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**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Prestor Jon wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Do American drug dogs not multi-task?

All of them over here in the UK are trained to sniff out all sorts of drugs, and one that could only search for weed would not pass the initial test to be 'employed'

so even if weed was legalised they should be able to work on looking for the more harmful drugs like heroin, crack, cocaine, methamphetamines etc which are not easy for normal people to smell (unlike weed)

An appeals court in Colorado threw out a conviction based on a police search of a car found meth after a K9 alerted to drugs because the police couldn’t know of the dog alerted to legal marijuana or an illegal drug. Drug sniffing dogs are usually trained to alert to a half dozen drugs so now Colorado needs to retrain or retire dogs that trained to alert to marijuana.

https://www.aspentimes.com/news/ruling-complicates-use-of-pot-sniffing-dogs/

In a Moffat County case stemming from 2015, the appeals court ruled that police did not have probable cause to search a vehicle based only on the alert of a drug dog that was trained to alert to marijuana as well as other drugs. Since marijuana is generally legal in Colorado and the dog could not signal whether it smelled marijuana or another substance, the appeals court ruled that police did not have probable cause for the search.

Ah that actually makes sense, thanks for the info

**d-usa**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Disciple of Fate wrote:
So Dutch media are reporting that Trump told Macron today he is quitting the Iran deal. If this is true, we can all marvel at how Trump and co are going to somehow spin Iran getting nuclear weapons as Obama's fault 2 years after he stopped being President.
The big thing I see is a dramatic undermining of US credibility abroad. Our diplomatic deals will not be seen with nearly the same legitimacy. It also pretty much kills Trump's chances of reaching diplomatic solutions to major issues during his Presidency. I'd bet this will affect the Korea talks.

Trump's way of making deals makes any deal worthless.

Earlier this year he announced an agreement with South Korea to revise a trade deal between our two countries. Minutes after announcing it he declared that maybe he won't actually follow it and use it instead as leverage against South Korea to do something about North Korea. Basically it was "we negotiated a deal, but feth that deal unless we get more". So why would anyone in their right mind negotiate anything with us right now?

**Disciple of Fate**

It won't help Trump at all. As has been said before in the thread this is great for his NK talks. Who cares if you uphold your end of the bargain, he might just go nuh uh and invade you anyway over made up stuff. Truely Trump is the greatest advocate of nuclear proliferation of our time.

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Wolfblade wrote:

Ah, so this is still relevant then.

I like you for posting this video. But I'm dissapointed you didn't include the version in which the family gets nuked "because Iran deal bad"

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Vaktathi wrote:
Disciple of Fate wrote:
So Dutch media are reporting that Trump told Macron today he is quitting the Iran deal. If this is true, we can all marvel at how Trump and co are going to somehow spin Iran getting nuclear weapons as Obama's fault 2 years after he stopped being President.
Too true.

More to the point however, aside from pandering to a base that wont leave him anyway, Im not sure what this is intended to accomplish.

There appears to be little evidence Iran is doing what Trump claims. In fact, we're hearing a lot about how Trump is likely to withdraw but almost nothing on actually why.

Scrapping the Iran deal would certainly not help the upcoming Korean issues (in fact, after Iraq, Libya and now seemingly Iran, if I were NK I'd be redoubling my nuke efforts at this point). Other partners that had to be carefully corralled into the Iran deal will now be exasperated and annoyed and will be unlikely to reimpose sanctions, which will both undercut future US deals and remove much if not most of the bite of reimposed IS sanctions.

So US diplomacy, credibility, and standing will suffer, for no discernible advantage other than..."stignnnit".

Thats apparently how you Make America Great Again.

:/

I don't think Trump has a why. He is just doing what gets him the most applause at one of his own rallies. As if a man who need flashcards could actually grasp such a complicated issue enough to make an informed decision. He is being fed a steady diet of lies by his closest people.

Other parties such as the EU have already said they will uphold the deal.

