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that is what will happen to every dominating tournament list (same thing happened to ynarri+aeldari), is a pity non tournament players must pay the fee anyway....

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Annoying for all those Knight players with Castellan's having to redo their army lists because of the +100 Pts increase from the big FAQ. I can understand the invulnerable save maxing out at 4+ though.

What is everyone's thoughts?

Doesn't affect anyone playing pure knights as Castellen wasn't viable anyway, it's gone from soup only OP to soup only period.

It’s an overreaction.

The 4++ is a bit annoying but if I’m being objective probs fair. The points increase makes it a shelf warmer in a knight army. I’m not so clued up on guard to know if they can shave 100 points from a list. But at 704 points you’d be as well bringing a porphyrion

Gallant
Gallant
Porphyrion

Cadian Batallion
Graia Batallion

85 points for assassin is 2k on the nose

The 4++ is fine and good for the game, and something I’ve been suggesting for a while. Sure, it makes lone Knights easier to kill, but, at least now we don’t need to spend 3CP each turn on the Castellan.

Points wise, we all knew it was coming. Whether lists change, we’ll have to wait and see. It’s still going to put out a lot of damage and cause problems for people – people just need to decide on whether they can drop 100 points of Guard/

Yeah. I run the soup list, and agreed the Castellan was a bit OP. I think in typical GW fashion they went a bit to far. The 4++ max was probably all that is needed.

The points increase sucks, but I can drop a basilisk in my army and still keep it and not be to worried. So people running "the list" of Guard batt infantry + castellan + fill in what you like will still be seen.

Interestingly though, I don't see any changes to the Raven Strat.
Also I am suprised they didn't at least increase the act at Top Shelf strat either.

The Raven Strat is still 3CP. Was errata'd in the last round of faqs so isn't in magenta this time round.

What’s the best way to run a valiant in a lone super heavy detachment (doesn’t benefit from household).

Which Index were the FW Knights in?

And which are the best ones?

 JNAProductions wrote:
Which Index were the FW Knights in?

And which are the best ones?

The best ones are the Cerastus Lancer and Acastus Porphyrion. The Lancer is certainly not as good as it used to be though, since it was the only Knight that could get a 3++ in melee before. The Porphyrion is an 830 point model and costs 500 USD, but it's got firepower enough to make a Castellan look like a joke, is BS2, T9, 30 wounds. It's quite strong.

Time of madness wrote:
What’s the best way to run a valiant in a lone super heavy detachment (doesn’t benefit from household).

Finally got to try a couple games with one today. I would strongly suggest finding the points to get that thing a household trait as it really benefits from Hawkshroud (your flamer doesn't care about degrading, but all your other guns and more importantly, your movement does). It didn't make it past turn two in either game, though the second game it broke even before it died. The harpoon just bounced off of invulns both games. Based on these two games, I wouldn't even bother running a Valiant without some form of house trait. It really needs every special rule it can get to get the max value out of it since it is such a fire magnet.

Traitors pyre feels like an auto take, which kind of locks you into an Imperialis house, though the fire and advance house trait from Raven seems like it would be really good with it as well. Warlord trait is probably always going to be Ion Bulwark. Can't see myself taking the extra shield breaker missiles over the shoulder cannons.

I'm no longer as interested in taking two of them together. I got a lot of the value out of it both games from the explosion, so having them close enough to reinforce each other with the Hawkshroud strat is probably not going to work out too well for me when one blows. Thinking of bringing along a Gallant with it next game.

 Ideasweasel wrote:
It’s an overreaction.

The 4++ is a bit annoying but if I’m being objective probs fair. The points increase makes it a shelf warmer in a knight army. I’m not so clued up on guard to know if they can shave 100 points from a list. But at 704 points you’d be as well bringing a porphyrion

Gallant
Gallant
Porphyrion

Cadian Batallion
Graia Batallion

85 points for assassin is 2k on the nose

not sure why you still dont take the Castellian. t8 vs t9 isnt a big deal. 2 more wounds and bs2. not sure its worth 150+ points more. Still killing 2 tanks with the raven relic gun

 zedsdead wrote:

 Ideasweasel wrote:
It’s an overreaction.

The 4++ is a bit annoying but if I’m being objective probs fair. The points increase makes it a shelf warmer in a knight army. I’m not so clued up on guard to know if they can shave 100 points from a list. But at 704 points you’d be as well bringing a porphyrion

Gallant
Gallant
Porphyrion

Cadian Batallion
Graia Batallion

85 points for assassin is 2k on the nose

not sure why you still dont take the Castellian. t8 vs t9 isnt a big deal. 2 more wounds and bs2. not sure its worth 150+ points more. Still killing 2 tanks with the raven relic gun

Exactlly your uaing raven strategum and cawls wrath.
So your burning 3CP per shooting phase, Knights dont come with double digit CP. Your going to have 1 maybe 2 ahooting phases before you arw out of CP and the Castellen without CP is not worthwhile.

