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 Carnikang wrote:
I notice a lot of the comments are specifically about the 40k book, not so much the AoS book. And, to be frank, I think that's pretty fair.

I would suspect that's just a sign of how less invested people are in the AOS background.


I have to say, the negativity about this has surprised me. I mean, there's always been a small section of the community that's complained about those durned kids ruining the hobby by having the temerity to be interested in it, but this announcement seems to have really brought that to the forefront.

Without kids getting into the hobby, the hobby eventually dies. A few books aimed at kids won't destroy your hobby, and might well introduce it to kids who otherwise might not have even known it existed.

Everyone needs to take a chill pill and accept that not every product is aimed at them, and that's ok.

So I took one for the team and bought one of the Star wars books these writers worked on before. Basically if you think Roald Dahl in terms of presentation, writing style and book length, then you won't be far wrong.

 insaniak wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:
I notice a lot of the comments are specifically about the 40k book, not so much the AoS book. And, to be frank, I think that's pretty fair.

I would suspect that's just a sign of how less invested people are in the AOS background.


I have to say, the negativity about this has surprised me. I mean, there's always been a small section of the community that's complained about those durned kids ruining the hobby by having the temerity to be interested in it, but this announcement seems to have really brought that to the forefront.

Without kids getting into the hobby, the hobby eventually dies. A few books aimed at kids won't destroy your hobby, and might well introduce it to kids who otherwise might not have even known it existed.

Everyone needs to take a chill pill and accept that not every product is aimed at them, and that's ok.

Indeed. It's a 40k forum first, after all.

But be sure AOS in the fluff is as gruesome as any Warhammer settings. The Gates of Azyr novel by Chris Wraight (first for the game) deals with funny themes like the fall of all civilization, cannibalism (on still living victims) or the torture of old people for sports.

I wouldn't want the setting(s) to be less grimdark, of course. But it's not what is happening. It's just another line, for another audience.

If I have kids one day I'll teach them how to read with "RQ : City of Lifestone"

 insaniak wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:
I notice a lot of the comments are specifically about the 40k book, not so much the AoS book. And, to be frank, I think that's pretty fair.

I would suspect that's just a sign of how less invested people are in the AOS background.

I was quite excited about the fantasy range of the books until I saw the Sigmarine. For some reason I thought it'd be more low fantasy/old worldy. It might still make for some decent stories and mini games, especially since the world is so open.

so 40k/AoS equivalent of lego Batman then.

fair enough.

Lego Batman is amazing. IMHO it's by far the best Batman film. And I'm a fan of the franchise.

 insaniak wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:
I notice a lot of the comments are specifically about the 40k book, not so much the AoS book. And, to be frank, I think that's pretty fair.

I would suspect that's just a sign of how less invested people are in the AOS background.


I have to say, the negativity about this has surprised me. I mean, there's always been a small section of the community that's complained about those durned kids ruining the hobby by having the temerity to be interested in it, but this announcement seems to have really brought that to the forefront.

Without kids getting into the hobby, the hobby eventually dies. A few books aimed at kids won't destroy your hobby, and might well introduce it to kids who otherwise might not have even known it existed.

Everyone needs to take a chill pill and accept that not every product is aimed at them, and that's ok.

And some people need to be accept that there are people who thinks this a bad move from GW, and that's ok.

Herzlos wrote:
Lego Batman is amazing. IMHO it's by far the best Batman film. And I'm a fan of the franchise.

Lego Star Wars is far better than recent film and certainly better than that POS Last Jedi.

The episodes are also much cleverer.

Lego Warhammer would be awesome!

 reds8n wrote:
so 40k/AoS equivalent of lego Batman then.

fair enough.

If they manage to be Lego Batman good that would be awesome, but I doubt that. I'm fine if they get it Terry Pratchett's "Nation" good. Also I think it is fair to asume that the focus will be more on classic childerns book topics like friendship, growing up and having an andventure. AOS and 40k is just the setting.

 insaniak wrote:
I have to say, the negativity about this has surprised me. I mean, there's always been a small section of the community that's complained about those durned kids ruining the hobby by having the temerity to be interested in it, but this announcement seems to have really brought that to the forefront.

Without kids getting into the hobby, the hobby eventually dies. A few books aimed at kids won't destroy your hobby, and might well introduce it to kids who otherwise might not have even known it existed.

Everyone needs to take a chill pill and accept that not every product is aimed at them, and that's ok.

One can agree with the principle of introducing Warhammer to children but disagree with the method. No child hated Star Wars because Luke Skywalker was old enough to own a "car", so it's a mistake to think that the protagonists of a children's story have to be children themselves.

