Switch Theme:

US & NA Politics Thread  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in nl
Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc





 BaronIveagh wrote:
 Disciple of Fate wrote:
But then are you going to repeat it over and over each time they rebuild?


No, simple solution is to set it up so the Philippines 'exercises' their legal territorial claims before the Chinese can land replacements. Remember that China lost the legal case for those islands already, and responded by refusing to accept the results of the case. the Filipinos would be merely exercising their legal rights in the wake of a terrible natural disaster.

Technically the Philippines can't claim them as territory either, because the Arbitration Tribunal ruling made clear that many features claimed don't qualify for territorial claims. Most of these islands aren't islands, they don't project any territory, they only fall inside the Philippine EEZ. You would basically need a permanent occupation, because China can just employ freedom of navigation to come back the second you leave. I remember China lost, I also remember they didn't give a feth and then the idiot tough guy Duterte also took a gak on the Arbitration, weakening the Philippine win. The Duterte administration is going to absolutely ridiculous lengths to deny the Chinese are doing anything wrong...

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/08/04 18:34:57


 
   
Made in jp
[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer






Somewhere in south-central England.

I kinda wish Trump would nuke NK.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
Made in gb
Assassin with Black Lotus Poison





Bristol

Remember when people had to vote for Trump because Hillary would start a war with Syria?

Now we have a Trumpist here saying that he will have to go to war with North Korea.

So war with a country with no access to atomic weapons was terrible and must be prevented at all costs but war with a nation with nuclear weapons must happen.

The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.

Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
 
   
Made in es
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain




Vigo. Spain.

War and violence is only negative when is directed against the ones I dont want.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
Made in nl
Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces






 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I could see him shouting, "Nu Pogody!" Some day he'll get that rabbit.

Nu Amerika, pogodi!
This must be why Putin recommended every Russian to watch that show:
https://ria.ru/society/20170403/1491345432.html

Error 404: Interesting signature not found

 
   
Made in us
5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)





Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I kinda wish Trump would nuke NK.



No... seriously KK... wut?!?

Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!


 
   
Made in es
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain




Vigo. Spain.

We would have Fallout 76 before 14 of November so I'm all for it.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
Made in us
Lord of the Fleet





Seneca Nation of Indians

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I kinda wish Trump would nuke NK.


You know, in a twisted sort of way, I'd like to see that too. It'd justify all this damn work I've been doing.


Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
 
   
Made in us
Grisly Ghost Ark Driver





4th Obelisk On The Right

I would be interested if NATO would ask Trump why they should get involved.

 
   
Made in us
Shas'ui with Bonding Knife






And to nobody's surprise, the voter fraud commission did not find widespread fraud. Almost like it's never been a problem...

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/08/05 03:33:09


DQ:90S++G++M----B--I+Pw40k07+D+++A+++/areWD-R+DM+


bittersashes wrote:One guy down at my gaming club swore he saw an objective flag take out a full unit of Bane Thralls.
 
   
Made in ca
Longtime Dakkanaut





tneva82 wrote:
So according to un report not only nk continues missile production they also by-pass sanctions so well they have practically zero effect.

Good job Trump! Good job...


I have been saying on here for sometime that there will some kind of war in North Korea. I never, ever, felt that Trump had/has any chance of disarming NK through diplomacy, but just has to go through the motions to appease everyone who wants to give diplomacy a chance. As Senator Graham quoted him, “If there will be a war it will be fought over there than over here.”

Continuing the convo in the Jordan Peterson thread that was closed, I have to be honest here I don’t know much about the guy, but I have watched a few YouTube videos and could see whatever point he was making. I can’t figure out though not only why he is controversial, but why anyone really cares what he has to say. Anyone want to sum that up?

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2018/08/05 03:41:02


 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





Chicago, Illinois



I posted a similar article.

Of course they didn't.... WHere would it be?

Continuing the convo in the Jordan Peterson thread that was closed, I have to be honest here I don’t know much about the guy, but I have watched a few YouTube videos and could see whatever point he was making. I can’t figure out though not only why he is controversial, but why anyone really cares what he has to say. Anyone want to sum that up?


He uses dog whistles

Many of his points are not very salient like "All Atheists believe in god."

And many are based on assumption. He also works for PragerU who are the worst video series ever developed that have produced such classics like "Why firemen should be privatized." or "why public schools are terrible, you should go charter."

He constantly knocks on educated liberals and cherry picks discussions.

I used to follow him but I've never really done it seriously. He seems erm... Crazy.

https://medium.com/s/story/a-field-guide-to-jordan-petersons-political-arguments-312153eac99a

He also ignores criticism, gaslights, uses stereotypes and the slippery slope fallacy is one of his favorites for debate.

Often taking an extremely unlikely case and take it to a further extreme.

So erm.. Don't listen to him.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2018/08/05 06:08:25


From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war. 
   
