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In fact only in the recent Big FAQ was it ruled that you can't make your warlord a fortification! Prior to that it was totally legal to have a tree (Feculent Gnarlmaw) or wall (Aegis Defence Line) as your warlord.
Many lols.
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Silentz wrote: BRB doesn't say it needs to be a character.
Warlord just needs to be a model.
In fact only in the recent Big FAQ was it ruled that you can't make your warlord a fortification! Prior to that it was totally legal to have a tree (Feculent Gnarlmaw) or wall (Aegis Defence Line) as your warlord.
Many lols.
I stand corrected, i thought i read it, but it was a "Character" to gain traits.
But ignore LoS weapons would ruin that... its odd choice.
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I assume the goal is to hold it in reserve for 3 turns and then drop it out of the way, counting on there being not much left able to kill it.
Or hoping you don't get to turn 4.
Ordana wrote: I assume the goal is to hold it in reserve for 3 turns and then drop it out of the way, counting on there being not much left able to kill it.
Or hoping you don't get to turn 4.
With the Mucolid Spore? The point is that spores never give up VP's, making it impossible for your opponent to score Slay the Warlord.
Ordana wrote: I assume the goal is to hold it in reserve for 3 turns and then drop it out of the way, counting on there being not much left able to kill it.
Or hoping you don't get to turn 4.
With the Mucolid Spore? The point is that spores never give up VP's, making it impossible for your opponent to score Slay the Warlord.
Basically gaming GW's poor RAW to RAI correlation.
Perfectly legal, and as it self detonates technically you can also prevent kingslayer depending on the TO's ruling.
Because like.
I'm not on it.
[Nervously follows the instructions and resubmits by forwarding the orginal email.]
Not all the lists were uploaded in the first batch - mine was missed off as well as others. If you haven't already, just forward on the original email submission to them and it'll get added on with their next batch upload.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Personally, I thought you could only make a non-character your warlord in the instance where you have no characters in the list to start with (i.e. Knights, super heavy detachments etc).
Someone pointed out there was a bit in the BRB saying it says “choose a character” but then there are several different versions of rules for each of the types of gameplay.
Not going to get fixed now, but thankfully it is only happening in 1 list.
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Amishprn86 wrote: Yeah, thats... thats taking it way to far IMO (IMO).
It what you have to expect at any big competitive event, some people go to compete, some go for the lulz and someone will be captain cheese tastic/TFG. You expect it so it's fine though every new event tends to have a really, you went that far list. Though usually those lists aren't being run by the best players.
Silentz wrote: Fantastic to see a tournament crowdsourcing their list checking like this. It's pretty fun (in a weird way) to help by going through and checking for mistakes/misunderstandings.
I expect all the Drukhari players are a bit shocked at how they are now pretty much the most played codex. Not sure that's technically true but it feels like it!
Interesting that a lot of the "pros" (or at least "people whose names I recognise") are taking T'au. Gonyo, Alex Harrison... Josh Death I think is?
Lawrence from Tabletop Tactics doesn't seem to be on there which is surprising.
The only flaw I see with this method is that if there are people who haven't yet submitted their list for some reason, you could argue that by allowing them to submit it NOW, they get the abillity to edit it based on what they see here.
However there's so much data it's hard to see what meaning you could instantly derive to make list changes.
You DEFO need to take anti horde, and you DEFO need to take anti tank, and you DEFO need to take anti air!!!
I’m not surprised by the amount of T’au. I was going to run them myself, but didn’t give myself enough time to get everything sorted. I am surprised at the amount of Stormsurges though, and the number of lists with 3 Riptides. (I also think there is only 1 Y’varhna total).
Lots of Ion Hammerheads as well. Also surprised at the amount of Pathfinders compared to the number of drones.
As for Lawrence’s list – he has been away on holiday getting engaged from what I can see, so either his list has been missed off accidently or it was bounced back/not submitted or he can’t make the event.
People submitting late get a minor penalty though – so, they’d have to win every single game really heavily and hope that no one who submitted on time does the same, in order to win.
