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**EnTyme**

Yeah, no way is that still a 100 point spell. I'm assuming they lowered the price.

**ERJAK**

auticus wrote:
The one difference though is you are paying points for these spells allegedly. Would a rule of one apply if you are paying points for them?

You wouldn't really want to spam out endless spells anyway, the most powerful ones (cog, spellportal, balewind) only need 1 to be effective and casting multiple predatories risks having them come back on you at an inopportune moment. You're better off using the buff spells than the damaging spells unless you're planning on using them for area denial.

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EnTyme wrote:
Yeah, no was is that still a 100 point spell. I'm assuming they lowered the price.

OH balewind! Read this before the previous post and thought it was about purple sun. Yeah, balewind probably a bit cheaper.

**NinthMusketeer**

timetowaste85 wrote:
So...Balewind was previously awesome. 100pts to double spell ranges, be untargetable in CC (due to range restrictions)...pracically an auto-include. But limiting the range boost AND making it punchable? Feels like they went TOO far in neutering it (if this is true, I realize the source is semi-dubious). If it costs the same or more, I see it hitting the table 1/10th the amount it currently does. At best.

I seriously doubt it will still be 100 points. The other Endless spells are more like 20 or 40.

**timetowaste85**

For what is basically a 6” range bonus for casting...if I had an extra 20-40 points that I couldn’t spend on anything and it was that low, I’d use it. Anything more than 40 and it feels like a waste of plastic. I play Tzeentch. I agree the Gaunt Summoner/Vortex combo was ridiculously broken. But 100pts still, 6”+ and cant be in CC OR double range and can be in CC would both be reasonable. Lowering its cost and debuffing it into the dirt is extreme. Leaving it alone and raising it to 150 would also have been acceptable.

**EnTyme**

The Balewind Vortex was definitely one of the most undercosted warscroll in the game. I thought absolutely nothing of reserving 100pts to cast it. I feel like nerfing it was definitely warranted. I'll still probably take it in a Tzeentch list as long as it's in that 20-40 point range you proposed, but it's not an auto-include anymore.

**NinthMusketeer**

timetowaste85 wrote:
For what is basically a 6” range bonus for casting...if I had an extra 20-40 points that I couldn’t spend on anything and it was that low, I’d use it. Anything more than 40 and it feels like a waste of plastic. I play Tzeentch. I agree the Gaunt Summoner/Vortex combo was ridiculously broken. But 100pts still, 6”+ and cant be in CC OR double range and can be in CC would both be reasonable. Lowering its cost and debuffing it into the dirt is extreme. Leaving it alone and raising it to 150 would also have been acceptable.

No, because the old warscroll was used for cheese or not at all. This one actually has general use potential.

**auticus**

150 point old balewind vortex would still be an auto include because it creates effectively a model that can't be touched unless you have the right build.

It was the opposite of good game design.

**Skimask Mohawk**

How is the source semi dubious? We saw a screen shot

**Ghaz**

Ravenak's Gnashing Jaws...

**NinthMusketeer**

Ghaz wrote:
Ravenak's Gnashing Jaws...

Also known as 'gamer when the pizza shows up'.

**timetowaste85**

Skimask Mohawk wrote:
How is the source semi dubious? We saw a screen shot

It’s from 4chan and photoshop is a thing? I realize it’s PROBABLY a real. But it’s also a site/source that has been faked in the past

**EnTyme**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
Ravenak's Gnashing Jaws...
Also known as 'gamer when the pizza shows up'.

I'm going with Grimdark Pacman.

**Ghaz**

Warhammer TV wrote:We're live from 3:00pm (BST) today unboxing Malign Sorcery (and all the endless spells inside) – tune in to check out the sprues, learn about how they were designed and maybe get a sneak peek at the future of magic in the new edition.

Spoiler:

EDIT: Noted on the sneak peek that each new battletome (starting with Nighthaunt) will have a new Endless Spell released with the book. The Nighthaunt Endless Spell is the Mortalis Terminexus (sp) that looks like a large hourglass.

**Kanluwen**

Specifically clarifying: Not necessarily "each new Battletome", but those with Wizards at least.

**Ghaz**

Kanluwen wrote:
Specifically clarifying: Not necessarily "each new Battletome", but those with Wizards at least.

Which is basically everyone currently except Duradin. Poor Duradin...

**LumenPraebeo**

Is Age of Sigmar just fantasy with new models and codexes?

**Kanluwen**

Ghaz wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Specifically clarifying: Not necessarily "each new Battletome", but those with Wizards at least.

Which is basically everyone currently except Duradin. Poor Duradin...

I'm actually thinking that they'd get something...I mean maybe some kind of anvil...?

**Inquisitor Gideon**

LumenPraebeo wrote:
Is Age of Sigmar just fantasy with new models and codexes?

It's a fantasy game with models and battletomes, but it's not ranked. Could you possibly expand the question somewhat?

**auticus**

Its not warhammer fantasy no. Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar are completely different games. Warhammer Fantasy's ruleset is no longer supported.

The only thing that they share in common are some names of characters and the fact that they both fall in the fantasy genre, though the type of fantasy that they are is also very different.

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And ugh who deploys first still chooses who goes first...

**EnTyme**

Hmm. I was expecting them to change it to +1 to first turn if you deploy first. Disappointing. I'm thinking we'll houserule that.

**auticus**

I will continue to use the roll off for first turn method.

**Ghaz**

The Mortarch of Grief unveiled!

Behold, in all her glory – Lady Olynder, Mortarch of Grief!

Nagash is a being of exceptional power, but cannot be everywhere at once, and apportions his vast energies between the Mortarchs. Olynder is the most recently chosen of these dark lieutenants, gathering the previously disparate forces of the Nighthaunt into a terrifying spectral legion who fight at the spear tip of Nagash’s latest assault on the Mortal Realms.

In life, Olynder was a plotter and schemer who showed false remorse to improve her standing – now, in death, she is the possessor of a misery so deep and black it projects from her in vast, deadly waves. For most, to face her in battle is to lose hope and accept the inevitability of death – while those few with the will to stand before her are quickly obliterated by her deathly magics, or torn apart by spectral attendants.

We’ll be seeing more of Lady Olynder – and her Nighthaunt armies – soon, with Soul Wars being the tip of the (terrifying, definitely haunted) iceberg…

With the Mortarch of Grief revealed, only one named Nighthaunt hero remains unseen – if you fancy indulging in some wild speculation, let us know your guesses on the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Facebook page…

**Kanluwen**

She looks cool and all, but how about this art!

**Ghaz**

This looks interesting as well...

Want to learn to play Warhammer Age of Sigmar but don't know where to start? In a first for one of our core games, we've made a video series teaching you how to play – featuring a special guest presenter. Check back tomorrow for the full series.

Spoiler:

**Kanluwen**

I'm thinking it's going to be Brian Blessed.

**Ghaz**

Kanluwen wrote:
I'm thinking it's going to be Brian Blessed.

BRILLIANT!

**EnTyme**

Ghaz wrote:
The Mortarch of Grief unveiled!

Spoiler:

Nope. The veil is most definitely still there.

**Mr Morden**

Very impressive - looking forward to hearing more about her

**Glane**

auticus wrote:

The only thing that they share in common are some names of characters and the fact that they both fall in the fantasy genre, though the type of fantasy that they are is also very different.

Well that and AoS and Fantasy share the same setting.

**auticus**

Not really no. The WHFB setting was destroyed. The world that was the Old World is a now a lifeless globe that orbits Sigmar's palace.

Also looks like choosing to not take a double turn can earn you extra points in a scenario.