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The worst part is having to wait until late 2018 for this, but like every time a box set is released during the fall or winter, it ends of coming to me via Santa Claus.

If the set coincides with a new Inquisition Codex ala Necrons, I'd be stoked.

This looks bloody delicious!

SeanDrake wrote:
There are a lot of Blanche s scribbles in the rulebook but very little of the modern models owe anything to his "art" work.

The model lines most heavily influenced by his work as someone mentioned earlier were Necromumda, Mordheim and the daemon hunter/Witchhunter codexs. The common theme there is gak models that died on there arses and were dropped by GW he is pretty much the reason we have not had much of anything about inquisitors for a decade.

Necromunda? gak models? How can someone bring themselves to write such nonsense?!

SeanDrake wrote:
There are a lot of Blanche s scribbles in the rulebook but very little of the modern models owe anything to his "art" work.

The model lines most heavily influenced by his work as someone mentioned earlier were Necromumda, Mordheim and the daemon hunter/Witchhunter codexs. The common theme there is gak models that died on there arses and were dropped by GW he is pretty much the reason we have not had much of anything about inquisitors for a decade.

It's genuinely impressive that someone can be this wrong. I mean, for starters, the idea that Necromunda, Mordheim, and the Inquisition's models are "gak", didn't sell, and were dropped by GW for that reason is pretty special. But even more than that dumptruck of incorrectness is the idea that Blanche has nothing to do with the modern models, considering his concept work is behind huge swathes of the 40K, WHF, and AoS ranges. Tau? Blanche. Necrons? Blanche. A whole lot of Chaos? Blanche. Much of the Imperium? Blanche. Even now when he's doing less work for the company and less of their models are based directly on his concept sketches, the design language the company is using owes a huge debt to his work over the years.

You can not like his art, but just admit that it's your opinion rather than engaging in this kind of farcical revisionism.

 Manchu wrote:
Wouldn't that actually be Jes Goodwin?

(That said, I like both Goodwin and Blanche.)

I thought Blanche tended to make the basic concepts, the feel of the units if you like, and then Goodwin would come along and produce something practical out of those concepts that could actually be reasonably made in a 28mm model. The Rogue Trader human crew in this game look very very Jes Goodwin to me, they look like they could be pulled straight out of those old concept sketches you see floating around on the internet (like the Imperial Navy concepts like my profile pic, or the Imperial Guard concepts, or the Adeptus Terra concepts).

Neronoxx wrote:
Everyone saying its Slaugth are forgetting that there are nurglings, Rotflie swarms and bloat fly pupae(?) I think.
Seems pretty clearly nurgle.

Because of the painscheme and size it actually looks like nurglings model, except they are not actually.
Even the "design" of feets and hands is different. Cybernetic heads also strange for nurglings.

Flies and maggons are the weakest part, yes, they really look very nurglish, I agree.
But overall the army looks more biomechanical.

We'll know it pretty soon, though...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

zerosignal wrote:
Looks cool but...
Please can we have Adeptus Titanicus, Epic Space Marine and Battlefleet Gothic reboots first?

You act like these things are mutually exclusive.

We all know that plastic production, store space and release slots are limited so yeah, doing Rogue Trader means not doing something else.

Like I said it ticks off a whole lot of boxes for me but if someone doesn't want it I can see why they'd resent it.

 Yodhrin wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
There are a lot of Blanche s scribbles in the rulebook but very little of the modern models owe anything to his "art" work.

The model lines most heavily influenced by his work as someone mentioned earlier were Necromumda, Mordheim and the daemon hunter/Witchhunter codexs. The common theme there is gak models that died on there arses and were dropped by GW he is pretty much the reason we have not had much of anything about inquisitors for a decade.

It's genuinely impressive that someone can be this wrong. I mean, for starters, the idea that Necromunda, Mordheim, and the Inquisition's models are "gak", didn't sell, and were dropped by GW for that reason is pretty special. But even more than that dumptruck of incorrectness is the idea that Blanche has nothing to do with the modern models, considering his concept work is behind huge swathes of the 40K, WHF, and AoS ranges. Tau? Blanche. Necrons? Blanche. A whole lot of Chaos? Blanche. Much of the Imperium? Blanche. Even now when he's doing less work for the company and less of their models are based directly on his concept sketches, the design language the company is using owes a huge debt to his work over the years.