Amishprn86 wrote: Yeah, thats... thats taking it way to far IMO (IMO).
It what you have to expect at any big competitive event, some people go to compete, some go for the lulz and someone will be captain cheese tastic/TFG. You expect it so it's fine though every new event tends to have a really, you went that far list. Though usually those lists aren't being run by the best players.
I know that and i do expect that, but if a spore isnt treated as any VP's and doesnt count for holding objectives it goes against idea that it could be a WL. And again IMO its stupid, never said it was legal and you shouldnt do it till it is faq, tournaments you play to win.
I scrolled through the lists, just to see which factions appeared most often. If a faction appeared at all, I gave them an "ally" tick, and if the list contained 1500 points or more of that one faction, I gave it a "pure" tick.
Ranked from least to most popular, we had:
Deathwatch/Harlequins: Goose egg, baby. The only factions to not appear at all in 260 pages of lists.
Space Wolves: 1 pure, 1 ally. Someone call the baja men, the dogs are stuck inside and they're probably scratching at the door to be let out, ten minutes from doing a gak on the carpet. indexes are bad, m'kay.
Orks: 4 pure. Despite the favorable ruling on Da Jump, seems orks have run out of steam despite good showings throughout the Index Era.
Assassinorum/Inquisition: 6 ally. Surprising nobody, the ally faction is only allied in, and the FAQ made that extra awkward.
Genestealer Cult: 6 Ally. Not a lot of nids players taking advantage of the nids' post faq deep strike abilities. surprising, IMO. You can definitely see these lists are designed for post-FAQ play.
Grey Knights: 4 pure, 3 ally. The perennial loser Codex, surprises nobody to see them at the bottom of the codex bucket yet again.
Ynnari: 8 ally. Oh how the mighty has fallen. We saw an absolutely staggering number of pure DE/CWE lists and not just with small allied contingents, with NO allies. Ynnari, it seems, have greatly fallen off in their effectiveness. ALso worth noting: Only ONE of these ynnari detachments was Drukhari - the rest were CWE using the predictable reapers and Shining Spears.
Imperial Knights: 2 Pure, 6 Ally. Worth noting that in most of their ally appearances, it was not just one knight - people seem to like the Warglaives ability to supply 3CP off a cheap super-heavy detachment.
Death Guard: 1 Pure, 13 Ally. Did NOT expect only one list to have over 1500pts of Death Guard, but here we are. Edged out in fact by the ol' sisters of battle. Death Guard most commonly featured in super-soupy chaos lists, splitting evenly with Daemons, THousand Sons, or other Heretic astartes.
Sisters of Battle: 1 pure, 14 Ally. Sisters continue a strong showing on the backs of dominions, celestine, cheap basic battle sisters and seraphim. Best index showing by far.
Note: Here in the mid tiers, I'm ranking based on my overall feeling about how MANY units tended to feature in allied contingents, how many lists were pure. numbers may get a bit funky here.
Dark Angels: 6 pure, 4 ally. Putting them here because typically those allly detachments were VERY Small, though they did have some dedicated pure players.
Blood Angels: 8 pure, 8 ally. Oddly, the FAQ didnt seem to blunt the popularity of the blood angels, though there are relatively few Guard/Bangle pairings (Supplanted almost entirely by the now massively popular Guard/Custode teamup, which we'll get to). the blood angels pure lists were also quite refreshingly varied, without a whole lot of spamminess and without being totally copy/pastes of each other. Seems like people are experimenting and interested in the blood angels, in contrast to the DA and GK who both had nearly identical showings.
Thousand Sons: 8 Pure, 12 Ally. Thousand sons were popular, and interestingly the FAQ change to move after deep strike totaly changed the ball game for them. Smite Spam is the name of the game here, with Ahriman and Daemon princes appearing in nearly every list, and Magnus in many.Rubrics, interestingly, make a non-trivial showing, outnumbering the number of units of basic Tzaangors. The times they are a-changing for the Sons, it seems.
