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It would be cool to see the bridge of a Predator light freighter with a Predator hamster in it.

 StygianBeach wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 StygianBeach wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
The Predator is a character that best serves itself by being seen as little as possible. Over the top action sequences and mountains of blood and violence might make a passable action movie but is a waste of the character imo.

Plus this whole "self evolution" bent the franchise has gotten into is really really dumb. It just doesn't work imo.

Yeah, super predators that are bigger than the other normal predators is lame, as are the predator dogs in the context of visiting earth.

Meh, this could all just be us seeing snippets of the battles between regular Yautja and Bad Bloods. The Bad Bloods may be an exiled clan because of their genetic modification and hunting of the regular Yautja. Predators (Pred 3) had Nolan explain they were like the difference between dogs and wolves but hes an unreliable narrator in that respect. It's just the explanation he came up with based on his limited observations.

This movie might be expanding on that. With either Bad bloods coming to earth and Enforcer/s coming to kill them or Bad Bloods hunting the hunters while they are just doing their normal thing on earth. If they are bad bloods there is no line they wouldn't cross including dumping pred dogs on earth or whatever.

That does sound better... was that in the old Dark Horse comics?

I only read a few of them almost 20 years ago.

There was a comic called badblood that was about an exile who hunted other predators and an enforcer who was in turn hunting the bad blood. It didnt have any genetic modification stuff. But whatever. Once they are exiles who really gives a gak as long as it makes them good bad guys.

All publicity is good publicity, right?

I think this was the newest reshoot,, after the first round of reshoots I mentioned previously.

As we’ve reported, Shane Black’s The Predator underwent final hour reshoots earlier this year, but as it turns out, Black tinkering with the film’s final act was only the tip of the iceberg in regards to its behind the scenes, post production issues. A report from Los Angeles Times today sheds light on a whole new issue, and it sounds like Black has some explaining to do.

According to the site, Black cast his friend Steven Wilder Striegel (47) in a brief role, “a three-page scene shared with actress Olivia Munn.” It was only after filming wrapped that Munn learned Striegel is a convicted sex offender, having plead guilty back in 2010 “after facing allegations that he attempted to lure a 14-year-old female into a sexual relationship via the internet.” In fact, it sounds like nobody was aware of Striegel’s past at the time, save for Black himself.

Last month, Munn approached 20th Century Fox with what she had learned, and to their credit, the studio swiftly edited Striegel out of the film.

As a spokesperson explained to LA Times, “Our studio was not aware of Mr. Striegel’s background when he was hired. We were not aware of his background during the casting process due to legal limitations that impede studios from running background checks on actors.”

Black and Striegel are longtime friends, and Black has also cast him in both Iron Man 3 and The Nice Guys. According to Black, he’s just been trying to “help a friend.”

“I personally chose to help a friend,” Black said in a written statement to LA Times. “I can understand others might disapprove, as his conviction was on a sensitive charge and not to be taken lightly. [Striegel was] caught up in a bad situation versus something lecherous.”

As for Munn, she notes that she found it “both surprising and unsettling that Shane Black, our director, did not share this information to the cast, crew, or Fox Studios prior to, during, or after production.” She added in her statement to LA Times, “I am relieved that when Fox finally did receive the information, the studio took appropriate action by deleting the scene featuring Wilder prior to release of the film.”

Good on you, Fox.

Reshoots are whatever. Not only do they happen all the time regardless, sometimes massive reshoots make a movie pretty good. Both Rogue 1 and Solo were massively reshot and both were at least solidly made movies. Solo even had the main villian recast for the reshoots because the original actor was unavailable for them.


That being said. Good on Fox. If you want to help a friend then don't hide it. Man up to it and make it public while you get back on the straight and narrow.

He served his time in jail eight years ago. Is he never allowed to have a job again?

Den Of Geek just gave it One Star.

And they genuinely never do that.

You're probably still better off deciding for yourself though.

Possibly.

But likely a Netflix job.

Not sure how Hollywood can consistently F up such a cool concept.
Basically lizard samari in space. I mean come on. Whats not to get?

 Ratius wrote:
Not sure how Hollywood can consistently F up such a cool concept.
Basically lizard samari in space. I mean come on. Whats not to get?

Some ideas don't really work as sequels.