Made in us
Last Remaining Whole C'Tan






Pleasant Valley, Iowa



Sounds like fake news to me.


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.

 Flinty wrote:
The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
 
   
Made in us
[DCM]
Crazed Bloodkine




Baltimore, Maryland

 Asherian Command wrote:
And many are based on assumption. He also works for PragerU who are the worst video series ever developed that have produced such classics like "Why firemen should be privatized." or "why public schools are terrible, you should go charter.".


Got a link to either of those classics videos?

I know they have a public sector v. Private sector video that explicitly states fire + police services make sense to be in the public sector, but the main focus of that particular videos ire is the USPS and its inefficiencies. Would be interesting if they had a video that ran counterpoint to this:
Spoiler:




I also know they have a video that touts the sucess of charter schools and how its led to much needed improvements (in some cases) in public schools, now that they have competition. Is this the video you are thinking of:

Spoiler:

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2018/08/05 06:49:42


"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
 
   
Made in us
Last Remaining Whole C'Tan






Pleasant Valley, Iowa

It's interesting that they always talk about privatizing the USPS, but never the Pentagon, despite the fact there is a clear and unambiguous direction in the constitution to run a postal service and sweet feth-all about a gigantic, permanent standing army.


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.

 Flinty wrote:
The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
 
   
Made in gb
[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego





Canterbury

http://thehill.com/policy/international/russia/400405-russia-appoints-steven-seagal-as-special-representative-on


Russia appoints actor Steven Seagal as 'special representative'

The Russian Foreign Ministry said Saturday that it has appointed American actor Steven Seagal as a “special representative” for Russian-American humanitarian relations.

“The task is to promote the further development of Russian-American relations in the humanitarian sphere, including interaction in the field of culture, art, public and youth exchanges and more,” the ministry said on its official Facebook page, according to a CNN translation of the post.

The ministry also said the position is comparable to that of a United Nations goodwill ambassador.

Seagal became a Russian citizen in 2016. He is reportedly close with Russian President Vladimir Putin and attended his swearing-in ceremony in May.

Ukraine banned Seagal from the country last year, deeming him a national security threat.

The actor has recently faced accusations of rape and sexual assault. He has denied the allegations.

The Los Angeles Police Department reportedly opened an investigation into Seagal over the sexual assault allegations earlier this year.




interaction in the field of culture, art, public and youth exchanges


'cause the kids are down with washed up mediocre 80s action stars facing sexual assault charges right ?

..still, gets him on Fox eh ?

The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

He was great in Executive Decision.

   
Made in gb
[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego





Canterbury

..unlike your current POT.. ahh you see where I'm going there

The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
Made in us
Last Remaining Whole C'Tan






Pleasant Valley, Iowa

What an American success story - from running over a puppy with a tank to selling our your country as an apologist for a hostile foreign power. Shine on, Steven Seagal.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.

 Flinty wrote:
The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
 
   
Made in us
Nasty Nob




Crescent City Fl..

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I kinda wish Trump would nuke NK.


I'm not for that at all.
If I was planning to defeat NK. I'd spend the money on food I could simply drop onto their country and see i that sorted things out. Imagine starving people suddenly surrounded by more food than they have seen in their lives. That might just topple their government due to lack of interest.

The rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal.

Remember kids, Games Workshop needs you more than you need them.  
   
Made in be
Longtime Dakkanaut





So, who are these QAnons, in the end ? Sounds like some usual conspiracy theory, but apparently it looks like it's spreading in the Right Wing sphere.




This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/08/05 11:36:31


 
   
Made in us
Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot





 Sarouan wrote:
So, who are these QAnons, in the end ? Sounds like some usual conspiracy theory, but apparently it looks like it's spreading in the Right Wing sphere.






No need to be redundant. :p

Their whole deal is that Trump's...everything is supposedly an act, and he's working with Mueller, who's actually investigating Clinton/the Deep State/the 'Globalist' conspiracy/fill it in, something something pizzagate and the left wing is all a child trafficking cult, so on and so forth. The source on that is someone supposedly posting bits and pieces of information from inside Trump's administration, but they can't say too much or it'll reveal their identity. So they have to post vague, cryptic phrases that the conspiracy followers can dissect for hidden meaning, like someone poring over a vague teaser from GW or one of those 'the Boom of Revelations says that the world ends next month on the twenty-eighth' prophecies. Then, when something vaguely related to the 'source's word salad happens, they can feel super-smart for figuring out the code.

It's clearly nuts, so it's obviously going to play well with the Trump crowd.
   
Made in nl
Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces






 Ouze wrote:
What an American success story - from running over a puppy with a tank to selling our your country as an apologist for a hostile foreign power. Shine on, Steven Seagal.

Not hostile.
Russia is not hostile to the US, just really annoyed. Turning hostile could be a next step in the relation, but it is an escalation both sides are trying to avoid.