You can not like his art, but just admit that it's your opinion rather than engaging in this kind of farcical revisionism.

I don't think Tau where Blanche's work (I know theres some fire caste drawns from Blanche, but I don't know if theres something else), theres all this concept art of this other artists out there. I can't remember his name.
Of course you are right in everything else. Even Stormcast Eternals are based in Blanche's work, and the Kharadron Overlords, just speaking about some "Modern" ranges based in Blanche's concept art, or original ideas.

 Haighus wrote:
The Rogue Trader human crew in this game look very very Jes Goodwin to me, they look like they could be pulled straight out of those old concept sketches you see floating around on the internet (like the Imperial Navy concepts like my profile pic, or the Imperial Guard concepts, or the Adeptus Terra concepts).

The rogue trader crew reeks of Blanchitsu. Since Jes is the head of the minis studio, on some level everything will have a touch of Goodwin in it...even if it's just his checkmark for approval. Also, Jes was hand picked by Blanche to join Citadel/GW. There was/is a symbiotic relationship going on there that Jes maybe be the only one who can take a Blanche piece of art and interpret it into a realizable mini.

And this and Kill Team and what ever they haven't shown us (but will suddenly spring open us) is not affecting Titanic or those other games because this is GW proper and those others are Specialist ie Forge World. And of course it's their ball and they decide the game we play with it.

Lastly I'd love this to be the start of a game like Necro where we'd get Eldar Corsairs and Ork Freebooters and Kroot Mercenaries and new aliens for 40K. Same idea, but different focus on the setting. Other cool things that maybe don't work too well in 40K proper.

So..is this a re-re-re-re-re-release of kill team?

OK, OK, so this stuff looks cool and all...

But when they heck are we gonna learn more about Epic? Or whatever they're adeptus titanicawhateverus. I want my Epic!

All the new models look really good, especially the Rogue Trader stuff.

But when I look at the board set up all I can think of is Zombicide: 40k edition.

100BostonFan wrote:
So..is this a re-re-re-re-re-release of kill team?

Nobody knows. I don't think so because ... why not put the Kill Team logo on it, if it was?

It seems to me that Kill Team is going to be another big push on 40k scenery (the grim gothic buidlings from the KT teaser vid) and a ruleset designed to tempt folks into getting a little bit of this faction and that faction, which in itself is a temptation to get a little more of this and that to be able to field armies in 40k proper.

By contrast, this is being teased under its own banner ("Rogue Trader" no less!) and - apparently - introduces new subfactions. This sums up what I'm hoping for from Rogue Trader:

Chairman Aeon wrote:
Lastly I'd love this to be the start of a game like Necro where we'd get Eldar Corsairs and Ork Freebooters and Kroot Mercenaries and new aliens for 40K. Same idea, but different focus on the setting. Other cool things that maybe don't work too well in 40K proper.

 pancakeonions wrote:
OK, OK, so this stuff looks cool and all...

But when they heck are we gonna learn more about Epic? Or whatever they're adeptus titanicawhateverus. I want my Epic!

Tomorrow. There’s a seminar about it at warhammerfest.

Chairman Aeon wrote:

And this and Kill Team and what ever they haven't shown us (but will suddenly spring open us) is not affecting Titanic or those other games because this is GW proper and those others are Specialist ie Forge World. And of course it's their ball and they decide the game we play with it.

They may not compete for designers' time, but there will be competition for manufacturing time and a release slot. If this has been added into the schedule recently (which I doubt; they've said repeatedly on Twitch that they're seeing new stuff a year before it comes out), then something will have been pushed back.

 Fan67 wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:
Everyone saying its Slaugth are forgetting that there are nurglings, Rotflie swarms and bloat fly pupae(?) I think.
Seems pretty clearly nurgle.

Because of the painscheme and size it actually looks like nurglings model, except they are not actually.
Even the "design" of feets and hands is different. Cybernetic heads also strange for nurglings.

Flies and maggons are the weakest part, yes, they really look very nurglish, I agree.
But overall the army looks more biomechanical.

We'll know it pretty soon, though...

I don't know why anyone would think those are Nurgling models. They're far bigger and (as you said) the limbs are completely different. To me the remind me of Lemures from D&D.

So i wonder if the Rogue Trader minis will go into the Imperial Agents list or become their own thing?

 Crazyterran wrote:
So i wonder if the Rogue Trader minis will go into the Imperial Agents list or become their own thing?

