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This thread is a great example of why she's more relavent and needed for this hobby.

Hopefully she has the same positive influence

Thebiggesthat wrote:
This thread is a great example of why she's more relavent and needed for this hobby.

Hopefully she has the same positive influence

I really want to go with my first instinct and laugh at the obvious sarcasm. But on Dakka, sometimes I'm not sure it's sarcasm.

 Sqorgar wrote:
Have you seen the threads about boob armor and combat heels on Dakka? Not a single one of those threads has ever gone to completion.

First, boob armor is great.

Second, every one of those threads goes to completion, and then gets locked when there's nothing left to be said. They're glorious.

That reminds me, aren't we overdue for a FemMarines with boob armor thread?

Thebiggesthat wrote:
This thread is a great example of why she's more relavent and needed for this hobby.

Hopefully she has the same positive influence

bu5 she won't, she'll purposely draw flak from the tiny hard of thinking frothing minority too thick to see how she's playing, which will then snowball into all gamers are petulant wammins hating manchilds which will be blood in the water for the clickbait sharks on both sides (the interwebs has no middle ground) ahd it'll turn into something akin to the TLJ or Mtg debate

I'm surprised that she was invited to Gencon, but it is worrisome. I have always thought that tabletop gaming was to small a industry to attract these sort of people, I might have been wrong on that it seems.

 ulgurstasta wrote:
I'm surprised that she was invited to Gencon, but it is worrisome. I have always thought that tabletop gaming was to small a industry to attract these sort of people, I might have been wrong on that it seems.

Punch "feminist 40k" into Facebook's search bar.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 ulgurstasta wrote:
I'm surprised that she was invited to Gencon, but it is worrisome. I have always thought that tabletop gaming was to small a industry to attract these sort of people, I might have been wrong on that it seems.

Punch "feminist 40k" into Facebook's search bar.

Or, trust me on this, do not do that. Ever.

I don't know who this woman is and I don't particularly care, from my brief scan of the posts above there seems to be a split in terms of what people think of her.

One thing I can say for certain however is that the House on the Haunted Hill expansion has some of the most badly written and awful missions of any board game I've ever played. I hope her involvement in this was minimal.

Why on earth would somebody have as a guest of honour a toxic, absolutist, who refuses to debate their ideas, cuts off any comments and communication and has recorded instances of bullying and harassing people?

It is intriguing to think it will be a Q&A but as, mythcon was it?, shown last year she will insult whoever she recognises in the audience as her critique bully to tears whoever "fellow" panellist dares to have a different line from her (and for the record his message was a unifying one not a divisive one) and walk away breaking all terms of conduct without any penalty because reasons....

Industry changers? sure, if you support a divisive, exclusive industry were any opinion and creation that does not follow the line her agenda wants needs to be burned, change is not always good and we should not celebrate all people who created change, some changes are outright horrible.

She indeed had an impact definitely on communities but admittedly she was a catalyst the communities were set to fall because the moderation did not have a diverse opinion.

Thankfully her biggest ambition, making UN force internet surveillance regulations for "Cyber bulling" have not been (fully) realised yet, but we are getting there.

My personal hypothesis is that the digital gaming industry has been saturated by her kind and there are far more contemporary and aggressive people like her that eat up her relevance and by that her revenue, so she decided to expand on the new pastures of physical gaming, were there is less competition and more money to be made.

Also there are complains for the new sisters sculpt? aside from a minor anatomical issue I do not see why someone would complain?

I cannot believe that, this long after the shockingly vile Gamergate saga, people still view Sarkeesian as the villain.

That's just embarrassing.

Any good reason why not?

I'll hold off on my opinion of what she says at the con until after she's spoken at the con.

I think she could offer some interesting opinions from the outside looking in, and her inclusion is certainly guaranteed to attract publicity, we'll see if something of worth comes of it or if it just triggers a lot of incel tosspots into pointless rage.

I'm rather more concerned that her speaking will bring total <REMOVED> like Sargon of Akkad, Unsleeved Media and other neofascist, woman hating douches sniffing around my hobby, because apparently we don't already have enough of those.

Please do not circumvent the language filter - BrookM

Oh, Sadcase of Arcadia has already spat the dummy over Feminist 40k.