Also raven while great for a Castellen isn't a good house for a multi knights list either

 zedsdead wrote:

not sure why you still dont take the Castellian. t8 vs t9 isnt a big deal. 2 more wounds and bs2. not sure its worth 150+ points more. Still killing 2 tanks with the raven relic gun

Lascannons, plasma, melta, dark lances all get hit by T9. And with no 3++ anymore big AT weapons are likely taking field again.

2d3 shots is also lot better than 1d6 for shots and flat 6 is better than 3d3 damage. So all in all polyphorpion is lot more reliable. No rolling low for shots with volcano lance.

And no need for relic(can be used elsewhere) nor spending 3 CP to power up. Knight lists aren't swinging with CP unlike IG force with single castellan.

So, now that Castellan is 100 points more expensive. What do people think about the Valiant now? Will knight lists with Valiant start to pop up?

Eldenfirefly wrote:
So, now that Castellan is 100 points more expensive. What do people think about the Valiant now? Will knight lists with Valiant start to pop up?

Probably not. People will just use more Crusaders, the Krast Crusader w/ Headsman's Mark + First Knight was already pretty good, now it just looks even better.

Have I missed a knight that has the ability to cast or deny Psychic powers?

Or has GW just given knights a tactical objective that is inherently impossible to achieve?

Isn't that the generic objective rather than given specifically?

Anyway that's not too bad. Nowadays there's the drop 0-6 cards and many play "can't draw, redraw immediately" so it's no big deal to have that. And indeed can be advantage...

Maelstrom objectives are just a silly fun game type, you can't really expect it to be something that's very well thought out

I don’t know about you, but I’m certainly interested in the new Armigers that were on show yesterday and potentially being on sale at Warhammer Fest this weekend.

Looks like a Volkite/Plasma version with a claw and another double gun version that looks like it has all the shots.

Kdash wrote:
I don’t know about you, but I’m certainly interested in the new Armigers that were on show yesterday and potentially being on sale at Warhammer Fest this weekend.

Looks like a Volkite/Plasma version with a claw and another double gun version that looks like it has all the shots.

The all the shots one might be interesting, you don't happen to have a link do you?

Thr problem I have with the Volkite is it falls into a very overlapping position in 8th edition with the autocannons on a helverin.

That said I'd love to see some rules for the new atropos class knight.

Eldenfirefly wrote:
So, now that Castellan is 100 points more expensive. What do people think about the Valiant now? Will knight lists with Valiant start to pop up?

As some have said before the Crusader becomes a go to K ight in multi knight lists. As an addition to an AM list you still take him and run a brigade and battalion.

Kdash wrote:
I don’t know about you, but I’m certainly interested in the new Armigers that were on show yesterday and potentially being on sale at Warhammer Fest this weekend.

Looks like a Volkite/Plasma version with a claw and another double gun version that looks like it has all the shots.

I believe the first one is a mini Styrix type knight with a Volkite weapon and a siege claw with rad-cleanser and the second has dual lightning cannons. Basically armiger versions of the styrix and magaera in a way.

Ice_can wrote:

Kdash wrote:
I don’t know about you, but I’m certainly interested in the new Armigers that were on show yesterday and potentially being on sale at Warhammer Fest this weekend.

Looks like a Volkite/Plasma version with a claw and another double gun version that looks like it has all the shots.

The all the shots one might be interesting, you don't happen to have a link do you?

Thr problem I have with the Volkite is it falls into a very overlapping position in 8th edition with the autocannons on a helverin.

That said I'd love to see some rules for the new atropos class knight.

Sorry it took so long but this was in the new thread.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/775145.page#10441900

Hey guys

I've acquired two more questoris knights now. I'm late to the party I guess, but I'd like to know what's best 3 questoris knights list? Can soup with anything Imperial really. I've seen couple of 3 crusader lists going around, but I'm more interested in Crusader and two Gallants to have points for more soup ingredients.

Any thoughts on this? Planning to run Krast.

Hello.

And welcome to team Mech Warrior!

Do you play for fun or competitive? Cause 3 knights for fun is usually a bit controversial in a friendly game lol

I’ve had good success with both Krast and Taranis. It comes down to playstyle and what you mix them with.

Taranis is a very CP heavy house and I found SHD(6) + Bat(5) + Bat (5) + BF (3CP) {19CP} was only just enough

Krast is a better budget house and a Bat +SHD was just enough CP if I was careful

On Gallants. I love them, my favourite knight to play...but I can never seem to get them to work. Maybe it’s my meta or maybe I play them wrong but they just don’t seem to do nearly as much as a crusader does.