**Easy E**

Bolton and Netanyahu are as giddy as school girls right now!

**Disciple of Fate**

English source https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/world/middleeast/trump-iran-nuclear-deal.html

The U.S. Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal, Trump Tells Macron

WASHINGTON — President Trump told President Emmanuel Macron of France on Tuesday morning that he plans to announce the withdrawal of the United States from the Iran nuclear deal, according to a person briefed on the conversation.

Mr. Trump’s decision unravels the signature foreign policy achievement of his predecessor, Barack Obama, isolating the United States among its allies and leaving it at even greater odds with its adversaries in dealing with the Iranians.

The United States is preparing to reinstate all sanctions it had waived as part of the nuclear accord — and impose additional economic penalties as well, the person said.

A second person familiar with negotiations to keep the 2015 accord in place said the talks collapsed over Mr. Trump’s insistence that sharp limits be kept on Iran’s nuclear fuel production after 2030. The deal currently lifts those limits.

Mr. Trump is planning to formally announce his decision at 2 p.m. on Tuesday at the White House.

Mr. Trump’s decision, while long anticipated and widely telegraphed, plunges America’s relations with European allies into deep uncertainty. They have committed to staying in the deal, raising the prospect of a diplomatic and economic clash as the United States reimposes stringent sanctions on Iran.

It also raises the prospect of increased tensions with Russia and China, which also are parties to the agreement........

**Easy E**

This is deeply stupid, but I can't get that mad. Idiots do stupid stuff. Getting mad would be like getting mad at a dog for barking. That's what it does. President trump did something stupid cheered on by a bunch of stupids.... that is what they do.

However, I can be mad that people who are not idiots voted for an idiot or did not vote at all!

**whembly**

Disciple of Fate wrote:
English source https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/world/middleeast/trump-iran-nuclear-deal.html

The U.S. Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal, Trump Tells Macron

WASHINGTON — President Trump told President Emmanuel Macron of France on Tuesday morning that he plans to announce the withdrawal of the United States from the Iran nuclear deal, according to a person briefed on the conversation.

Mr. Trump’s decision unravels the signature foreign policy achievement of his predecessor, Barack Obama, isolating the United States among its allies and leaving it at even greater odds with its adversaries in dealing with the Iranians.

The United States is preparing to reinstate all sanctions it had waived as part of the nuclear accord — and impose additional economic penalties as well, the person said.

A second person familiar with negotiations to keep the 2015 accord in place said the talks collapsed over Mr. Trump’s insistence that sharp limits be kept on Iran’s nuclear fuel production after 2030. The deal currently lifts those limits.

Mr. Trump is planning to formally announce his decision at 2 p.m. on Tuesday at the White House.

Mr. Trump’s decision, while long anticipated and widely telegraphed, plunges America’s relations with European allies into deep uncertainty. They have committed to staying in the deal, raising the prospect of a diplomatic and economic clash as the United States reimposes stringent sanctions on Iran.

It also raises the prospect of increased tensions with Russia and China, which also are parties to the agreement........

This is *why* the treaty route should've been used.

**Disciple of Fate**

This is why idiots with no grasp of international issues or knowledge of the consequences of their actions shouldn't be elected

**Ustrello**

Disciple of Fate wrote:
This is why idiots with no grasp of international issues or knowledge of the consequences of their actions shouldn't be elected

In before certain posters try to assign blame to the democrats instead

**Disciple of Fate**

Ustrello wrote:
Disciple of Fate wrote:
This is why idiots with no grasp of international issues or knowledge of the consequences of their actions shouldn't be elected

In before certain posters try to assign blame to the democrats instead

2020, Iran has developed nuclear weapons... "but her emailssss!!!!!!!!!"

**feeder**

"They shouldn't have nominated Hilary. It's their fault, gosh darn it!"

