kits, like Reivers and Allarus. No reason to stop now.

 Geifer wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Dont the geminae still have the bobcuts? Not much to worry about there, either.

Hopefully all the plastic kits can have helmets, i hate warriors without helmets.

Yeah, nothing to worry about. The only bobless non-Repentia is Celestine. She's always been a rebel.

I demand modern standards. Enough helmeted and unhelmeted heads should be on the sprue so that you can pick whichever you like best. GW has been pretty good about this with some kits, like Reivers and Allarus. No reason to stop now.

Is her hair not just a bob doing some spooky floating?

Vorian wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Dont the geminae still have the bobcuts? Not much to worry about there, either.

Hopefully all the plastic kits can have helmets, i hate warriors without helmets.

Yeah, nothing to worry about. The only bobless non-Repentia is Celestine. She's always been a rebel.

I demand modern standards. Enough helmeted and unhelmeted heads should be on the sprue so that you can pick whichever you like best. GW has been pretty good about this with some kits, like Reivers and Allarus. No reason to stop now.

Is her hair not just a bob doing some spooky floating?

I'm honestly not sure. Looking at plastic Celestine (let's just forget about the metals now that GW gave a statement of intent, ok? ), from several angles it looks like it. From others, it doesn't appear conventional. Like the length from the front. The twins have hair extending below the jaw. Celestine's isn't that long, and it's something that can't be accounted for by windiness or ethereal floatiness.

Maybe I'm just dreaming it up and seeing what I want to see, though? Don't know. I do know that unlike every other Sister in existence, with hair like that she is totally and unquestionably out of uniform.

The regular sisters will most likely still have bobcuts. Special characters naturally have more leeway, it’s a great way to distinguish them from the rank and file. While a regular sister would get a severe reprimand from her superior (and would have to endure penitence) if she let her hair grow beyond regulated length, no one is going to bother the living saint about it. She is too busy smiting heretics to care about such mundane matters.

No more discussion of "feminists" "SJWs" or any other OT topic, on either side, please!

We have an OT forum for just this reason. This thread is for discussing News & Rumors about plastic Sisters of Battle, and not any larger social issues, attitudes, etc.

So, please stay On Topic here to news about SoB from now on - thanks all!

 Oguhmek wrote:
The regular sisters will most likely still have bobcuts. Special characters naturally have more leeway, it’s a great way to distinguish them from the rank and file. While a regular sister would get a severe reprimand from her superior (and would have to endure penitence) if she let her hair grow beyond regulated length, no one is going to bother the living saint about it. She is too busy smiting heretics to care about such mundane matters.

I would have said she's too busy dying to the puniest attack to demonstrate her awesome ability to come back from the dead, but yeah, quite. Celestine is the perfect model to get her hair messed up because of her station.

Another cool one could be a Canoness with an undercut because she's heavily augmented. Or perhaps a veteran Sister, or the Superior of a Retributor squad who has a signum built into the metal half of her skull.

Heh, the things you could do with multi part plastic kits. Emperor willing.

 Geifer wrote:

Another cool one could be a Canoness with an undercut because she's heavily augmented. Or perhaps a veteran Sister, or the Superior of a Retributor squad who has a signum built into the metal half of her skull.

Heh, the things you could do with multi part plastic kits. Emperor willing.

This is something I'm hoping for. I'd love to have some options for some bionic implants.

Celestine doesn’t have a bob because she never got around to cutting her hair after raising from should be dead Repentia to Living Saint.

I have never really liked the bobcuts, but I'm pretty sure that this is what we will be getting. But that's fine, I will be giving mine Statuesque Miniatures' bald heads anyway.

I find it so much easier painting helmets than dealing with hair and skin that the helmet options will be great if included.

Yeah, I was personally never big on the bob cuts, at least not as something on every model. I hope the kits when they come include enough helmeted heads for everyone, enough bob cuts for everyone, and then maybe a few extra heads with different hairstyles/features for extra measure. I mean, if the 5 man box of Scions can have 17 heads in it, I would think a 10 pack of Sisters can squeeze in a decent number.

One other thing I wouldn't mind is the heads being somewhat compatible with the Scion, Cadian, or Genestealer Cult kits, to give some mix and matching fun. I know I bought something like 40 statuesque heads awhile back for that specific reason.

kurhanik wrote:
Yeah, I was personally never big on the bob cuts, at least not as something on every model. I hope the kits when they come include enough helmeted heads for everyone, enough bob cuts for everyone, and then maybe a few extra heads with different hairstyles/features for extra measure. I mean, if the 5 man box of Scions can have 17 heads in it, I would think a 10 pack of Sisters can squeeze in a decent number.

One other thing I wouldn't mind is the heads being somewhat compatible with the Scion, Cadian, or Genestealer Cult kits, to give some mix and matching fun. I know I bought something like 40 statuesque heads awhile back for that specific reason.

Wait wait wait wait wait wait

That means female Imperial Guard! *excite*