Yet Harry Potter was 11....and that's been pretty successful.

Majority of YA book feature protagonists ages with the intended readership.

I think the best part about this has been the reaction among alt-right circles, who think the presence of minorities in the books is part of some sort of 'cultural Marxist' agenda to destroy the west.

dyndraig wrote:
And some people need to be accept that there are people who thinks this a bad move from GW, and that's ok.

Just thinking it's bad move would be ok, sure, but most criticism of this I saw on various forums were based on racism (N-word protagonist! REEE!!!), sexism (what dem wimminz are doing outside of kitchen! REEE!), snobbish elitism (kiddos in my hobby?! REEEEEE!!!), or plainly having so tight horizons and small reference pool of books read you simply can't imagine there are YA books out there, right now, that deal with the themes potential YA Warhammer stories would do, excellent ones at that, and they sky didn't fall somehow...

Last time I checked, none of the above is okay. This place is thankfully more civilized than /pol/ and the rest of their ilk.

 AlexHolker wrote:

One can agree with the principle of introducing Warhammer to children but disagree with the method. No child hated Star Wars because Luke Skywalker was old enough to own a "car", so it's a mistake to think that the protagonists of a children's story have to be children themselves.

Have to be? No, of course not. But the idea of the protagonist being someone that the reader can relate to in order to help them connect with the story is a fairly established one in fiction writing, and for the most part kids relate better to kids than to adults.

And, of course, that's assuming that the protagonists of all of these stories will always be kids.

And overlooking that fact that for those who don't want to read books about kids, there are how many Black Library novels out there now?


This doesn't take away anything that's already there. Just adds another option.

 Irbis wrote:

dyndraig wrote:
And some people need to be accept that there are people who thinks this a bad move from GW, and that's ok.

Just thinking it's bad move would be ok, sure, but most criticism of this I saw on various forums were based on racism (N-word protagonist! REEE!!!), sexism (what dem wimminz are doing outside of kitchen! REEE!), snobbish elitism (kiddos in my hobby?! REEEEEE!!!), or plainly having so tight horizons and small reference pool of books read you simply can't imagine there are YA books out there, right now, that deal with the themes potential YA Warhammer stories would do, excellent ones at that, and they sky didn't fall somehow...

Last time I checked, none of the above is okay. This place is thankfully more civilized than /pol/ and the rest of their ilk.

Is it really necessary to compare the arguments of those people to autism? That is exactly what that "Reeee!" meme is.

No one apart from you mentioned autism. That's just meant to be a screeching incoherently noise. But those people don't have arguments. Not sane ones anyway.

I'm curious enough to get the AoS book just to see how they'll be able to adapt some of the most hostile universes to human life to children. I'm really, really curious. (AoS one just looks cooler, reminds me of the old school D&D cartoon show)

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
No one apart from you mentioned autism. That's just meant to be a screeching incoherently noise. But those people don't have arguments. Not sane ones anyway.

That is literally the text that accompanies the "autistic screeching" meme. Do your research next time before laying on the fething snark. If the only counter argument you can formulate is "these people are autistic" then you're just as bad as them.

I really couldn't care less what the definition of a "meme" is. Meme is a junk word anyway. That is just an incoherent screeching noise, usually accompanied by idiot rage. But again, you brought Autism up, no one else. You're just looking for a way to start an argument.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
No one apart from you mentioned autism. That's just meant to be a screeching incoherently noise. But those people don't have arguments. Not sane ones anyway.

That is literally the text that accompanies the "autistic screeching" meme. Do your research next time before laying on the fething snark. If the only counter argument you can formulate is "these people are autistic" then you're just as bad as them.

NOPE!

""REEEEEEE" is an onomatopoeic expression of intense rage or frustration typically associated with the Angry Pepe character and used by those who frequent the /r9k/ board on 4chan. The expression is often associated with the Autistic Screeching meme, however it is intended to represent the unique croak produced by several species of frogs when agitated."

Autistic screeching is misassociated. Before you try to school someone fething educate yourself - at least try to

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
No one apart from you mentioned autism. That's just meant to be a screeching incoherently noise. But those people don't have arguments. Not sane ones anyway.

That is literally the text that accompanies the "autistic screeching" meme. Do your research next time before laying on the fething snark. If the only counter argument you can formulate is "these people are autistic" then you're just as bad as them.

Not like you to be intentionally antagonistic and aggressive. It's clear that it wasn't used in that way, but you are using it as a way to attack someone.