Quite pathetic, really.

It's just the kind of thing the people who like that sort of thing like.

The only way to win seems to be, not to play.
It's your money spend it how you want.


The internet and the media is providing a platform for an outrage culture. It's just not worth the stress.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Any good reason why not?

Well, bad people were nasty to her, so ipso facto bingo wotsit she's the goodie and in the right?

I just find the whole nonsense tiresome TBH. Her material is the usual Internet Expert mix of hyperbolic nonsense and completely uncontroversial Feminism 101 stuff repackaged as Revelation but for some reason she was anointed as Grand Feminist by a couple of gaming websites and some people just don't seem willing to let that go despite the fact that it's their rabid opposition to her that keeps her in the spotlight.

Like, seriously, imagine a world where people had responded to her initial efforts with polite disinterest instead of unreasoning rage *sigh*

But hey, looks like we're opening up a new front in the Culture War, I can't wait to be told all of the reasons why things I enjoy are basically Hitler and then get drowned in the frothing backlash from the minority of raging morons who can only disagree with someone via the medium of Pepe memes and rape threats

Ugh, I'm not really following what's going on here. Can someone sum up for me who this is, why it has so many people arguing, and why I should care?

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Thebiggesthat wrote:
This thread is a great example of why she's more relavent and needed for this hobby.

Hopefully she has the same positive influence

I really want to go with my first instinct and laugh at the obvious sarcasm. But on Dakka, sometimes I'm not sure it's sarcasm.

Well, no one has censured you for your posts about "pathetic incels" and "teats", so I'm not so sure that your idea of Dakka as some sort of lefty liberal bastion is very credible.

I didn't care much for her videos, so I didn't watch them. But the absolutely vile hate parade she received showed that there are some pretty deep problems in nerdy communities. The depth of loathing she can apparently summon now, years later, is another sign of something pretty deeply wrong. Just ignore her if you don't like her. There really is no need to get so nasty and bitter about it. (This is not directed solely at Adeptus Doritos).

I have to say, I do enjoy it whenever a nerdy property like Star Wars or whatever pisses off a bunch of bigots by including people from minorities or giving women a prominent role, as though that was never part of the franchise before. I love that people that unpleasant can no longer enjoy certain media because of their political views. It makes me happy. (Of course, before anyone who feels the need to point out that you can dislike Star Wars without being a bigot chimes in, I get that. But there are plenty who hate it just because they think it's too "SJW" focused, and that's who I am talking about.)

dosiere wrote:
Ugh, I'm not really following what's going on here. Can someone sum up for me who this is, why it has so many people arguing, and why I should care?

Anita Sarkeesian is a feminist author/video producer/whatever who did commentary on issues with video games. While she had some legitimate, if not terribly original, points she ended up with fame far disproportionate to the significance of her work because of the Gamergate dumpster fire. The anti-feminist crowd decided that she's Satan incarnate and whined and cried endlessly over the fact that someone to the left of Hitler might say something less than 200% mindlessly fanboyish about their favorite video games, and people sympathetic to her gave her a ton of money to produce more of the same not terribly original content (or, let's be honest here, as a "thank you for putting up with these s" gesture). Now she has been invited to speak at a convention, and the right-wing outrage machine is losing it again.

As for why you should care, you shoudn't. In any sane world it's just one talk among many, attend it or go do something else with your time. The main relevance of it is how the reaction to her exposes the fact that we still have a problem with certain toxic elements of the geek community.

dosiere wrote:
Ugh, I'm not really following what's going on here. Can someone sum up for me who this is, why it has so many people arguing, and why I should care?

A woman has been invited to a gaming con. Depending on if you think GamerGate was a consumer revolt against a horribly corrupt games journalism industry and the heavy hand of progressive politics trying to force an agenda into videogames or a harassment campaign by a group of misogynists and neo nazis who want to drive women out of the industry this either means the con has invited a terrible speaker who has no place being an honoured guest or people are getting their panties in a twist about nothing because they too probably want women out of their hobby.