**Prestor Jon**

whembly wrote:
Disciple of Fate wrote:
English source https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/world/middleeast/trump-iran-nuclear-deal.html

The U.S. Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal, Trump Tells Macron

WASHINGTON — President Trump told President Emmanuel Macron of France on Tuesday morning that he plans to announce the withdrawal of the United States from the Iran nuclear deal, according to a person briefed on the conversation.

Mr. Trump’s decision unravels the signature foreign policy achievement of his predecessor, Barack Obama, isolating the United States among its allies and leaving it at even greater odds with its adversaries in dealing with the Iranians.

The United States is preparing to reinstate all sanctions it had waived as part of the nuclear accord — and impose additional economic penalties as well, the person said.

A second person familiar with negotiations to keep the 2015 accord in place said the talks collapsed over Mr. Trump’s insistence that sharp limits be kept on Iran’s nuclear fuel production after 2030. The deal currently lifts those limits.

Mr. Trump is planning to formally announce his decision at 2 p.m. on Tuesday at the White House.

Mr. Trump’s decision, while long anticipated and widely telegraphed, plunges America’s relations with European allies into deep uncertainty. They have committed to staying in the deal, raising the prospect of a diplomatic and economic clash as the United States reimposes stringent sanctions on Iran.

It also raises the prospect of increased tensions with Russia and China, which also are parties to the agreement........

This is *why* the treaty route should've been used.

True. If the Iran deal had become a treaty that was ratified by an act of Congress then the US couldn't walk away from it without a subsequent act of congress opting out of the deal. Instead we were left with the US as an at will participant in a gentleman's agreement so PotUS or Congress could have ended our participation in it at anytime.

**Disciple of Fate**

Prestor Jon wrote:
whembly wrote:
Disciple of Fate wrote:
English source https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/world/middleeast/trump-iran-nuclear-deal.html

The U.S. Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal, Trump Tells Macron

WASHINGTON — President Trump told President Emmanuel Macron of France on Tuesday morning that he plans to announce the withdrawal of the United States from the Iran nuclear deal, according to a person briefed on the conversation.

Mr. Trump’s decision unravels the signature foreign policy achievement of his predecessor, Barack Obama, isolating the United States among its allies and leaving it at even greater odds with its adversaries in dealing with the Iranians.

The United States is preparing to reinstate all sanctions it had waived as part of the nuclear accord — and impose additional economic penalties as well, the person said.

A second person familiar with negotiations to keep the 2015 accord in place said the talks collapsed over Mr. Trump’s insistence that sharp limits be kept on Iran’s nuclear fuel production after 2030. The deal currently lifts those limits.

Mr. Trump is planning to formally announce his decision at 2 p.m. on Tuesday at the White House.

Mr. Trump’s decision, while long anticipated and widely telegraphed, plunges America’s relations with European allies into deep uncertainty. They have committed to staying in the deal, raising the prospect of a diplomatic and economic clash as the United States reimposes stringent sanctions on Iran.

It also raises the prospect of increased tensions with Russia and China, which also are parties to the agreement........

This is *why* the treaty route should've been used.

True. If the Iran deal had become a treaty that was ratified by an act of Congress then the US couldn't walk away from it without a subsequent act of congress opting out of the deal. Instead we were left with the US as an at will participant in a gentleman's agreement so PotUS or Congress could have ended our participation in it at anytime.

Ratified in Republican Congress under Obama? It wasn't instead, it was the only viable political option.

**d-usa**

Sometimes you do the best you can with the tools you have.

Which is why you end up with budget reconciliation bills and executive orders, even if your own party controls both chambers and the house.

**Ustrello**

d-usa wrote:
Sometimes you do the best you can with the tools you have.

Which is why you end up with budget reconciliation bills and executive orders, even if your own party controls both chambers and the house.

Calling the current GOP a party is like saying just because I have a bachelors I am qualified to teach 400 level college courses

**Vaktathi**

It's cute and all to be like "shoulda done a treaty", but lets also be real, that was a practical impossibility, the GOP was never going to allow that to happen and two thirds majorities were never going to materialize for anything on this subject (or damn near any other) in the political environment that existed then and still exists today, and I'm not sure why people are forgetting that.