I don't so much have a problem with the general intent of these and what they are trying to accomplish, but at the same time the idea itself and the information given so far is somewhat concerning. The W40K setting is supposed to be one of the darkest, most horrifying places possible - the worrying aspect to me is that they don't really see a problem with doing this in the first place.Going for the approach of trying to portray these horrifying parts of the setting as something friendly or nice is the wrong way to go about it, the W40K setting is not a setting that should have a group of best friends from entirely different upbringings that resulted in pretty normal, seemingly good people who are going on fun and exciting adventures together because facing those horrors surely couldn't be that bad!. It's an idea that in itself goes against the defining aspects of the setting.

The concerning part is that it's going to result in things that are completely against and don't fit in with the rest of the setting, yet they're still part of the setting. While these obviously aren't going to change the entire setting or anything like that, they do still have an affect on it and the way it shows things reflects back on that. The Star Wars: Rebels TV show was something also aimed at younger audiences, and while there were some dark moments in there, it also resulted in such silly, absurd things are lightsaber helicopters because of the intended audience. So my concern is that this will modify certain things in order to fit in with that idea of showing the setting in a good light. For example - the character Talen. It mentions he ran away to stop being conscripted into the Imperial Guard, but then right after that it goes on to say he joined a feral Hive Gang...yet he "has a good heart". That seems to be a complete misportrayal of what life in a Hive City, and even more so in a Hive Gang, would result in and cause someone to be and it's that sort of thing of twisting something too far to make it fit in with the tone of this that is a concern to me. It's diluting the themes of the setting too much, basically.

Maybe these won't turn out too bad, but from what the site says it sounds like it's not going to be good.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I don't so much have a problem with the general intent of these and what they are trying to accomplish, but at the same time the idea itself and the information given so far is somewhat concerning. The W40K setting is supposed to be one of the darkest, most horrifying places possible - the worrying aspect to me is that they don't really see a problem with doing this in the first place.Going for the approach of trying to portray these horrifying parts of the setting as something friendly or nice is the wrong way to go about it, the W40K setting is not a setting that should have a group of best friends from entirely different upbringings that resulted in pretty normal, seemingly good people who are going on fun and exciting adventures together because facing those horrors surely couldn't be that bad!. It's an idea that in itself goes against the defining aspects of the setting.

The concerning part is that it's going to result in things that are completely against and don't fit in with the rest of the setting, yet they're still part of the setting. While these obviously aren't going to change the entire setting or anything like that, they do still have an affect on it and the way it shows things reflects back on that. The Star Wars: Rebels TV show was something also aimed at younger audiences, and while there were some dark moments in there, it also resulted in such silly, absurd things are lightsaber helicopters because of the intended audience. So my concern is that this will modify certain things in order to fit in with that idea of showing the setting in a good light. For example - the character Talen. It mentions he ran away to stop being conscripted into the Imperial Guard, but then right after that it goes on to say he joined a feral Hive Gang...yet he "has a good heart". That seems to be a complete misportrayal of what life in a Hive City, and even more so in a Hive Gang, would result in and cause someone to be and it's that sort of thing of twisting something too far to make it fit in with the tone of this that is a concern to me. It's diluting the themes of the setting too much, basically.

Maybe these won't turn out too bad, but from what the site says it sounds like it's not going to be good.

Pretty sure I've never seen a lightsaber helicopter in any of the main Star Wars film. Thus I couldn't care less that it appears in childrens fiction. In the same way I don't care what Warhammer Adventures says about Hive Gangs. Well, I could read it and enjoy it perhaps, completely divorced from my enjoyment of the mainstream 40k universe, with neither one affecting my enjoyment of the other.

Writing stories set in the 40K universe and aimed at a younger audience than the game usually is could actually work. It's just that if you want something other than fascist propaganda for kids you're going to have to put a lot of work in and the result wouldn't necessarily be a fun story. Something that tackles the realities of living in what the Imperium actually is would have its place in literature and certainly wouldn't be without precedent. I'm not too convinced this will happen, though.

Bloodmaster wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
No one apart from you mentioned autism. That's just meant to be a screeching incoherently noise. But those people don't have arguments. Not sane ones anyway.

That is literally the text that accompanies the "autistic screeching" meme. Do your research next time before laying on the fething snark. If the only counter argument you can formulate is "these people are autistic" then you're just as bad as them.

NOPE!

""REEEEEEE" is an onomatopoeic expression of intense rage or frustration typically associated with the Angry Pepe character and used by those who frequent the /r9k/ board on 4chan. [b]The expression is often associated with the Autistic Screeching meme[/b], however it is intended to represent the unique croak produced by several species of frogs when agitated."