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 Peregrine wrote:
and the right-wing outrage machine is losing it again

I really do hate this characterization of the people that dislike her. This isn't a right vs left thing, this is progressives vs anti progressives (for lack of a better term) and the majority of Gamergate when polled fell into the liberal/central parts of the political compass. Being opposed to her and her views does not make one right wing.

It does sort of make you a bit ... odd though doesn't it? Being "opposed" to someone who just makes what are essentially youtube videos about video games? I mean hhbomberguy made a video where he said Fallout 3 was gak, but I'm not "opposed" to him.

And it is a fact that Gamergate was intentionally hijacked by rightwingers as a way to attack feminists and recruit young men. There are plenty of people on record admitting to this. For god's sake, the whole thing started with a who slept with who argument involving an indie developer, which was apparently the biggest crisis to ever hit ethics in games journalism.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Depending on if you think GamerGate was a consumer revolt against a horribly corrupt games journalism industry

AKA, "if you aren't very well informed about the subject".

I really do hate this characterization of the people that dislike her. This isn't a right vs left thing, this is progressives vs anti progressives (for lack of a better term) and the majority of Gamergate when polled fell into the liberal/central parts of the political compass. Being opposed to her and her views does not make one right wing.

It's a situation that doesn't fit perfectly well with the conventional right/left split (a problem with a one-dimensional political scale), but most/all of the Gamergate crowd define themselves in opposition to the left and share a lot of the same social conservative views as the conventional right. And Gamergate got much of its attention when it was picked up by the mainstream right-wing outrage machine and used as a tool in their ongoing anti-progressive crusade. It was a relatively minor event until mainstream conservative media figures, even ones who admitted to never playing games or even having contempt for gamers, started promoting it.

Red Weasel wrote:
How did she ruin an industry? As far as I can tell the only thing that has changed is that there are more whining man babies than I thought.

What exactly do you fear will happen? More armor on the Sisters?

I never liked their helmets, they looked much cooler with the gas masks


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 Da Boss wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Thebiggesthat wrote:
This thread is a great example of why she's more relavent and needed for this hobby.

Hopefully she has the same positive influence

I really want to go with my first instinct and laugh at the obvious sarcasm. But on Dakka, sometimes I'm not sure it's sarcasm.

Well, no one has censured you for your posts about "pathetic incels" and "teats", so I'm not so sure that your idea of Dakka as some sort of lefty liberal bastion is very credible.

I didn't care much for her videos, so I didn't watch them. But the absolutely vile hate parade she received showed that there are some pretty deep problems in nerdy communities. The depth of loathing she can apparently summon now, years later, is another sign of something pretty deeply wrong. Just ignore her if you don't like her. There really is no need to get so nasty and bitter about it. (This is not directed solely at Adeptus Doritos).

I have to say, I do enjoy it whenever a nerdy property like Star Wars or whatever pisses off a bunch of bigots by including people from minorities or giving women a prominent role, as though that was never part of the franchise before. I love that people that unpleasant can no longer enjoy certain media because of their political views. It makes me happy. (Of course, before anyone who feels the need to point out that you can dislike Star Wars without being a bigot chimes in, I get that. But there are plenty who hate it just because they think it's too "SJW" focused, and that's who I am talking about.)

Star Wars was, I don't care if they put blacks or women in there, whatever. My issue was they wrote them like crap.
They were awful characters, there only because they were black or women or whatever to fill the agenda.
Social Justice movies forgets to write these people as people, as well rounded characters people will like.
Politics aside the new Star Wars just sucks.
The Prequels didn't have politics in them and they sucked too.

I really don't wanna drag the thread down the rabbit hole of 'what was gamergate all about', but I'd just like to leave these here and say unless you describe anything anti progressive as conservative (which would be a very childish interpretation of politics) no, gamergate in general (at least not the 95 thousand member reddit group) don't have socially conservative views and while I am sure there were people who were pushed to the right by what happened it wasn't highjacked by right wingers.


Which came from: http://www.gameobjective.com/2016/11/21/no-gamergate-is-not-right-wing/
And the methodology/FAQ for the poll: https://medium.com/@Brad_Glasgow/the-gamergate-survey-and-book-methodology-and-faq-42793440c612

I vaguely remember some girl called Anita making some slightly naff videos mentioning sexism in video games; which got the usual OTT backlash of rape & murder threats/misogynistic bullcrap over social media. Her being invited to a games convention is hardly something that requires endorsement or opposition. Games are games, some video games are like tabletop games and vice versa, often deliberately (love me some PC Space Hulk). There is crossover. It's not quite like a rapper being invited to a knitting convention.

