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 Peregrine wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
Why they never made plastic DKoK I'll never know.

Because resin DKoK are superior?

To something that DOES NOT EXIST?

 John Prins wrote:
To something that DOES NOT EXIST?

Yep. Plastic is inherently worse as a medium for high-detail models like the current DKoK line. The only advantage it offers is price, and since I can already buy DKoK kits faster than I can paint them being able to save $5/squad is worthless to me.

 Peregrine wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
To something that DOES NOT EXIST?

Yep. Plastic is inherently worse as a medium for high-detail models like the current DKoK line.

If that's your only metric, I'd agree, though ease of clean-up and assembly in plastic is a huge plus. That said, I'm quite impressed with what GW has been able to do in plastics lately.

 Peregrine wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
To something that DOES NOT EXIST?

Yep. Plastic is inherently worse as a medium for high-detail models like the current DKoK line. The only advantage it offers is price, and since I can already buy DKoK kits faster than I can paint them being able to save $5/squad is worthless to me.

While this was true in the past, the current level of detail in plastic kits is as good as resin casts. Everything from last year's Death Guard onward has been exceptional in terms of quality and detail. I mean just look at these glorious sprues:



At that level of detail I can't see any guard regiments suffering from a remake in plastic.

Age of Sigmar plastic is incredible, too. Check out the new models in that range to see a good example of what GW can do these days.

 Irbis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I could see forge world stepping in here. although I'd not count on it. but it'd definatly be nice to see a kit for another guard regiment or two.

You realize they just killed their Elysian range and half of Solar Auxilia, yes?

But hey, at least we got that garbage FW Custodes range no one wanted instead of these lame IG humies, never mind they pointlessly duplicate plastics, look far worse (especially Valdor, hands down ugliest and least fluffy model FW produced in a decade, and that includes contradicting their own frakking concept art!), and now Custodes IA book killed Fires of Cyraxus release to add a cherry on top

I'm aware which is why I said I'd not count on it, BTW didn't FW put custodes out before GW did?

This is why ai want all the ork models updated. Any day now GW could just remove half our models.

When it comes to plastic vs resin. Saving money is good overall as more people can play (this should not be an exclusive elite upper middle class hobby..) and honestly unless you're big on the whole thing i can never tell the difference between plastic and resin. And on a tabletop or shelf wherd there are hundreds of models you can't see a huge difference.

Armageddon campaign is coming, Cadia is gone, both plastic guard ranges are over 10 years old and only 3 kits are required to give a whole new regiment specific product range (command, infantry, heavy weapon squad).

Imagine if there was another new range of model updates coming out aswell, maybe in green and related somehow to the Armageddon campaign, imagine if you could somehow bring both ranges out in one handy boxset.

Whats that i smell? opportunity?

Okay, it would be extremely funny and depressing if gw brought out a full steel legion collection with lots of new models and Orks get nothing new.

 lolman1c wrote:
Okay, it would be extremely funny and depressing if gw brought out a full steel legion collection with lots of new models and Orks get nothing new.

except that a steel legion release wouldn't be a ton of new kits, GW could do it in 3 kits, less if they where willing to make a dual or even triple kit.

kurhanik wrote:
Well damn, all those regiments added so much character to the guard...

Did they? I mean, for them to add character to an army, someone would need to own the models. I've never seen any of these models used by anyone who didn't already own them from 2nd edition. I don't think they shifted many of those for a while.

lolman1c wrote:Okay, it would be extremely funny and depressing if gw brought out a full steel legion collection with lots of new models and Orks get nothing new.

I would love a big Orks vs Steel Legion release, with new plastic Armageddon units, Yarrick, Ghazghkull, and some 'Ard Boyz.

AndrewGPaul wrote:

kurhanik wrote:
Well damn, all those regiments added so much character to the guard...

Did they? I mean, for them to add character to an army, someone would need to own the models. I've never seen any of these models used by anyone who didn't already own them from 2nd edition. I don't think they shifted many of those for a while.

Well, they sell less when they are put on webstore only for years on end - people forget that they are still sold. It is also just kind of a nice break from having every regiment be Cadian (or Catachan), but a different color.


Here's hoping this is a temporary thing and they'll come back, I honestly have had plans for using almost every one of them...

Honestly a big release of Ork and Guard kits would basically make my day.

Still funny how people are complaining about the loss of their army from the store yet many people on this forums were more than happy for GSC players to lose units they had made models for and used for years or happily telling us not to worry if half our ork hqs don't make it over to the codex. Not saying it was anyone here but still very interesting responses.

I guess it's good that I have already collected "enough" metal IG, which translates into more than I can reasonably use in a game.

A person in my Meta just got an email from GW stating that Mordians and Valhallans have been "retired" from the product lists.

edit: here it is. appearantly it was a general post but I don't know which platform it came from.

RIP brave soldiers of the Mordian Iron Guard. Your tiny metal bodies will be traded on eBay forever. Or until GW releases new plastic versions of you.

