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I'm likewise a salty fan fed up with their awful crowd-funding. My FLGS had Death May Die Season 3/4 and Marvel United Multiverse for MONTHS before they fulfilled pledges, and in both cases they were running the game system's NEXT campaign before delivering said pledges.

CMoN can piss off, and the volume of content for all three systems is literally more than most gamers can already consume in a lifetime.

CMON owes me too much stuff for me to consider backing anything else. They have always delivered eventually, but it is feeling increasingly risky to back their campaigns as timelines continue to expand and expand. as

What's crazy is that I only back one project from any company at one time.
I'm not waiting for anything from CMON.

Only things I'm waiting for on GF/KS is a Medieval Spawn action figure, Terrorscape board game, and D&L Lazers Caves.

I cleared up monetary space for this MD campaign and they're phoning it in so bad. It's half way through and we've had one over-priced campaign expansion. And then a stretch goal with an $80k gap with a clear dice add-on to drive that.

It took 3 days to reach the last SG.
That's unheard of for CMON, and why I'm considering dropping out. I have enough MD, although the new classes are kind of cool.

The hype train left the station long ago.

I'm guessing this is why they're selling their IPs and using Gamefound. Ninja Division crashed because they went a little over their head and now we're seeing the same thing happen to CMON.

Zombicide, United: continue supporting them. For Zombicide, switch between 2 and Fantasy(moneymakers of the series) with at least one or two crossovers. For United, switch between DC and Marvel.

ASoIaF: focus more on gameplay with one or two new units seasonally, and have a plan for HotD. At least do more with tourney support.

Cthulhu: Slow. Down. End. The. Series.

Arcadia: it's dead. Sell Spaghetti Western.

Gamefound: Stop. Cancel every single project. Take a deep breath, count to 10, realise youre making a mistake and close your Gamefound and Kickstarter accounts.

Those are my suggestions, but knowing their solution is another crowdfunding project... I wonder if anyone bought B-sieged, Kaosball, or Wrath of Kings yet?

Even I finally got burnet out by KS fatigue, the only CMON KS I'm waiting for is White Death which should ship pretty soon, I cancelled everything else and got refunded. I kind of regret cancelling DCeased, but I'll pick it up retail or get the exclusives off Games Steward when it finally releases. I don't regret cancelling ASoIaF skirmish, if thats any good then I'll grab that at retail. Mostly I just want a few of the sculpts for other projects.

Haven't seen any news about if, but the Metal Gear Solid board game finally released a few weeks ago. Worth it for the minis alone, but apparently the gameplay is pretty good based on reviews

 parakuribo wrote:
I'm guessing this is why they're selling their IPs and using Gamefound. Ninja Division crashed because they went a little over their head and now we're seeing the same thing happen to CMON.

Zombicide, United: continue supporting them. For Zombicide, switch between 2 and Fantasy(moneymakers of the series) with at least one or two crossovers. For United, switch between DC and Marvel.

ASoIaF: focus more on gameplay with one or two new units seasonally, and have a plan for HotD. At least do more with tourney support.

Cthulhu: Slow. Down. End. The. Series.

Arcadia: it's dead. Sell Spaghetti Western.

Gamefound: Stop. Cancel every single project. Take a deep breath, count to 10, realise youre making a mistake and close your Gamefound and Kickstarter accounts.

Those are my suggestions, but knowing their solution is another crowdfunding project... I wonder if anyone bought B-sieged, Kaosball, or Wrath of Kings yet?

I have everything for Kaosball back when the KS ran.
It’s actually really good game.

 parakuribo wrote:
I'm guessing this is why they're selling their IPs and using Gamefound. Ninja Division crashed because they went a little over their head and now we're seeing the same thing happen to CMON.

Which IPs are they trying to sell?

 warboss wrote:


Which IPs are they trying to sell?

SMOG, Wrath of Kings, Kaosball, Dark Age....

Pretty much any non-licenced game that is not Zombicide, MD, or Cthulhu

 parakuribo wrote:

 warboss wrote:


Which IPs are they trying to sell?

SMOG, Wrath of Kings, Kaosball, Dark Age....

Pretty much any non-licenced game that is not Zombicide, MD, or Cthulhu

Thanks for the clarification! Does that include the games that they're still waiting to fulfill existing funded campaigns? Hopefully it's not contributing to consternation from backers.

I'm really worried about the future of CMON. Seems like every month they launch a new campaign. So far they do seem to fulfill every time but with a minimum 6 months delay.
Maybe just one project had a delay and now it has pushed everything back.
Still even if everything runs completely smooth inside CMON with the development of the games I imagine they have a bottleneck in the Chinese factory producing all these minis.
This model of crowdfunding multiple games before you fulfill the first one doesn't seem too sustainable.