The only people who need 'opposing', or indeed, any attention/opinion whatsoever, are the disgusting insecure specimens of humanity hell bent on scaring off any woman who ever mentions sexism.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I'm rather more concerned that her speaking will bring total <REMOVED> like Sargon of Akkad, Unsleeved Media and other neofascist, woman hating douches sniffing around my hobby, because apparently we don't already have enough of those. [/color]

I'm pretty sure Unsleeved is 'rude' and a troll, but I wouldn't go as far as to say he 'hates women'. Sargon, on the other hand, I'd say it's comical. But people who have no argument really like to poison the well with false statements. If you disagree with [insert feminist], you must hate women!

Our hobby isn't full of woman-haters. Our hobby is full of guys that can't figure out why women don't want to play with them. And rather than accept that the hobby has more appeal to males than females on average, or rather than taking a shower and doing laundry- they'll blame these phantom bigots for keeping away these phantom women that just love 40k and are dying to play.

 Peregrine wrote:
As for why you should care, you shoudn't. In any sane world it's just one talk among many, attend it or go do something else with your time. The main relevance of it is how the reaction to her exposes the fact that we still have a problem with certain toxic elements of the geek community.

"You not wanting cancer proves that there's a problem and you need cancer." I love circular logic.

You want someone to talk about feminism? There's no shortage of people. But at least pick someone credible and someone that isn't a scam artist.

 Da Boss wrote:
Well, no one has censured you for your posts about "pathetic incels" and "teats", so I'm not so sure that your idea of Dakka as some sort of lefty liberal bastion is very credible.

Because it's not a 'liberal' problem. A 'liberal' is smart enough to see that this woman isn't an activist, she's a huckster. Plenty of liberals have called her on it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh, Sadcase of Arcadia has already spat the dummy over Feminist 40k.

The only thing 'pathetic' I see are most of the people posting in that group. I shouldn't be shocked, considering that page has actually ran off more women than it's retained.

 Peregrine wrote:
And Gamergate got much of its attention when it was picked up by the mainstream right-wing outrage machine and used as a tool in their ongoing anti-progressive crusade. It was a relatively minor event until mainstream conservative media figures, even ones who admitted to never playing games or even having contempt for gamers, started promoting it.

Yeah, which of the Goobiegabber trolls was standing in front of the UN? I can't recall.

Did she poop in your cornflakes or something?

So she got all the hate she got for being a huckster? I find it strange - the world is full of hucksters, but just this one inspires a gigantic online hate campaign that has lasted for years.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Did she poop in your cornflakes or something?

I absolutely loathe con artists. Consider it a grudge I hold from my military days when I saw them swarming to exploit young men or their young spouses and part them from their money and ruin them. The worst of which claimed to be retired veterans. Even worse were the ones that claimed to be doing something to make the lives of veterans, often wounded veterans, better. They are the absolute lowest form of filth on the planet.

And please, I'm not a wimp. I don't eat corn flakes like some wimp. I'm a Lucky Charms man.

Erm......k?

 Da Boss wrote:
So she got all the hate she got for being a huckster? I find it strange - the world is full of hucksters, but just this one inspires a gigantic online hate campaign that has lasted for years.

It's the tamest 'hate campaign' I've ever seen. Sure, some of these kids are seeing 'SJW's in my cereal!', but there were a lot of people who had solid, reasoned, and completely reasonable arguments.

And hey, "That thing you like is bigoted and you're a bigot for enjoying it" tends to generate a bit of dislike. And look at how you've painted them: "A hate campaign". It was bad enough these kids had to show pictures of themselves- POC and women- to prove it wasn't a 'white male hate mob'. Now, you dismiss any argument they have with 'othering' them or accusing them of being vile things. What kind of reaction do you expect from that?

I'm still waiting to see one arrest from these 'threats' that never seemed to manifest.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Erm......k?

Did she promise to give you a peepee touch or something?