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has a wee bit more info and 2 vids, including some gameplay -- talk one is half an hour or so...
.. battle one is just under 2 hours ..
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When an existing ship is re-released or re-packaged or whatever they're going to call it, will they put in a sneaky new card or 2 that weren't in the conversion box? Forcing people to re-buy all the models again for a card?
I'm out if that happens.
Also sucks that in a game called X-Wing, they only saw fit to put 2 X-wings in the conversion pack but 2 versions of a unique design like Sabine's TIE.
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When an existing ship is re-released or re-packaged or whatever they're going to call it, will they put in a sneaky new card or 2 that weren't in the conversion box? Forcing people to re-buy all the models again for a card?
I'm out if that happens.
Also sucks that in a game called X-Wing, they only saw fit to put 2 X-wings in the conversion pack but 2 versions of a unique design like Sabine's TIE.
The upgrade box's just don't work, one won't cover my collection because I have multiple copies of some ships (i.e 4 x-wings) and buying multiple copies means I paying for lots of duplicates I don't need.
They would have to sell upgrade cards packs for each ship already released indiviually, and they would need to be super cheap for me to even consider moving to 2nd edition.
Everyone in my small gaming group has had the same reaction, I'm out. So we already know we will stick with the original edition, I just don't see what the new edition can offer that would make me justify the expense of upgrading my collection to the new rules.
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GoatboyBeta wrote: Going by the descriptions in the news articles the first waves of 2nd ed ship blisters have the same cards that are in the upgrade boxes.
They have aluded to the fact that this will not be the case (for ships releasing alongside the 2.0 core box) but I suspect they will be very lawyery about the wording.. and that this WILL happen from Wave 2 of the reprints onwards.
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Just watched the Team Covenant video and the key take away points for me (YMMV!) are the following..
1) Points costs are going off of the card into an app and maybe a pdf file. Not a fan of that change as I build my lists with the cards not an app. I don't see how that single number was somehow daunting to new players of any age old enough to fit their own recommended demographics (14 and up according to FFG).
2) Pilot stats are also disappearing off of the cardboard inserts you put on the bases of ships in order to put more complex firing arcs on there with less clutter. Again, not a fan of that either. When teaching new players, it was infinitely easier to tell them to look at the actual model's base to find a stat than to have them hunt for a card out of dozen(s) in front of them.
3) Upgrade cards will apparently be faction based. If you're a pure Rebel player, you don't have to buy multiples of an Imperial fighter to get multiple "I have you now!" cards or somesuch. If you want to catch'em all, you just have to buy your own faction. A positive change in my book despite my own previous history of buying multiples of everything for the first half dozen waves or so (I quit buying everything around the time the TIE Defender came out).
4) The buy in to convert your existing collection (cardboard compenents, cards, dials) to the new edition will be $40 for the core set + $50 per faction update box. If you're an Imp and Rebel player, you'll need to fork out $140+tax/shipping. There are luckily according to Red's listing on page 1 at least two dials per ship (more for spammable ones like TIE fighters) but $50 for some card components is a bit of sticker shock for me personally but still within the realm of fair overall. YMMV.
5) There will be 5 factions as resistance and new order instead of just 3. I can see why they did that and why they wouldn't do Separatists and Old Republic as well since those likely won't be getting new stuff.
6) X wing models will have moveable wings to put them into attack position!
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Points cost going off card is to facilitate ongoing and rapid rebalancing. I've no problem with that.
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Stormonu wrote: I got lucky - I liked about 99% of the ships in the game (Hound’s Tooth and Hawk being the two off the top of my head I didn’t like), so I never felt the “gotta buy this ship to get that card” because I was going to get the ship anyway. The last few waves though I have found myself passing on, the ships had gotten to the point I wasn’t familiar with them (and I realized I was probably never going to fly a Scum faction list, so stopped buying for that faction), so my purchases had really slowed down. I think the last thing I picked up was the imperial missile boat - none of the others in that wave, and just imperials for the prior two or three.
Yeah, me too. The Imperial missile boat (or gunboat?) was my last and the only ones in the past couple years prior to that were the U-wing and two of the Force Awakens X-wings. I don't want to send out the wrong message and have folks think I didn't like the idea of including EU stuff (I did!) but I only bought the EU stuff that I had nostalgia for and felt no need to chase after cards in ships that I couldn't even identify despite my 30+ years of Star Wars fandom. I only wish they came out with an official TIE Predator but given the era that its from it's understandable they didn't.
Regarding point 3, what they said specifically was that you wouldnt have to buy, say, the Imperial Conversion pack if you are a Rebel player (on the basis that there were cards in it that you could use in your Rebel fleet, but did not come in your Rebel Conversion pack). What this means - I suspect - is that the packs will consist of 30ish cards that are only useable in that faction.. so your YT-1300 title cards etc.. and 120ish generic cards like Proton Torpedos, Heavy Laser Cannon etc, and the generic cards will be the same in each Conversion pack.
This also ties in with what was said about the initial wave of releases - so I don't think the 2.0 X-wing will include cards that were not in the Rebel Conversion pack (nor generic cards that were absent from the Imperial and Scum packs) but going forwards with Wave 2 etc I think it will be business as usual.
Wow; that's a sticker shock. For a game I casually play with small collections for each of the factions, there's no way I'm keeping current with that. I'm used to $10-20 faction deck updates... I don't care how many do-dads they added; that's not a practical change, in my book.
Having read through the contents of the conversion packs I'd need 5, plus the new starter. The cost of which could buy me entire army's of MODELS for basically any other game system you can name.
Not going to happen FFG.
