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 Daedalus81 wrote:

Thousand Sons: 8 Pure, 12 Ally. Thousand sons were popular, and interestingly the FAQ change to move after deep strike totaly changed the ball game for them. Smite Spam is the name of the game here, with Ahriman and Daemon princes appearing in nearly every list, and Magnus in many.Rubrics, interestingly, make a non-trivial showing, outnumbering the number of units of basic Tzaangors. The times they are a-changing for the Sons, it seems.

Mostly Daemon Prince spam, I think. A few seem to attempt abusing DP datasheets between CSM, TS, and DG. There are 4 or 5 that take supreme command with Magus, Ahriman, and 2 DPs.

A few lists are quite similar to mine so I can't wait to see how they do.

I was expecting these lists to pop up the moment I read the FAQ (not taking any credit for that, I'm sure every other former and current Chaos player was thinking the same thing). If they end up doing well you can bet that Daemon Princes will get hit with the keyword limit like Commanders.

Yeah...those LR lists in particular look just terribad. Enjoy your shooting phase, because you get one. Maybe.

The first one (i'm going to call it the basi-list in my head) looks quite a bit spookier, to be sure, but mostly for vehicle centric armies. Against some of those nurgle daemon hordes I'd really question whether there's enough firepower in the basic guard bodies to make a dent in a swarm of nurgle daemons running up under cover of gnarlmaws.

 Eonfuzz wrote:
Thanks for the link, it's very interesting to see what people are running.

I'm surprised at the amount of Thousand Sons detachments - there's 60+ of them in there!

All Ork lists are spamming boyz, same stuff there.
Some variety in the Necron lists, destroys seem to be the bees knees.
Annnd only one Eisenhorn showing up with his three single acolytes.

im not surprised about so many TS detachments in particular supreme command, ahriman6+2/3 TS Dp's are really strong.

1) are we seeing a Gunline Meta?

I'm going to say "no" here. No because if you prep your list only to prey on gunlines, you're likely to have a bad time - many lists have significant or primarily melee focused units. We are DEFINITELY seeing a lot of shooting lists - but many of them are mid/short range, mixed shooting/assault, and superheavy-focused as well as what you'd think of as a real "gunline" sitting in the deployment zone and shooting downrange and relying on killing you before you get to them.

take into consideration terrain, there will be lot of BLos terrain (see GT infopack), if you see there a good amount of Primarchs too that makes me believe tables will be good covered, so if you play a static pure gunline you are in trouble, last but not least each mission will have maelstrom so no pure static gunline can easily win in maelstrom

I made a parser to read in the file and start collecting some more granular data.

Here are all the detachment counts by army. Some people had bad spelling so a few have separate listings.

Not to complain but I think your spreadsheet is mixing grey knights with Imperial knights. I can't imagine anyone building a aux detachment of GK and there are no superheavy GKs that I know of.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I made a parser to read in the file and start collecting some more granular data.

Here are all the detachment counts by army. Some people had bad spelling so a few have separate listings.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oE2SERe2xjCC5w432kB9Y8qkdO5q3OazQPj6I6iPZ5A/edit?usp=sharing

Am I correct in that, there are no representations of WE in the entire event? Bummer. I like seeing what people bring to big events and compare to what I'm doing.

 chimeara wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I made a parser to read in the file and start collecting some more granular data.

Here are all the detachment counts by army. Some people had bad spelling so a few have separate listings.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oE2SERe2xjCC5w432kB9Y8qkdO5q3OazQPj6I6iPZ5A/edit?usp=sharing

Am I correct in that, there are no representations of WE in the entire event? Bummer. I like seeing what people bring to big events and compare to what I'm doing.

Any Berserker will be Alpha Legion to ensure a T1 charge.
Hitting hard as WE does nothing when you don't get into combat.

Yeah, the one list that -might- have been World Eaters (has been ran as it in the past), but, it is being run as Alpha Legion simply for the cultist bomb.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Not to complain but I think your spreadsheet is mixing grey knights with Imperial knights. I can't imagine anyone building a aux detachment of GK and there are no superheavy GKs that I know of.

No worries. I'm checking why it did that. It scans the line for "Detachment" and preg matches to a faction list...so mabye the columns are out of order.

Hang on.


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Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Not to complain but I think your spreadsheet is mixing grey knights with Imperial knights. I can't imagine anyone building a aux detachment of GK and there are no superheavy GKs that I know of.

Ok check it now.


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I also added a tab with the average points per detachment. I'll add min/max later on.

 Ordana wrote:

 chimeara wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I made a parser to read in the file and start collecting some more granular data.

Here are all the detachment counts by army. Some people had bad spelling so a few have separate listings.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oE2SERe2xjCC5w432kB9Y8qkdO5q3OazQPj6I6iPZ5A/edit?usp=sharing

Am I correct in that, there are no representations of WE in the entire event? Bummer. I like seeing what people bring to big events and compare to what I'm doing.