Run 3, bring a guard Batallion. All the best

 Fueli wrote:
Hey guys

I've acquired two more questoris knights now. I'm late to the party I guess, but I'd like to know what's best 3 questoris knights list? Can soup with anything Imperial really. I've seen couple of 3 crusader lists going around, but I'm more interested in Crusader and two Gallants to have points for more soup ingredients.

Any thoughts on this? Planning to run Krast.

Gallant and Crusader are probably the 2 best Questoris builds IMO so you should do well. Crusader + 2 Gallants will be around 1250 points (depending on options) so enough points for a battery battalion, even at 1500 points. I tend to alternate between Terryn and Raven but Krast looks good too for Gallants. I like relic Avenger (Endless Fury) on the Castellan +the Krast WL trait for LOTS of hits. "Blessed by the Sacristans" on a Gallants feet is great fun too for lots of stompy attacks. Probably some other combos but those spring immediately to mind.

It's a really sad indictment of 8th edition that every time someone asks how do I play knights the answer is always buy and play Guard.

Ideasweasel wrote:Hello.

And welcome to team Mech Warrior!

Do you play for fun or competitive? Cause 3 knights for fun is usually a bit controversial in a friendly game lol

I’ve had good success with both Krast and Taranis. It comes down to playstyle and what you mix them with.

Taranis is a very CP heavy house and I found SHD(6) + Bat(5) + Bat (5) + BF (3CP) {19CP} was only just enough

Krast is a better budget house and a Bat +SHD was just enough CP if I was careful

On Gallants. I love them, my favourite knight to play...but I can never seem to get them to work. Maybe it’s my meta or maybe I play them wrong but they just don’t seem to do nearly as much as a crusader does.

Run 3, bring a guard Batallion. All the best

I was already in team Mech Warrior, I play Tau too My group has regular tournament goers so knights shouldn't be a problem. The thing I like about Krast is the Headsman's Mark that buffs Crusaders shooting against vehicles/other Knights and their warlord trait First Knight allows him to reroll ones to hit. At the same time Krast household tradition buffs Gallants. So it should be good for both.

Karhedron wrote:

 Fueli wrote:
Hey guys

I've acquired two more questoris knights now. I'm late to the party I guess, but I'd like to know what's best 3 questoris knights list? Can soup with anything Imperial really. I've seen couple of 3 crusader lists going around, but I'm more interested in Crusader and two Gallants to have points for more soup ingredients.

Any thoughts on this? Planning to run Krast.

Gallant and Crusader are probably the 2 best Questoris builds IMO so you should do well. Crusader + 2 Gallants will be around 1250 points (depending on options) so enough points for a battery battalion, even at 1500 points. I tend to alternate between Terryn and Raven but Krast looks good too for Gallants. I like relic Avenger (Endless Fury) on the Castellan +the Krast WL trait for LOTS of hits. "Blessed by the Sacristans" on a Gallants feet is great fun too for lots of stompy attacks. Probably some other combos but those spring immediately to mind.

Yeah, those questoris knights are the most specialized so they tend to do best.I like the Endless Fury a lot (brrrrrrrrt) but I was thinking of Headsman's Mark. I can of course buy either with Heirloom of the Households. Speaking of, is it worth it to actually make all the knights characters? I can see Heroic Intervention being a thing, but probably not against more experienced players.

To me the biggest thing to watch for when you make a knight a chr isnt heroic intervention but those relics / units out there that give major bonuses when used vs a chr.

Like tzaangors, not very good vs knights but can actually hurt vs a knight chr thanks to rerolls. Or the khorne demon sword relic, becomes just as good as the axe vs knight chrs.

 Fueli wrote:
Hey guys

I've acquired two more questoris knights now. I'm late to the party I guess, but I'd like to know what's best 3 questoris knights list? Can soup with anything Imperial really. I've seen couple of 3 crusader lists going around, but I'm more interested in Crusader and two Gallants to have points for more soup ingredients.

Any thoughts on this? Planning to run Krast.

I just took 5th place at a major GT (and got top Imperial player, only Chaos and Xenos above me) with a 3 Krast Crusader, 2 Tank Commander list. My cheesy army of doom - https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/1009097-.html

I posted a write up of the list, and how my games went on reddit here https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/bl9y2q/40k_gt_battle_report_canadian_tabletop/

Dropping a Crusader for a Gallant is definitely an option, but really what would that 100 extra points buy me? A Wyvern for anti-infantry is about it. I'd rather have the extra firepower from the 3rd Crusader.