I'm going to say they'll end up with the Imperial Agents list. It would be a very sparse book otherwise.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
So i wonder if the Rogue Trader minis will go into the Imperial Agents list or become their own thing?

I'm going to say they'll end up with the Imperial Agents list. It would be a very sparse book otherwise.

Maybe the Household Guard will be the troops option, since they seem leery on doing it for Acolytes?

I guess the new Deathcult Assassin in there, we can already see one of the thirty dollar clampacks!

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
So i wonder if the Rogue Trader minis will go into the Imperial Agents list or become their own thing?

I'm going to say they'll end up with the Imperial Agents list. It would be a very sparse book otherwise.

Maybe the Household Guard will be the troops option, since they seem leery on doing it for Acolytes?

I guess the new Death Cult Assassin in there, we can already see one of the thirty dollar clampacks!

Currently Death cult assassins are units of 2-10 models. So if they are becoming a clam pack, then then means the are killing a huge rework. Sort of like how Cairn Wraiths and Banshees evolved from being units and into characters.

Skaorn wrote:
If they are trying for something new then GW really failed at giving them a distinct visual identity.

That's enough to tell me that these guys have to be chaos and probably nurgle. GW are really good at giving each faction a strong look which makes it immediately obvious they belong together. If they were introducing something new, it would look different. Those big spikes growing out of the mutants are just too similar to the ones on the new plague marines and poxwalkers for them not to be part of the same group.

I"m sure it's all been speculated already, but I would guess that like 'Overkill', this will precede at least one new army.

I don't really know anything about the rogue traders, but the models look great!

I really hope the enemies are more nurgle stuff too, although I'm getting a real 'Lost and the Damned' vibe from them (the eye of terror army list, not the old school chaos book). mutants, mutant ogres, gibbering hordes. Seems viable.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

They may not compete for designers' time, but there will be competition for manufacturing time and a release slot. If this has been added into the schedule recently (which I doubt; they've said repeatedly on Twitch that they're seeing new stuff a year before it comes out), then something will have been pushed back.

Yes, when AT went to plastic it probably lost its production schedule to... I think AT going to plastic meant GW had to find an empty production slot. Do they hold back B.B. or Necromunda stuff for AT? I’m sure SG only gets so many slots and the main studio (who produced this) gets most of it. RT18 was always meant to be in plastic and didn’t bump something meant to be in resin.

Quite surprised with the level of freaky of some mini... look at that butcher... I hope we will have some aeldari corsairs too

I approve of this direction! Stunning really, and with plastic sisters in the works it almost as if GW realizes that if they build models people will buy them. Must have that crew. Have to wonder why they got based like that though?

So I'm thinking the basis of the game will be on board a ship, lost in the warp. The mutants could very well be crew members.

No matter what they do, I will be picking up 2 of these.

This is the game Blanchitsu has been building up to. I do hope there’s rules to make your own Bands. If so, I’m ooking forward to seeing what Bands people come up with.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We all know that plastic production, store space and release slots are limited so yeah, doing Rogue Trader means not doing something else.

Like I said it ticks off a whole lot of boxes for me but if someone doesn't want it I can see why they'd resent it.

That doesn't really counter what I said.

If the "slot" that these minis went to was the slot they were going to use for this year's board game release, then it doesn't impact Blood Bowl or 40K or whatever. I very much doubt they had a new Necromunda gang sitting there went "Oh well, maybe next time! We gotta get this RT game out the door!".

Given that (from what I understand of it) alot of the flexibility for making inquisition retinues was gutted- maybe this is going to be a way to let people's creative impulses makenall kinds of cool and unique retinues for their rogue traders instead.


Also that crew was made to be what the solar auxilia evolved into, at least to my mind.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Fan67 wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:
Everyone saying its Slaugth are forgetting that there are nurglings, Rotflie swarms and bloat fly pupae(?) I think.
Seems pretty clearly nurgle.

Because of the painscheme and size it actually looks like nurglings model, except they are not actually.
Even the "design" of feets and hands is different. Cybernetic heads also strange for nurglings.

Flies and maggons are the weakest part, yes, they really look very nurglish, I agree.
But overall the army looks more biomechanical.

We'll know it pretty soon, though...

I don't know why anyone would think those are Nurgling models. They're far bigger and (as you said) the limbs are completely different. To me the remind me of Lemures from D&D.

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