Kill two birds with one stone - Ork Guard!

Speaking of ebay, it's not like there haven't been tens of thousands of these sold over the years. I wanted to start an Inquisitorial band, and I loved the old metal stormtroopers. I thought, ah, shame I won't get to do that, but typing inquisitor stormtrooper into ebay shows these guys still get bandied around in large numbers even if it's quite expensive. Obviously there's probably not ten thousand inq stormtroopers floating around, or ever made, but for rank and file guardsmen there probably are.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
A person in my Meta just got an email from GW stating that Mordians and Valhallans have been "retired" from the product lists.

Were the Vostroyans and Steel Legion enquired about? Those two are marginally bigger ranges than the two stated.

No, only those 2 were mentioned by name. It doesn't mean that they haven't been "retired" but it doesn't mean that they have.

edit: I'll see if the person will allow me to post the entire message or not. Correction: not valhallan but voystrians are mentioned in the email. Sorry for the incorrect info.

Cool, cheers.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Speaking of ebay, it's not like there haven't been tens of thousands of these sold over the years. I wanted to start an Inquisitorial band, and I loved the old metal stormtroopers. I thought, ah, shame I won't get to do that, but typing inquisitor stormtrooper into ebay shows these guys still get bandied around in large numbers even if it's quite expensive. Obviously there's probably not ten thousand inq stormtroopers floating around, or ever made, but for rank and file guardsmen there probably are.

Actually, there probably were 10,000 metal Inquisitorial Stormtroopers made. I have a couple dozen of them, myself, and there are lots of people who got multiple squads. 500 players with 20 models each is not at all out of the question. Or even 1,000 players with a single squad of 10? Yeah, definitely 10,00 metal Inquistorial Stormtroopers were made.

Yeah, when you put it like that there's probably tons out there. Which means there's probably feth tons of metal guardsmen around.

While it would be cool to see plastic Steel Legion and so forth, it would be even better to see the generic (i.e., Cadian) IG updated to something a bit more in line with contemporary standards of proportions, detail, etc.

I really doubt, however, that eliminating the SKUs for these metal Guardsmen betokens any upcoming redesign or even new units for Astra Militarum.

Half this post is from people who never got around to buying stuff, now outraged they can't. Dudes, if you had ever gotten around to buying these elf dollies then they wouldn't have been retired in the first place. Unless you think it's because they have no masters left to make molds from all the metal produced in the last 20+ years... ^_~

That said, GW could have given a heads up about stock levels and being retired before just pulling the plug.

Counterpoint: some people were penniless when XYZ kit was in print and now that they have money to spend XYZ kit is OOP. This is why I have been buying up surviving WHFB kits since AoS launched. I guess in that same sense, people should kind of be on notice about things like metal Guardsmen even without GW saying, look these models we have been phasing out for years will not be available forever! When Shadow War came out, I immediately bought some Steel Legion and Vostroyan guys but luckily that is becauss I had some disposable income to ... er, invest.

 Manchu wrote:
Counterpoint: some people were penniless when XYZ kit was in print and now that they have money to spend XYZ kit is OOP. This is why I have been buying up surviving WHFB kits since AoS launched. I guess in that same sense, people should kind of be on notice about things like metal Guardsmen even without GW saying, look these models we have been phasing out for years will not be available forever! When Shadow War came out, I immediately bought some Steel Legion and Vostroyan guys but luckily that is becauss I had some disposable income to ... er, invest.

Yeah, I had to drop a painful amount of money on the FW last chance to buy, and when I've completed my army, I'm probably just going to start buying up half the old WHFB character models. There are some really great sculpts, and one day I might get into d&d, so why not come prepared? Plus I need fodder for the dakka unofficial painting comp, can't just submit raptor marines every month.

Yeah, but 20 years is a long time to be broke

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Counterpoint: some people were penniless when XYZ kit was in print and now that they have money to spend XYZ kit is OOP. This is why I have been buying up surviving WHFB kits since AoS launched. I guess in that same sense, people should kind of be on notice about things like metal Guardsmen even without GW saying, look these models we have been phasing out for years will not be available forever! When Shadow War came out, I immediately bought some Steel Legion and Vostroyan guys but luckily that is becauss I had some disposable income to ... er, invest.

Yeah, I had to drop a painful amount of money on the FW last chance to buy, and when I've completed my army, I'm probably just going to start buying up half the old WHFB character models. There are some really great sculpts, and one day I might get into d&d, so why not come prepared? Plus I need fodder for the dakka unofficial painting comp, can't just submit raptor marines every month.

Yeah, if they had had a last chance to buy with this stuff, I would have probably either spent a stupid amount on some side projects, or made some extremely hard choices. At the minimum, I would have nabbed a couple of Steel Legion HWT since that is the only thing I am really lacking with them. As it stands now, I'll probably just stick my nose into ebay once every month or two to see if anything I want is reasonable.