Admech: 7 pure, 11 ally. Deceptive number alert: Many of the ally lists were 1300-1450 points of admech paired with a single knight, which was enough to make it a double-ally soup list by my rubric, rather than a Pure list. this is why im ranking admech over Thousand Sons here: People like Admech, and we're now seeing a LOT of stygies compared to Mars. This opens up nearly every unit in the codex, besides Balistari and the battle servitors. Everything else makes solid appearances, encouraging for htis previously troubled faction. The FAQ really seems to have helped.
Necrons: 10 pure. Upper mid tier showing for the necrons, despite their brand new codex it seems like lack of ally options is making it tough for the metal boiz. lists seem to be either super-heavy focused, or destroyer-focused.
Chaos Space Marines: 7 pure, 18 ally. Hoo boy lots of small allied CSM contingents. It seems like people are quickly popping in to CSm to get the small detachments of stuff like oblits, alpha zerkers, abbadon, etc to tack on to their mostly daemon soup lists.
Chaos Daemons: 7 pure, 21 ally. Can you tell that lots of chaos lists are soupy yet? Nurgle is the MASSIVE MASSIVE majority of all these lists, with zero slaanesh outside a couple DPs, almost no khorne outside a couple letterbombs, and little tzeentch. Interestingly, only two players paired thousand sons and tzeentch daemons. Lots of 50/50 nurgle daemon/DG splits, unsurprisingly.
Tyranids: 17 pure, 2 ally. very few nid players opted to use their ability to ally in GSC and through them the ever-popular Guard, almost every list either had tiny GSC detachments or no allies. Lots of shooting lists, but it's about a 50-50 split between shooting focused and melee focused - that's just notable for the usually melee focused nids.
Space Marines: 18 pure, 6 ally. Big jump. Interestingly, almost all the pure lists are PURE lists, no allies at all. Very few people are pairing marines with guard battalions for bodies/screening. Ultramarines take the lion's share as usual, with a couple ally showings being just Robert Gillman, but we also see Imp Fists, Salamanders, and Raven Guard appearing. Also worth noting that several other Ultra characters seem to be pushing people towards the boys in blue, such as Sgt Chronus, Tiggy and Telion. For those keeping score: more pure marine lists in attendance than pure Craftworld lists, Custode lists, Drukhari lists, or nid lists.
Craftworld Eldar: 11 pure, 12 Ally. Ranking them higher than marines because they had sizable showings in a lot of the ally lists, being that many of them were "effectively" pure lists, because they contianed one Ynnari model making a huge chunk of the list "count as" ynnari. Almost all Alaitoc, unsurprisingly, with the same units you're used to seeing. Despite the nerfs, it seems eldar are forging on with the same strategy, despite dropping in popularity to around the bottom of the top tier.
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Drukhari: 17 pure, 8 ally. A challenger approaches! Ranking them higher than CWE here because of the 17 pure DE lists, all but 1 was completely pure drukhari. It's the faction that makes its own soup baby! Lots of Black Heart, Prophets of Flesh, and Red Grief here, with a huge spread of units from the codex.
Tau: 19 pure. I will almost always rank a faction with more different units/strategies higher than a faction with similar numbers but much more cookie cutter strategies, which is why Tau here are above Marines and CWE. Lots of tau players but more importnatly lots of units and lots of subfactions being tried.
Adeptus Custards: 9 pure, 19 ally. "Oh, scotty, what are you doing, ranking the golden bananas so high with only 9 pure detachments?" Look, strawman complaining guy, if there's a meta for right now, here it is. Guard and Custodes. Astrastodians. Custotarium. Or as I like to call them, Custard. I know I just got finished talking about Variety in Strategy, but when you see 20-odd copies of VERY similar lists, you can safely call that a "meta to beat". And that meta is custode bikers or biker captains+Astra miliarum screening infantry. Interestingly, it's usually not Astra Miliatarum heavy guns doing the killing - custodes typically make up the lions share and gunsier Astra lists tend to be pure AM or taking cheaper allies. Pure custode lists tend to be a bit more "take more things in the custode codex" but when they're allies, it's 1000 points-ish of big fat bananabikes.