Also the must use app - playing Wargames is something I do to get away from staring at a screen all day. I hope this doesn't catch on with other games.
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So Turrets have changed,
ordnance is now multi shot with the number of uses on the card, force abilities are in,
squadron abilities maybe in,
medium bases are in,
all ships gain the bullseye arc,
the phases have been renamed to make things clearer (hopefully).
Upgrades are now limited to specific pilots.
Multi actions at once are a thing without cards like PTL.
Actions can now cause stress.
Wave 14 stuff is multi edition.
Reserves are now a thing with new placement options.
Some titles and abilities are now baked into the ship.
Scuurg and Firespray are now Scum only.
Looks like regenerate is now an action.
Pilot skill have gone down accross the board.
Resistance and FO are now their own uniqu factions.
New templates are easier to sort bumps.
Revamp of the organised play system (mostly just renaming stuff seemingly).
200pts system, though we cant tell that because nothing is costed on the card because that's now on the app only (except for GW like power levels).
New Y-Wing and Fang fighter models with the core set X-Wing being the new moveable wings one.
Lambda finally gets a rear arc!
And a new damage deck so the new core is a must.
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Sure it is. GW rules you buy in a book and you're done. You don't have to buy the rules with miniatures or get 'upgrades' to replace all your useless cards.
Well the upgrade boxes per faction are going to be $50, the new core set is $40 (both USD). They contain everything you need to upgrade from V1 to V2, including all the cards. That seems pretty comparable to GW.
TBF, I started X Wing because I was sick of 40K, and it's only really recently this has ever been a problem, largely because there wasn't sufficient design space to do anything new, but huge commercial pressure to release new product. So you got Malibu Stacey with a new blaster turret.
I played almost exclusively X Wing for 3 years+ and had a blast most of the time, happily buying all the new stuff because the new stuff meant more fun.
If I never play a game of second and sell my stuff, I won't regret a single minute or £ spent on the game.
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Yeah the second edition is very needed, especially in the competitive scene. There is no need to rebuy individual ships to get all the stuff (unless you want the upgraded models) as the conversion packs are stated to contain all the exact same cards.
I guess some people just need an excuse to whine? May as well just carry on playing V1 if its a problem, FFG haven't installed self destruct devices into it.
For those interested here is a vid from Team Covenant that goes into detail for content and game play, including a demo game by the designer.
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Sure it is. GW rules you buy in a book and you're done. You don't have to buy the rules with miniatures or get 'upgrades' to replace all your useless cards.
As someone noted elsewhere, to move into 40k 8th edition you needed the rulebook, then the indexes, and then the codices. And even then some options for specific models.had been removed invalidating elements of individual model collections. The companies have different methods of disseminating rules, but in either system upgrading to a new version requires a lot of paper products at significant expense.
I'm not complaining as I think the new version sounds interesting and will bring new fun and discoveries, but I can see why.some people.would be put off.
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
I guess some people just need an excuse to whine? May as well just carry on playing V1 if its a problem, FFG haven't installed self destruct devices into it.
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Lol. Just when 3-4 years of people arguing this point about WHFB/AoS was about to quiet down a bit.
Flinty wrote: As someone noted elsewhere, to move into 40k 8th edition you needed the rulebook, then the indexes, and then the codices. And even then some options for specific models.had been removed invalidating elements of individual model collections. The companies have different methods of disseminating rules, but in either system upgrading to a new version requires a lot of paper products at significant expense.
And as I noted, it's not the same.
You buy the rules and a book, and you're done. X-Wing you have to keep buying miniatures, sometimes ones you already have, to get more cards. That's never been an issue in 40K. The rules are separated from the pieces needed to play the game. With X-Wing the two are intrinsic, and now they've switched to another edition so all the cards you got are useless and you have to start again. Plus if you don't think there will be new things packaged only with existing miniatures (let alone new miniatures) then I have a bridge to sell you.
But from what I see all the upgrades will be available through the App, so all you really need to play your existing collection are the maneuver dials. Theoretically you need the base inlays but they can be proxied easily enough. If you then want to buy new shinies then that is a personal decision.
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Much as I’m scornful for FFG’s ‘make it suck, make them pay more later’ business model, at least they’re doing the upgrade boxes, rather than making you wait for ship’s to be released.
IIRC, they've done that ever since Descent 2 was released - that had a conversion pack available with all the cards for all the heroes and monsters from 1st edition (and they subsequently did new versions of the miniatures and cards for those later on, but you didn't need to buy them). Mansions of Madness 2nd edition includes the conversion kit in the box (because there's significantly fewer bits of card required there, I suppose.
The Quick Builds thing appeals to me; that's how I've played my last few games. Give each player the choice of a 50-point squad of a pair or trio of ships with minimal upgrades, and have a big furball. If the app gives me access to all the upgrade card texts, then great. If not, then the game will still do what I want it to do, but I'm not necessarily the target audience.
I wonder if the dice and movement templates have changed? I don't really need another Core Set.
The downside, for me, is that they'll be re-releasing the same ships as before; hopefully they'll be quicker at it, or include more ships in a wave, or it's going to be hard on new players trying to take on the huge variety of 1st ed ships with only X-Wings and Y-Wings for a while.
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I watched the video above (and normally I find "battle reports" too boring to watch), and I saw a lot that I liked overall with the updated game.
However, I'm not thrilled with the idea of buying $100 to $150 worth of cardboard to keep up. Hopefully they will offer a "just the rules"/essentials sort of package like they did with Runewars - I already have 11 ties and nearly as many X-Wings; not really interested in more. And I'd really like to keep my acrylic templates.
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