Autistic screeching is misassociated. Before you try to school someone fething educate yourself - at least try to

Hrm.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I don't so much have a problem with the general intent of these and what they are trying to accomplish, but at the same time the idea itself and the information given so far is somewhat concerning. The W40K setting is supposed to be one of the darkest, most horrifying places possible - the worrying aspect to me is that they don't really see a problem with doing this in the first place.Going for the approach of trying to portray these horrifying parts of the setting as something friendly or nice is the wrong way to go about it, the W40K setting is not a setting that should have a group of best friends from entirely different upbringings that resulted in pretty normal, seemingly good people who are going on fun and exciting adventures together because facing those horrors surely couldn't be that bad!. It's an idea that in itself goes against the defining aspects of the setting.

The concerning part is that it's going to result in things that are completely against and don't fit in with the rest of the setting, yet they're still part of the setting. While these obviously aren't going to change the entire setting or anything like that, they do still have an affect on it and the way it shows things reflects back on that. The Star Wars: Rebels TV show was something also aimed at younger audiences, and while there were some dark moments in there, it also resulted in such silly, absurd things are lightsaber helicopters because of the intended audience. So my concern is that this will modify certain things in order to fit in with that idea of showing the setting in a good light. For example - the character Talen. It mentions he ran away to stop being conscripted into the Imperial Guard, but then right after that it goes on to say he joined a feral Hive Gang...yet he "has a good heart". That seems to be a complete misportrayal of what life in a Hive City, and even more so in a Hive Gang, would result in and cause someone to be and it's that sort of thing of twisting something too far to make it fit in with the tone of this that is a concern to me. It's diluting the themes of the setting too much, basically.

Maybe these won't turn out too bad, but from what the site says it sounds like it's not going to be good.

Pretty sure I've never seen a lightsaber helicopter in any of the main Star Wars film. Thus I couldn't care less that it appears in childrens fiction. In the same way I don't care what Warhammer Adventures says about Hive Gangs. Well, I could read it and enjoy it perhaps, completely divorced from my enjoyment of the mainstream 40k universe, with neither one affecting my enjoyment of the other.

Neckbeards got real bent out of shape over 6 seconds of lame in a TV series that lasted 75 episodes. The series had a lot of growth and maturity that would have matched its audience, who started at 8-9 and finished the series at 12-13. But these are the same folks who will sputter endlessly about bombs falling in space in Last Jedi, conveniently ignoring the asteroid bombing in Empire.

I find it absurd to demand that every single bit of content produced for a series be specifically catered to your tastes...

How do you teach inclusivity in a fascist theocracy?

 Red_Five wrote:
How do you teach inclusivity in a fascist theocracy?

No where in the entire product description does it mention inclusivity and the plot on the site as presented doesn't mention it, its all about adventures.

So help me understand and explain exactly what you mean by that comment?

 blood reaper wrote:
I think the best part about this has been the reaction among alt-right circles, who think the presence of minorities in the books is part of some sort of 'cultural Marxist' agenda to destroy the west.

I saw a guy on twitter use the phrase "zomg cringe!" in response to these books. In 2018!

 Irbis wrote:
Just thinking it's bad move would be ok, sure, but most criticism of this I saw on various forums were based on racism (N-word protagonist! REEE!!!), sexism (what dem wimminz are doing outside of kitchen! REEE!), snobbish elitism (kiddos in my hobby?! REEEEEE!!!), or plainly having so tight horizons and small reference pool of books read you simply can't imagine there are YA books out there, right now, that deal with the themes potential YA Warhammer stories would do, excellent ones at that, and they sky didn't fall somehow...

Last time I checked, none of the above is okay.

Well, the last one is kinda okay though. I mean, sure, the way you put it, you make it sound not great, but it's hardly as terrible as the other two. I guess that's why you didn't put a REEEEEE!!! at the end, no ?
I mean, I'm personally skeptical of the concept for this reason, so I'm somehow biased, but my feelings on the issue aren't that strong either .

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:


Neckbeards got real bent out of shape over 6 seconds of lame in a TV series that lasted 75 episodes. The series had a lot of growth and maturity that would have matched its audience, who started at 8-9 and finished the series at 12-13. But these are the same folks who will sputter endlessly about bombs falling in space in Last Jedi, conveniently ignoring the asteroid bombing in Empire.

Pretty sure the bombs in Empire had propulsion and didn't rely on gravity.