 Ghool wrote:
I have everything for Kaosball back when the KS ran.
It’s actually really good game.

Kaosball is crazy fun. My buddy has the entire set and we play a league every so often.

But really, Dark Age needs a solid home and some love. I have A LOT of Dark Age, and while it still sees play here and there the player base near me is decreasing rapidly.

Dark Age and WoK stopped because they most likely wanted a family friendly image. That may be also why they had a very, very short agreement with Ankama(which didabsolutely nothing save for permanently damaging Krosmaster in the US).

CMON cranking out campaigns does make one worry, since you don't really know the true financial situation of these companies that well, on the other hand it's also want a company seeking the most profit would do. They're not in business to make one Kickstarter game at a time, they're in business to make the maximum amount of money they can, and if a crowdfunding website allows them to open more campaigns and make more money, then it is going to be their natural conclusion that they should do that.

I think MD3 is "okay," and I do think there's a very real possibility that their 'more is more' approach will be a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure for those who are concerned about them. MD3 is clearly them having to reach further down the barrel to find ideas, and the expansions are expensive, it's not a surprise that it doesn't look on pace to match MD2. I think it's only natural that they're going to have less individual campaign success moving to Gamefound over Kickstarter, and cranking out releases more often over spacing them out and allowing their fanbase time to budget them. And it could be they're trading in going 1-2 million over production costs in revenue every two months on Kickstarter for going 500k over production costs twice a month on Gamefound, and if the market cools and it becomes 100k over productions costs twice a month, then they'll get into trouble. But who knows.

They just shared this in today's DC United Update.
https://www.cmon.com/project-status/#crowdfunding
That's a lot of projects... but it's nice having them all together

 straken619 wrote:
They just shared this in today's DC United Update.
https://www.cmon.com/project-status/#crowdfunding
That's a lot of projects... but it's nice having them all together

This was nice to see. Hopefully if everything goes smoothly and there isn't another predictable delay from China, I should have everything I've backed from them by the end of this year.

If I even seen half of the stuff I've backed THIS YEAR i'll be surprised.

Eleven projects.... I think CMON could be the company that may cause Gamefound to set up a project limit.

 parakuribo wrote:
Eleven projects.... I think CMON could be the company that may cause Gamefound to set up a project limit.

That doesn't even include the "Pre-order" projects, of which there are 8!

That's a really helpful frankengraphic that they have for backers on their update. It also shows just how much work they still have ahead of them on ten different million dollar projects!

 frankelee wrote:
CMON cranking out campaigns does make one worry, since you don't really know the true financial situation of these companies that well, on the other hand it's also want a company seeking the most profit would do. They're not in business to make one Kickstarter game at a time, they're in business to make the maximum amount of money they can, and if a crowdfunding website allows them to open more campaigns and make more money, then it is going to be their natural conclusion that they should do that.

I think MD3 is "okay," and I do think there's a very real possibility that their 'more is more' approach will be a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure for those who are concerned about them. MD3 is clearly them having to reach further down the barrel to find ideas, and the expansions are expensive, it's not a surprise that it doesn't look on pace to match MD2. I think it's only natural that they're going to have less individual campaign success moving to Gamefound over Kickstarter, and cranking out releases more often over spacing them out and allowing their fanbase time to budget them. And it could be they're trading in going 1-2 million over production costs in revenue every two months on Kickstarter for going 500k over production costs twice a month on Gamefound, and if the market cools and it becomes 100k over productions costs twice a month, then they'll get into trouble. But who knows.

Unless I am missing something.
2024 financials - up to June 24 - show a decrease in revenue across the board and a headline Profit after tax of $175K on revenue of $15m

That doesn’t appear healthy on its own.

Deeper in their own reporting CMON state that they will continue selling via crowd funding and are looking to open up more in Asia BUT revenues are down across retail (KS) and wholesale.


They are paying the bills though..

Reminds me of Multiversus and Suicide Squad: both live games that are bleeding money, and at one point WB's solution is to... (checks notes)...focus solely on live games because(checks more notes) they're the company's biggest sellers.



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Let's face it: until Zombicide and Arcadia Quest, they focused mainly on some of the finest miniatures. Zombicide is very cool, and I respect Arcadia. However, they began to churn out more and more KS projects with more exclusive expansions while thegames they make for retail are literally one and done.

I always thought they would reach a point where their house of cards would fall if they don't get things under control and unfortunately I can see someone set it on fire soon; either this year or the next

Thanks, Burning.

If you're not discriminate I've found cheaper retail prices for miniatures for CMON and other companies than their original crowdfunding. Archon is still less expensive through crowdfunding than retail, and have a GameFound campaign for their pirate-themed ship and miniatures on April 1st.