The Manchester Guardian gives it 3/5 stars.

their film critic wrote:A refreshingly unrestrained return to the sci-fi franchise balances snappy humour and relentless action with fun if somewhat forgettable results

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The action is also relatively nonstop yet despite this, or maybe because of this, the film lacks a genuine jaw-dropper of a set piece.

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There’s definite fun to be had here and franchise fans will surely appreciate both Black’s nods to the past and his plan for the future but there’s something forgettable about its freneticism, and I struggle to imagine in 31 years if it will be thought of at all.

 AduroT wrote:
He served his time in jail eight years ago. Is he never allowed to have a job again?

That's not the argument that Olivia Munn made. The argument was that she wasn't allowed to make an informed choice; that Shane Black put her in the scene with a man she knew was a sex offender without letting her know. Maybe she was worried for her personal safety, maybe she was worried for her brand, whatever. I don't think either party is really a bad guy here, it's kind of a gakky situation that poor communication created.

The latest development is that now the rest of the crew has shunned her and left her to do publicity on her own, which is pretty ridiculous too. Once that development broke some of the cast members started walking that back.

Well, just saw it.

It was a very, very uneven movie. There were definitely parts that were terrific - the Predators were brutal and they didn't shy away from extreme violence like so many movies now try to do; this is an R rated franchise that knows it.

None of the acting was great, but neither was any of it terrible. OIivia Munn had a lot more to do than I thought from the trailers. Boyd Holbrook is a good actor but to be honest I don't think he really can carry a movie in the way that a major movie star can. No one else was really noteworthy except Sterling K Brown, who had some charisma but no real menace.

There was no groan-inducing dialogue or bad writing, but the plot is a little lame.

If you're interested in it as a movie and aren't invested in it as a franchise; then I'd watch it on Netflix, you probably won't like it that much. If you are the person who has seen all of them in theaters, then it's probably worth a trip. It's not the best in the franchise but neither is it the worst.

Some spoilers.

Thanksfor the review.

Definitely an Itunes rental for myself.

In my opinion it's the second worst Predator movie after AvP: Requiem, and I had to put some serious thought into it to make that call.
I'm sure some people will at least find it mildly entertaining, but it was definitely a huge let down for me.

 Ouze wrote:
Well, just saw it.

It was a very, very uneven movie. There were definitely parts that were terrific - the Predators were brutal and they didn't shy away from extreme violence like so many movies now try to do; this is an R rated franchise that knows it.

None of the acting was great, but neither was any of it terrible. OIivia Munn had a lot more to do than I thought from the trailers. Boyd Holbrook is a good actor but to be honest I don't think he really can carry a movie in the way that a major movie star can. No one else was really noteworthy except Sterling K Brown, who had some charisma but no real menace.

Agreed on that first part. I definitely enjoyed the first half of the movie as the action was good and the humor was surprisingly great. Unfortunately, it took a serious nose in the last quarter of the movie and the reshoots are really evident both in the pacing, missed plot points referenced in the dialog, and the substandard CGI... and it culminates in a SyFy Saturday Sharknado style corny ending scene that sets up the sequel that probably won't ever be made. The only surprise twist for me was that Yvonne Strahovski actually plays a small part in the movie (the main character's wife and mother to their child); I don't recall seeing her in any of the preview trailers or publicity for the movie.

I saw it for $3.33 (one of my three allowed Moviepass slots for $9.99 a month) and I got my money's worth. If you're paying full price $10+ then I'd only recommend it if you're a fan of the franchise. For me personally, the first half of the movie was very well done and if it had continued like that then I'd be here posting that it was the best movie in the franchise since the original. Unfortunately, it ends at a quality level more reminiscent of AVP Requiem in the last 15 minutes with a steady slide in between.

 ErkyTimbers wrote:
In my opinion it's the second worst Predator movie after AvP: Requiem, and I had to put some serious thought into it to make that call.
I'm sure some people will at least find it mildly entertaining, but it was definitely a huge let down for me.

That's what happens when you get woke, you go broke, mainly because the end product is sub-sub-par. Thanks for the warning you saved me some cash.

Well I saw this today.

Here is my ranking of films with Predators in them.

1) Predator
2) Predators
3) AVP R
4) Predator 2
5) The Predator
6) AVP

I want to note that at minimum I expect the Predators to behave like Predators. Thats why AVP is always last. The Aliens don't act like aliens. The preds don't act like preds.

The Predator starts off decent enough. The dialogs a bit goofy. But serviceable in the first act.