Any Berserker will be Alpha Legion to ensure a T1 charge.
Hitting hard as WE does nothing when you don't get into combat.

2 alpha legion rhinos beyond 12"+smoke a nice -2 to hit at least if you start 2nd you dont see your infiltrated berzy being obliterated

Rhinos won't get a -2 to hit

 blackmage wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

 chimeara wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I made a parser to read in the file and start collecting some more granular data.

Here are all the detachment counts by army. Some people had bad spelling so a few have separate listings.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oE2SERe2xjCC5w432kB9Y8qkdO5q3OazQPj6I6iPZ5A/edit?usp=sharing

Am I correct in that, there are no representations of WE in the entire event? Bummer. I like seeing what people bring to big events and compare to what I'm doing.

Any Berserker will be Alpha Legion to ensure a T1 charge.
Hitting hard as WE does nothing when you don't get into combat.

2 alpha legion rhinos beyond 12"+smoke a nice -2 to hit at least if you start 2nd you dont see your infiltrated berzy being obliterated

Rhino's don't get Legion traits/Chapter Tactics.

couple interesting ork lists, very different from what usually see in tourneys

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah...those LR lists in particular look just terribad. Enjoy your shooting phase, because you get one. Maybe.

The first one (i'm going to call it the basi-list in my head) looks quite a bit spookier, to be sure, but mostly for vehicle centric armies. Against some of those nurgle daemon hordes I'd really question whether there's enough firepower in the basic guard bodies to make a dent in a swarm of nurgle daemons running up under cover of gnarlmaws.

There's always a number of players who just want to take an all-tank Guard list if they can pull it off. Regardless of whether or not that's good.

Not everyone at the London GT is a competitive player looking to make the cut. I was looking through the Tau lists earlier, and there's some quite casual lists included as well.

 Imateria wrote:

 blackmage wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

 chimeara wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I made a parser to read in the file and start collecting some more granular data.

Here are all the detachment counts by army. Some people had bad spelling so a few have separate listings.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oE2SERe2xjCC5w432kB9Y8qkdO5q3OazQPj6I6iPZ5A/edit?usp=sharing

Am I correct in that, there are no representations of WE in the entire event? Bummer. I like seeing what people bring to big events and compare to what I'm doing.

Any Berserker will be Alpha Legion to ensure a T1 charge.
Hitting hard as WE does nothing when you don't get into combat.

2 alpha legion rhinos beyond 12"+smoke a nice -2 to hit at least if you start 2nd you dont see your infiltrated berzy being obliterated

Rhino's don't get Legion traits/Chapter Tactics.

yes forgot that

Fixed some issues with dirty data on points. About 95% coverage of the lists. Min and max are on there, too.

I might try to tackle units, but the data is haphazard for those pieces.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oE2SERe2xjCC5w432kB9Y8qkdO5q3OazQPj6I6iPZ5A/edit#gid=470028816

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Fixed some issues with dirty data on points. About 95% coverage of the lists. Min and max are on there, too.

I might try to tackle units, but the data is haphazard for those pieces.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oE2SERe2xjCC5w432kB9Y8qkdO5q3OazQPj6I6iPZ5A/edit#gid=470028816

You're doing great work. I sincerely hope you continue to refine your data, as it has the potential to be incredibly valuable for meta-analysis.

Your listing of a SupCom Detachment as "Aeldari" should be "Asuryani", as Aeldari is no longer a valid detachment-level faction keyword. There is one (1) Ulthwe SupCom, one (1) Alaitoc SupCom, and one (1) Asuryani.

Cheers

Two beers for Gave Thorpe approved list's owner with an Asurmen/Jain Zar Battalion.

DCannon4Life wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Fixed some issues with dirty data on points. About 95% coverage of the lists. Min and max are on there, too.

I might try to tackle units, but the data is haphazard for those pieces.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oE2SERe2xjCC5w432kB9Y8qkdO5q3OazQPj6I6iPZ5A/edit#gid=470028816

You're doing great work. I sincerely hope you continue to refine your data, as it has the potential to be incredibly valuable for meta-analysis.

Your listing of a SupCom Detachment as "Aeldari" should be "Asuryani", as Aeldari is no longer a valid detachment-level faction keyword. There is one (1) Ulthwe SupCom, one (1) Alaitoc SupCom, and one (1) Asuryani.

Cheers

Thanks!

I'll go fix that one.

It might be possible for units since in a bare text file they don't wrap and there is one per line item. The only other problem is some people put things like 5x Strike Squad. Others put 5 Terminators, which makes it hard to find the quantity of models in the line. I think I can do it with 90% coverage with some keyword filtering.

One thing that annoys me (but doesn't surprise me) is people's inability to a) write correct lists, and b) follow simple instructions or formats.

Still, i guess it is the main reason why we go through checking processes like this.

I have completed most of the work on isolating the units through regex, tallying their counts, and averaging their points.