I'm on the fence with MD3. Not as many mini's as MD1, possibly b/c CMON is concerned about tariffs. Still haven't even played most of my CMON games, although the MD1 mini's are *great* for enemies that have elite units and ranged ones!

Technically a CMON property though they don't appear to be directly involved, but Big Child Creatives and Adrian Smith have announced an STL campaign for HATE

https://www.myminifactory.com/frontier/hate-3587

Launching mid-March, they're releasing digital files for the miniatures from the KS Exclusive boardgame from 2018 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/hate

"Forged in the crucible of battle, the warriors of Hate have returned to defy destiny. We keep the models that once made your rivals tremble and have forged new versions of the most legendary fighters"

The pre-campaign sign-up bonus is the same Rash'Nar Mercenary model offered as part of the CMON Comics Vol. 2 promo, with the campaign proper to offer "over 70 STL files". By my count there were 98 unique sculpts made for HATE, including the two massive characters for the aforementioned comic promo, so it'll be interesting to see what has been resculpted and what has been cut.

Very limited information on the page, and the community Discord server says nothing else, but in comment replies on Instagram, BCC have indicated that the peripheral content such as cards, tokens, fields and dice will all be included for people to play the game, with Adrian Smith himself saying "there's lots planned", although physical miniatures are off the table for the foreseeable future. Unclear if there's any new content in the pipeline, I'd guess all of the work they've done so far and hope to continue in the campaign is focused on reviving the board game to an actually supported product, with a few larger resculpts to entice back owners of the original.

Hopefully a proper newsletter announcement will follow shortly to provide actual concrete information so you don't have to rely on my speculation pieced together from social media interactions.

I've not heard anything to suggest that Adrian Smith has parted ways with CMON as lead artist or if he's privately taken back control of his IP, so this seems to be the correct place for this post, but if anyone can confirm otherwise, then it might warrant a separate thread once more (any, really) information comes out.

Cool! It's a little too Chaosy Northern Tribes of the Frozen Wastes for me personally but I'm a fan of his art from back in the Leviathan days and the sculpts are nice. I actually just picked up a couple figs (technically just wanted one but they were sold as a group of four) from the similar primal but not chaos barbarian Blood Rage game.

I am excited about the HATE crowdfunding. I almost pulled the trigger years ago but skipped it for some reason. If it has all the KS exclusives in it then I will definitely back it and be printing for a long time.

Played Massive Darkness 2 a couple weeks ago. We are considering playing a campaign. By the end of the game my berserker was so kitted out it was stupid.

Good on BCC for doing this. Unfortunately, it's going to out off some fans especially those without a way to print. I do think, however, this is a much better option than how CMON handled it.

HATE has really great miniatures and design work. Adrian is an absolute genius at creating groups of miniatures that share same design language so they clearly belong to the same tribe etc. without being hamfisted about it like GW frequently are ("Look, they all have matching belt buckles with the warband insignia!")

I've really enjoyed painting up the giants (and others) from HATE.

I don't have a resin printer, but I'd like several of the sculpts scaled up a bit, so I look forward to buying some from somebody at some point.

I wish they would do an alternate sculpt or two. The Tribe of Sarrassa are absolutely incredibly and I would love more plant zombie guys to add to my band.

I managed to pick up a cheap copy of HATE for the minis (turns out the box had a duplicated set of the tribesmen, and was missing the second set - but CMON sent me a replacement - so extra minis!) and they're absolutely excellent

Nice to see they'll get to come back into circulation.

Per Big Child Creatives on Instagram -

Hello The Hate universe is back, and the IP belongs exclusively to Adrian Smith, who is now collaborating with Big Child Creatives. CMON has granted us the rights to relaunch the project in digital format as a way to support the project and the community. However, since they are no longer involved in the management, they have requested that their logo not be included.
To answer your question—yes, it’s a continuation! We are bringing back all the miniatures and accessories, with some adjustments to ensure both veteran players and newcomers can fully enjoy the digital format.

Very pleased to hear it's back under Adrian's control. I understand the original decision to not support it into retail, especially seeing how physically large the game became, but it must have felt a bit of a shame that all that work was just one and done

Given the news though, as far as thread relevancy, I'd suppose everything there is to be said about it is currently apropos the CMON product, so I'll wait until the campaign is underway to make a new thread

The planned disposal of some of CMONs IPs is not going ahead.

The Company would like to update potential investors and the shareholders of the
Company that the Disposal will not proceed as the parties are not being able to agree on
the terms of the Disposal and sign a definitive agreement. The Company has already
informed the other party in respect of the termination of the Disposal in accordance with
the terms of the MOU. Accordingly, no intellectual properties of the Group will be
disposed of.

Big Child creatives said on the Discord that there would be new sculpts for the HATE campaign!!