By the second act it's getting a little off track but still good enough.

The 3rd act is where it all falls apart and gak gets real weird.

The final scene is also just the worst. Like... absolutely the worst.


There is also weird left wing global warming gak sprinkled in the movie along with a bunch of right wing military spank. It's super weird. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Shane Black was trying to make political statements. Not sure if that was his intent. Or if he just wanted to use topical issues in the dialog to beat us over the head with. I don't know. It just felt really out of place pretty much every time. I am not sure Shane Black should be writing and directing anything any more. This is exactly like Iron Man 3 but R rated. That is to say... it plays fast and loose with the canon and attempts to add to it but does so in ways that basically break the universe. Remember that time Tony Stark cured all injury and death with extremis? Well... expect something similar (that is to say, world breaking and dumb) that will also be ignored by future movies from this.



You know how everyone got super upset about their childhood and starwars? Alien and Predator movies are my childhood. If I got a "thing" these are my "thing". I spent half this movie laughing about how bad bits of it were. Im glad I got a 4k box set of pred 1-3. Im gunna go watch the good ones now as a palate cleanse.

I don't think I've ever seen AVPR ranked so highly in a personal fav list before.

 warboss wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen AVPR ranked so highly in a personal fav list before.

I like it a lot too. It's definitely one of the worst films for the character, but I enjoyed it more than AVP or Predators. I think it's because AVPR was closer to what I want a Predator film to be like, but you know... without being so bad in nearly every area XD

 warboss wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen AVPR ranked so highly in a personal fav list before.

The Wolf (the predator from AvP R) is my favorite Predator. it's the most brutal, bad ass predator we have seen to date. The only problems with AvP R is that the beginning of the movie ties it in to AvP and the human cast is weak. The aliens are great. The predator is great.

AvP on the other hand has the worst aliens, the dumbest predators, the worst special effects (it's the only movie where the predator face masks can't actually close their mouths. Their cheek flaps or whatever bend outwards like they are being blasted in the face by a fan). A crappy human cast and a plot that both doesn't make sense and just sucks.

I see people rank AvP over AvP R all the time. It confuses the feth out of me. I can't find ANYTHING redeeming about that movie.

 Lance845 wrote:

I see people rank AvP over AvP R all the time. It confuses the feth out of me. I can't find ANYTHING redeeming about that movie.

And I found AVPR to be by far the worst movie in the combined franchise yet you like it. The only redeeming thing about it was the addition of the predalien that I had liked in previous video games. Other than that, it's addition to the lore of pregnant women birthing litters of aliens and the supposed ultimate hunter species in the galaxy fully aware of the xenomorph being unable to handle a single alien on a clan ship filled with predators to be more laughable than anything in the original AVP. I fully agree with people who rank AVP over AVP R and I even consider it a guilty pleasure movie of mine similar to the original Starship Troopers. For example, AVP was the first movie to explore the predator society and culture in any depth beyond just calling them hunters and the single scene at the end of Pred 2 and I personally like what it added. I enjoyed the mix of practical and CG effects in the movie as well and think they did the best they could with the budget and rating they were shooting for despite vehemently disagreeing with the decision to make it PG-13. I'm not saying that to antagonize you but rather to simply show that different people have different preferences.

 warboss wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

I see people rank AvP over AvP R all the time. It confuses the feth out of me. I can't find ANYTHING redeeming about that movie.

And I found AVPR to be by far the worst movie in the combined franchise yet you like it. The only redeeming thing about it was the addition of the predalien that I had liked in previous video games. Other than that, it's addition to the lore of pregnant women birthing litters of aliens and the supposed ultimate hunter species in the galaxy fully aware of the xenomorph being unable to handle a single alien on a clan ship filled with predators to be more laughable than anything in the original AVP.

I see this a lot too. It wasn't pregnant women birthing liters. It's any person the Pred Alien/Premature Queen laid embryos directly into. The homeless people in the sewer also got the multiple embryo treatment. It's how the queen builds up a large swarm to build a hive quick enough so she can establish a egg chamber and sit in safety at the center of the hive. The advantage of the pregnant ladies in the hospital is they were all bed ridden and lined up AND healthy hosts. Not at all unlike the way aliens already set up people inside a hive.