Astra Militarum: 23 pure, 38 ally. Oh look, the current tournament meta mirrors the 40k universe fluff in that HOLY CRAP LOOK AT HOW MANY SOLDIERS THE IMPERIUM HAS. Not only are they seeing a bunch of pure armies, and I mean PURE pure armies with no allies, the variety is staggering. EVERY subfaction appears in these lists, the only codex with subfactions in it to even come close besides the Dark Eldar and Tau. Tons of different units make appearances, and I'm guessing you can figure out which ones. Those ally numbers, however, are greatly overstated - after seeing the initial numbers, I went through and checked over the average point value of an astra militarum ally detachment when they aren't a Pure list...it's under 400 points - even counting lists that are like 1400 points of guard+allies. A couple company commander+3 infantry squads is incredibly common as a screening force.
Now, a bit of overall analysis questions:
1) are we seeing a Gunline Meta?
I'm going to say "no" here. No because if you prep your list only to prey on gunlines, you're likely to have a bad time - many lists have significant or primarily melee focused units. We are DEFINITELY seeing a lot of shooting lists - but many of them are mid/short range, mixed shooting/assault, and superheavy-focused as well as what you'd think of as a real "gunline" sitting in the deployment zone and shooting downrange and relying on killing you before you get to them.
2) is alpha strike dead with the FAQ?
It's definitely diminished, but Fast Assault is definitely a thing people are doing, especially Drukhari, Ynnari, Blood Angels and Custodes. We have seen a huge resurgence from factions that were nearly dead or diminished in the previous meta havng been preyed on by heavy alpha strike (see: Admech, Knights, Astra militarum)
3) Can you run non-fast assault units? Is assault in general dead?
is your name "Nurgle Daemons", "Adeptus Custodes", "Haemonculus Covens" or "nids"? If so, it seems, do it to it. it is worth noting that of the major factions sitting in index, 4 of 6 (orks, SW, GSC, Harlequins) are heavily assault focused, so as we drop those assault factions back into the meta, we'll probably see more assault. Slow Assault Marines is definitely not a thing, and you rarely see slow assault units popped into other lists without stratagems that make them fast (Stygies raven guard etc)
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
I too, am pleasantly surprised by the extremely high variety in lists. It does help that it is a very big event and the FAQ changes a lot of things, but it is nice to see people trying different things, rather than getting stuck in a single mindset.
The amount of bike Custodes lists is, a little depressing on one hand, but, on the other, I’d be happy to face them and smite spam them to death.
As you have seen a lot more of the lists in detail than I have (only skimmed a couple of the main factions so far) what lists have you got your eye on?
After seeing a lot of the T’au lists, and my own thoughts on building a T’au list, I can see them doing very well – however, Custodes bike spam lists will also give them a rough time, if the T’au just castle up.
As I’m playing Thousand Sons at the event, I get to look at things evenly without having to worry too much about invuln saves – meaning I’m generally not that worried about most of the Drukari – as they tend to generally contain 3 Ravagers, then lots of troops in transports and flyers. Biggest issue for me, will be the hard core, horde style lists of cultist spam and the lists rocking 4 Ionheads (inc. Longstrike).
Amishprn86 wrote: There was a list with 1k harlequins, you no counting that?
I looked through a version with 280 lists yesterday, the current document appears to have 340, so I definitely missed a chunk but I am also definitely NOT diving in to try and find the ones that got added.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Well, it's only half two in the afternoon but the internet is going to have to work hard to beat that for me today.
A really good analysis which is much appreciate.
I do think there are fewer "cookie cutter" lists, although Custard Soup is clearly one of them. As someone who has some custard soup in a box ready to play, I can understand why... not only is it powerful but it's enjoyable as well. You get the pros of "herohammer"... having a small number of units that smash face and you love... without the downsides. Having a proper army backed up by the most mobile and lethal units you can get is really, really enjoyable.