**whembly**

Vaktathi wrote:
It's cute and all to be like "shoulda done a treaty", but lets also be real, that was a practical impossibility, the GOP was never going to allow that to happen and two thirds majorities were never going to materialize for anything on this subject (or damn near any other) in the political environment that existed then and still exists today, and I'm not sure why people are forgetting that.

If the GOP was never going to do it... maybe the US shouldn't be in this situation in the first place?

**Da Boss**

whembly, minus this deal, what is preventing Iran from restarting their nuclear weapons program and developing a bomb?

**d-usa**

That would depend on whether lack of congressional support is based on anything factual or if it is based on simple partisan opposition.

That's like saying the Trump administration shouldn't negotiate with anything about anything since his party doesn't have the numbers to ratify treaties.

**feeder**

d-usa wrote:
That would depend on whether lack of congressional support is based on anything factual or if it is based on simple partisan opposition.

Watson, I think we have the smoking gun.

**Da Boss**

Well, he pulled out of the deal. I guess we all know what America's word is worth now, eh?

**Disciple of Fate**

Its official, Trump reneges on the deal.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44045957

**NinthMusketeer**

Ustrello wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Sometimes you do the best you can with the tools you have.

Which is why you end up with budget reconciliation bills and executive orders, even if your own party controls both chambers and the house.

Calling the current GOP a party is like saying just because I have a bachelors I am qualified to teach 400 level college courses

It's a party, it just isn't a conservative party. To be conservative and to be Republican are now mutually exclusive.

**Disciple of Fate**

whembly wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
It's cute and all to be like "shoulda done a treaty", but lets also be real, that was a practical impossibility, the GOP was never going to allow that to happen and two thirds majorities were never going to materialize for anything on this subject (or damn near any other) in the political environment that existed then and still exists today, and I'm not sure why people are forgetting that.

If the GOP was never going to do it... maybe the US shouldn't be in this situation in the first place?

What situation? The situation of encouraging Iran not to build the bomb and start a regional arms race?

**tneva82**

Da Boss wrote:
Well, he pulled out of the deal. I guess we all know what America's word is worth now, eh?

Nothing. Then again it never was. Nk probably doubles nuke program seeing it's the only way to be safe. Otherwise whatever they do they will get invaded

**whembly**

Da Boss wrote:
whembly, minus this deal, what is preventing Iran from restarting their nuclear weapons program and developing a bomb?

With the deal... nothing.

**d-usa**

whembly wrote:
Da Boss wrote:
whembly, minus this deal, what is preventing Iran from restarting their nuclear weapons program and developing a bomb?

With the deal... nothing.

When facts don't matter, solutions become worthless.

**whembly**

Da Boss wrote:
Well, he pulled out of the deal. I guess we all know what America's word is worth now, eh?

Sure... go with that.

If you wanted it enshrined, it needed to be ratified as a treaty.

I think the countries would know that...

**Kilkrazy**

Disciple of Fate wrote:
So Dutch media are reporting that Trump told Macron today he is quitting the Iran deal. If this is true, we can all marvel at how Trump and co are going to somehow spin Iran getting nuclear weapons as Obama's fault 2 years after he stopped being President.

While simultaneously doing a mega sanctions lifting deal with Lil Kim to get NK to rescind their nuclear programme.

Trumpism requires such epic levels of cognitive dissonance that one has to admire the ability of Trumpists to maintain doublethink.

**Disciple of Fate**

whembly wrote:
Da Boss wrote:
Well, he pulled out of the deal. I guess we all know what America's word is worth now, eh?

Sure... go with that.

If you wanted it enshrined, it needed to be ratified as a treaty.

I think the countries would know that...

Because treaties are ironclad and no country ever broke those?