The predators not being able to handle the pred alien on their ship was fine to me only because THOSE preds were the idiot incompetent preds from AvP. The ones who woke up from being unconscious without his mask and didn't immediately blow himself up knowing he had been impregnated. The idiots who didn't scan a dead pred that came back from hunting aliens to see if it was impregnated and then left the body untended on a slab in the back of the ship.

fething morons.

I fully agree with people who rank AVP over AVP R and I even consider it a guilty pleasure movie of mine similar to the original Starship Troopers. For example, AVP was the first movie to explore the predator society and culture in any depth beyond just calling them hunters and the single scene at the end of Pred 2 and I personally like what it added. I enjoyed the mix of practical and CG effects in the movie as well and think they did the best they could with the budget and rating they were shooting for despite vehemently disagreeing with the decision to make it PG-13. I'm not saying that to antagonize you but rather to simply show that different people have different preferences.

Hey man, i get that you have your own opinion. You're welcome to it.

I don't mind a mix of practical and CGI. I have a problem with an alien having a like... 20 ft long tail. Aliens gestating and coming out of bodies in about 20 minutes. Aliens willing to injure queens. Drones being problem solving smart like a queen when they should only be instinctual animal intelligent. Predator masks being unable to close their mouths. Inconsistent pred tech being immune to alien acid or not (immune: spears, knives, claws, shuikens // Not immune: Blade net, armor (this is a particularly confusing one since these are the most armored preds we have seen so far. If it's not acid proof then what the feth is it for?)), the aforementioned idiocy of the predators, a clan leader giving a human a piece of pred tech at the end of the movie...

sigh....

Again, Aliens and Preds is my thing. AvP is just baffling in it's badness. By all means you are welcome to enjoy it. It doesn't bother me any that you do. It's just a movie that gets every facet of the subject matter so wrong that I can't understand how it could be rated above any other movie that gets the subject matter right.

This movie was good. It was heavily re-written and benefited from that. It had actual funny moments, and the action was well done.

Go watch the film and judge for yourself. Its at least worth $10 and some of your time.

Yet again Hollywood manages to deliver a bland action Movie, I do not understand how they managed to mix in familiy drama and such in a Predator Movie! but at least people died horribly in the Movie.

Just saw the new one today. I liked it, but it could have been better. The action scenes were what we'd expect from a Predator movie, with plenty of humans getting eviscerated messily while trying in vain to shoot the big scary Predator. I didn't care for the environmentalist bs they threw in there, but fortunately they didn't spend time harping on that. Overall a solid 7/10 for me.

 Lance845 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen AVPR ranked so highly in a personal fav list before.

The Wolf (the predator from AvP R) is my favorite Predator. it's the most brutal, bad ass predator we have seen to date. The only problems with AvP R is that the beginning of the movie ties it in to AvP and the human cast is weak. The aliens are great. The predator is great.

I agree with all of your points. AVPR was pretty bad but it did have some excellent ingredients that weren't well combined, as well as some terrible ones - the predalien was pretty bad, how it reproduces was even worse, and the pregnant woman scene seems like it was just thrown in there for pure, 100% shock value.

The Predator was a piece of gak.

The best I can say for it was it had some funny moments that were out of place.

Every idea it had (well, there were only three) was just dumb. It was also a mess, in terms of structure.

It is not worth the price of admission. For fans of the overall franchise, wait for Netflix.

 Ouze wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen AVPR ranked so highly in a personal fav list before.

The Wolf (the predator from AvP R) is my favorite Predator. it's the most brutal, bad ass predator we have seen to date. The only problems with AvP R is that the beginning of the movie ties it in to AvP and the human cast is weak. The aliens are great. The predator is great.

I agree with all of your points. AVPR was pretty bad but it did have some excellent ingredients that weren't well combined, as well as some terrible ones - the predalien was pretty bad, how it reproduces was even worse, and the pregnant woman scene seems like it was just thrown in there for pure, 100% shock value.

For sure. I won't argue that AvP R is a GOOD movie in the way Predator, Alien, and Aliens are legit REALLY good movies. AvP R is just entertaining and serviceable and clearly better than AvP.

 Manchu wrote:
The Predator was a piece of gak.

The best I can say for it was it had some funny moments that were out of place.

Every idea it had (well, there were only three) was just dumb. It was also a mess, in terms of structure.

It is not worth the price of admission. For fans of the overall franchise, wait for Netflix.

I wouldn't say it's not worth the price of the admission. As a comedy it was pretty hilarious. It's just not a very good predator movie.