But yeah - although it can be argued that within most codexes there is a strong subfaction winner... I think there's a really good diversity of armies going to this tournament.
TO of Death Before Dishonour - A Warhammer 40k Tournament with a focus on great battles between well painted, thematic armies on tables with full terrain.
I too, am pleasantly surprised by the extremely high variety in lists. It does help that it is a very big event and the FAQ changes a lot of things, but it is nice to see people trying different things, rather than getting stuck in a single mindset.
The amount of bike Custodes lists is, a little depressing on one hand, but, on the other, I’d be happy to face them and smite spam them to death.
As you have seen a lot more of the lists in detail than I have (only skimmed a couple of the main factions so far) what lists have you got your eye on?
After seeing a lot of the T’au lists, and my own thoughts on building a T’au list, I can see them doing very well – however, Custodes bike spam lists will also give them a rough time, if the T’au just castle up.
As I’m playing Thousand Sons at the event, I get to look at things evenly without having to worry too much about invuln saves – meaning I’m generally not that worried about most of the Drukari – as they tend to generally contain 3 Ravagers, then lots of troops in transports and flyers. Biggest issue for me, will be the hard core, horde style lists of cultist spam and the lists rocking 4 Ionheads (inc. Longstrike).
Yeah, I mean, on one hand All Hail Our New Guard Overlords, but on the other... though they were far and away the most popular faction, Guard appeared in 21% of lists (document version I looked at, at least).
Compare that to..heck, any meta in 7th, Guard would be called "upper mid tier" with 21%.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Amishprn86 wrote: There was a list with 1k harlequins, you no counting that?
I looked through a version with 280 lists yesterday, the current document appears to have 340, so I definitely missed a chunk but I am also definitely NOT diving in to try and find the ones that got added.
Use the "See new changes" button at the top of the page and it filters out all the stuff that got changed. If it is highlighted blue it'll prob show you everything, but, if not it won't.
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Amishprn86 wrote: There was a list with 1k harlequins, you no counting that?
I looked through a version with 280 lists yesterday, the current document appears to have 340, so I definitely missed a chunk but I am also definitely NOT diving in to try and find the ones that got added.
Use the "See new changes" button at the top of the page and it filters out all the stuff that got changed. If it is highlighted blue it'll prob show you everything, but, if not it won't.
It's mostly "I don't feel like spending another half hour scrolling, because I doubt it would change the overall trends much".
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
I'll prob take a more in-depth look myself this weekend, due to it being a bank holiday.
I'm starting to half regret spending 326 points on 2 contemptors, but, on the other hand i'm not expecting to see anyone else using the Osrion Dreadnought or Thousand Son Contemptor models - which i love!
Thousand Sons: 8 Pure, 12 Ally. Thousand sons were popular, and interestingly the FAQ change to move after deep strike totaly changed the ball game for them. Smite Spam is the name of the game here, with Ahriman and Daemon princes appearing in nearly every list, and Magnus in many.Rubrics, interestingly, make a non-trivial showing, outnumbering the number of units of basic Tzaangors. The times they are a-changing for the Sons, it seems.
Mostly Daemon Prince spam, I think. A few seem to attempt abusing DP datasheets between CSM, TS, and DG. There are 4 or 5 that take supreme command with Magus, Ahriman, and 2 DPs.
A few lists are quite similar to mine so I can't wait to see how they do.
I'll prob take a more in-depth look myself this weekend, due to it being a bank holiday.
I'm starting to half regret spending 326 points on 2 contemptors, but, on the other hand i'm not expecting to see anyone else using the Osrion Dreadnought or Thousand Son Contemptor models - which i love!
You the list with the Butcher/C-Beam contemptors?
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Thousand Sons: 8 Pure, 12 Ally. Thousand sons were popular, and interestingly the FAQ change to move after deep strike totaly changed the ball game for them. Smite Spam is the name of the game here, with Ahriman and Daemon princes appearing in nearly every list, and Magnus in many.Rubrics, interestingly, make a non-trivial showing, outnumbering the number of units of basic Tzaangors. The times they are a-changing for the Sons, it seems.