I now have a database of over 500 keywords that it searches through. It goes for the most wordy match first so someone taking "Warriors" for Necrons won't match to "Fire Warriors". Some keywrods like "PLAYER" and "COMMAND" had to get tossed from too many irrelevant matches.

You will notice many typos - those are from the players. The best typoS - "FABULOUS BILL" AND "SHINNING SPEARS"...though I think the former was intentional.

Based on count the top 5 most used units are:

INFANTRY SQUAD 197
SCOUT 127
COMPANY COMMANDER 121
HEAVY WEAPON SQUAD|TEAM 121
KABALITE 93

Not that IS are actually much higher, because a lot of people list them under "INFANTRY", "GUARDSMAN", "GUARDSMEN", etc.

You can come peruse the full data set over on Warhammer Analytica:
http://insighthammer.com/index.php?/topic/4-london-gt/

Check out London GT 40k's facebook page for daily updates on this years LGT Invitational which should prove to be a much bigger event than the main one with some of the biggest names in 40k competing for the title.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I have completed most of the work on isolating the units through regex, tallying their counts, and averaging their points.

I now have a database of over 500 keywords that it searches through. It goes for the most wordy match first so someone taking "Warriors" for Necrons won't match to "Fire Warriors". Some keywrods like "PLAYER" and "COMMAND" had to get tossed from too many irrelevant matches.

You will notice many typos - those are from the players. The best typoS - "FABULOUS BILL" AND "SHINNING SPEARS"...though I think the former was intentional.

Based on count the top 5 most used units are:

INFANTRY SQUAD 197
SCOUT 127
COMPANY COMMANDER 121
HEAVY WEAPON SQUAD|TEAM 121
KABALITE 93

Not that IS are actually much higher, because a lot of people list them under "INFANTRY", "GUARDSMAN", "GUARDSMEN", etc.

You can come peruse the full data set over on Warhammer Analytica:
http://insighthammer.com/index.php?/topic/4-london-gt/

The real question i now have is: If you allowed one entrant to use all 121 of those company commanders, equipped WYSIWYG, in place of a normal 2000pt list, would he win the tournament?


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Just one note - I'm looking for and not finding any Prophets of Flesh detachments in the detachment page of the documents, and I remember seeing many Haemonculus Coven units taken.


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You are also listing only one detachment for DA because your search term appears to be "Dark Angel" instead of "Dark Angels".

..for context, out of curiosity I'm trying to see how many detachments total people took from each major faction.

the_scotsman wrote:

The real question i now have is: If you allowed one entrant to use all 121 of those company commanders, equipped WYSIWYG, in place of a normal 2000pt list, would he win the tournament?

My guess would be no.

They don't have Objective Secured, and 121 laspistols on average doesn't even kill one Tactical Squad.

Sure, most armies would be hard pressed to kill 121 models, but you just plop some power armour on each objective and you're all good!

Stux wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

The real question i now have is: If you allowed one entrant to use all 121 of those company commanders, equipped WYSIWYG, in place of a normal 2000pt list, would he win the tournament?

My guess would be no.

They don't have Objective Secured, and 121 laspistols on average doesn't even kill one Tactical Squad.

Sure, most armies would be hard pressed to kill 121 models, but you just plop some power armour on each objective and you're all good!

Some might have plasma pistols tho

Interesting read and snapshot of the evolving meta.

Unsurprisingly we see a lot more Dark Eldar, Necrons and Tau lists than we have previously.

Aeldari are out in force as always. As are Chaos and Imperium lists.

There's a ton of Tyranid lists that I didn't expect and also a load of Ad Mech.

Overall there seems to be more variety of lists and factions which is great.

Specific to my favourite faction, of the 5 Ork lists I counted 1 is FLG's Jason taking Reece's Dreadmob and its illegal. I suspect it'll get stomped too as I don't think he has much experience with Orks. One by a guy called 'Power' had all of his characters named which was awesome and he's taken an Ork gunline. Be interesting to see how that pans out. Looks like he relies on Kommandos and jumping weirdboyz around for objectives. The other lists are pretty standard, some more competitive than others but interestingly all see the value of Kommandos as late game objective grabbers, despite the FAQ. A small showing as expected of an index army.

It's saying I need permission to view the lists? Is this working as normal or did I miss the boat?

Breazeal wrote:
It's saying I need permission to view the lists? Is this working as normal or did I miss the boat?

The initial link from the GT is down, yes. Though I do have a copy of the data that i'll republish later though it won't be the final version.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Breazeal wrote:
It's saying I need permission to view the lists? Is this working as normal or did I miss the boat?

The initial link from the GT is down, yes. Though I do have a copy of the data that i'll republish later though it won't be the final version.

Daedalus, that would be greatly appreciated.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Breazeal wrote:
It's saying I need permission to view the lists? Is this working as normal or did I miss the boat?

The initial link from the GT is down, yes. Though I do have a copy of the data that i'll republish later though it won't be the final version.

Please do!

Also, out of interest - do the ‘Black Templar’ or ‘Black Templars’ keywords net any results?