Mostly Daemon Prince spam, I think. A few seem to attempt abusing DP datasheets between CSM, TS, and DG. There are 4 or 5 that take supreme command with Magus, Ahriman, and 2 DPs.
A few lists are quite similar to mine so I can't wait to see how they do.
I'll prob take a more in-depth look myself this weekend, due to it being a bank holiday.
I'm starting to half regret spending 326 points on 2 contemptors, but, on the other hand i'm not expecting to see anyone else using the Osrion Dreadnought or Thousand Son Contemptor models - which i love!
You the list with the Butcher/C-Beam contemptors?
There is only 1 list that is trying the whole 9 daemon prince thing out, but a couple have more than 3.
Yeah, lots of Supreme commands running that. It's just under 1000 points, but, it'd going to do some work.
Yeah that's my list. Seemed like a good idea initially in my head and on paper, but, now i'm starting to think it might not be enough damage wise.
Yeah that's my list. Seemed like a good idea initially in my head and on paper, but, now i'm starting to think it might not be enough damage wise.
I use the same models. Love 'em.
I think you're pretty good. You have Magnus and two DPs in there, too, which is a ton of punching power not to mention smites.
Initially I thought you should put the C-Beams on one and Butchers on the other. That way at least one of them can move if you need it to, but I think I like your setup more since both can move occasionally and limit the number of C-Beams getting turned off.
Just make sure you use Cabal when you Death Hex and lay into stuff with the C-Beams.
The biggest issue I faced using Magnus is people with lots of DPs that hid in big units. I picked them off with spells slowly, but I didn't use Magnus to his full potential, because getting him charged was a no-win proposition (and he denied everything Magnus cast that game...).
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Yeah that's my list. Seemed like a good idea initially in my head and on paper, but, now i'm starting to think it might not be enough damage wise.
I use the same models. Love 'em.
I think you're pretty good. You have Magnus and two DPs in there, too, which is a ton of punching power not to mention smites.
Initially I thought you should put the C-Beams on one and Butchers on the other. That way at least one of them can move if you need it to, but I think I like your setup more since both can move occasionally and limit the number of C-Beams getting turned off.
Just make sure you use Cabal when you Death Hex and lay into stuff with the C-Beams.
The biggest issue I faced using Magnus is people with lots of DPs that hid in big units. I picked them off with spells slowly, but I didn't use Magnus to his full potential, because getting him charged was a no-win proposition (and he denied everything Magnus cast that game...).
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Also gives me an excuse to finally paint my Osrion
Yeah the thoughts with splitting them are around focused fire. If i had them as "pure" then the c-beam one could never move if it wanted to fire but didn't have LoS/was threatened by a charge. Having the butcher cannon lets it still have some firepower if it needs to move.
The reason is, if one gets focused down, i still have the 2nd. The butcher cannon can still have an impact on morale, and a 2 c-beam contemptor in the open is going to get focused eventually. Kinda a - "what do you go for?" kinda setup in turn 2, if turn 1 is spent just killing Magnus.
Yeah I guess a lot of people saww my games on Glasshammer and thought the Custodes bikers are a good contender as there are a lot of copy+paste of the list haha. It is a solid build and didn't get hit by the faq so will be good to see how they fare.
I'm gutted there is soo much tau as I was hoping to take them as a underated faction but that went out the pan. Still only a few of them are like my lists (gonyo went for a similar build) so will be interesting to see.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Those Guard lists are fun to read.
Its a look into people who read something online but don't understand what they read or how to implement it.
Basilisks are good, so lets bring 9 and nothing else worth a damn.
Leman Russ's are good to lets spam a bunch without any screens.
These are the lists that will never win the event but they hang around in the low-mid tier tables just making life miserable for people trying to have a good time.
15k+
Emperor's Spears 2500
Beastmen 10k