Error 404: Interesting signature not found

 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





Chicago, Illinois

 nels1031 wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
And many are based on assumption. He also works for PragerU who are the worst video series ever developed that have produced such classics like "Why firemen should be privatized." or "why public schools are terrible, you should go charter.".


Got a link to either of those classics videos?

I know they have a public sector v. Private sector video that explicitly states fire + police services make sense to be in the public sector, but the main focus of that particular videos ire is the USPS and its inefficiencies. Would be interesting if they had a video that ran counterpoint to this:
Spoiler:




I also know they have a video that touts the sucess of charter schools and how its led to much needed improvements (in some cases) in public schools, now that they have competition. Is this the video you are thinking of:

Spoiler:




Except charter schools are not successful. Neither is police or firemen privatization. The whole idea of someone not arriving even when a house is on fire is hilarious and stupid.

Charter schools are not the be all end all, this assumption that public schools are not good is very nit picky, the people who support these charter schools like devos and several powerful figureheads want to because they see public school as a threat to their money making so of course they will demonize it because it benefits them to do so.

Police and Fire are social institutions they are jobs we need to have. Privatizing them is bad for many reasons and also because nowhere else in the world do we have privatized police and fire.

PragerU is based on assumptions, fighting distinictions and taking things to extremes, they aren't smart, they aren't intelligent often miscontruding or nitpicking quotes or just making things up.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-myth-of-charter-schools/

The whole thing behind it is that these things are made up. They are not as bad as people in the documentary says they are. Privitization does not lead to innovation in all cases. Often times it leads to competeing prices or just inflation of price to make money (ALA healthcare)

We've seen that abused over, and over again.

PragerU is full of itself. (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dennis_Prager)

Its debates are often nonsensical, they came out against global warming as a concept.... Heres some highlights :

Spoiler:








Oh and my favorite.....
Spoiler:





oh can't forget this :
Spoiler:



Sooooooo yeah they are CRAZY including jordan peterson who said that oh famous quote about equality.

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2018/08/05 16:58:43


From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war. 
   
Made in gb
Courageous Grand Master




-

 Ouze wrote:
What an American success story - from running over a puppy with a tank to selling our your country as an apologist for a hostile foreign power. Shine on, Steven Seagal.


It's worse than that, if you've watched his more recent films.

Seagal's great strength was always his hand speed, but he doesn't even do that anymore.

He has a stuntman to do the quick hands, and the camera totally zooms in to hide the fact that it ain't Seagal.

"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd 
   
Made in ca
Longtime Dakkanaut




 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
What an American success story - from running over a puppy with a tank to selling our your country as an apologist for a hostile foreign power. Shine on, Steven Seagal.


It's worse than that, if you've watched his more recent films.

Seagal's great strength was always his hand speed, but he doesn't even do that anymore.

He has a stuntman to do the quick hands, and the camera totally zooms in to hide the fact that it ain't Seagal.


He also has a body double to run and climb stairs because he can't do that anymore. He got too fat and has joint problems. He's a very sad thing even amongst washed-up has-been. His mind isn't too great either.
   
Made in us
[DCM]
Crazed Bloodkine




Baltimore, Maryland

 Asherian Command wrote:
Neither is police or firemen privatization. The whole idea of someone not arriving even when a house is on fire is hilarious and stupid.


Who said this?

Police and Fire are social institutions they are jobs we need to have. Privatizing them is bad for many reasons and also because nowhere else in the world do we have privatized police and fire.


Again, provide a link where they say that fire and police should be privatized. Far as I can tell, they've never said that. I'd happily concede the point, but you've provided nothing that says that they have called for a privatization of fire and police. I have seen no PragerU video entitled "Why firemen should be privatized".

Except charter schools are not successful


I'd say that's not correct to lump them all as unsuccessful. Some are, some aren't. Same as public schools. What the video talked about was that sometimes charter schools provide opportunity for folks in poorly run school systems to escape that system. And in some cases force public and even private schools to up their game. That's a net benefit for students. The rapid growth of charter schools is a testament to some element of success. There are pro's and con's for sure, but to call them "not successful" is a stretch. They have no video entitled, as you claim, "Why public schools are terrible, you should go charter".

And Rationalwiki? Really?

I think alot of your criticisms of PragerU stem from them just having beliefs that don't mesh with yours.



"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka





Denison, Iowa

 Ouze wrote:
It's interesting that they always talk about privatizing the USPS, but never the Pentagon, despite the fact there is a clear and unambiguous direction in the constitution to run a postal service and sweet feth-all about a gigantic, permanent standing army.



It doesn't say there must be, or even should be a Post Office. It just guarantees the rights to be able to open post offices.
   
Made in nl
Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc





PragerU has its biases and issues. Their history videos/videos including history tend to include mistakes and intentionally misleading or ignoring information that offers a more objective approach. It has a clear political slant.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/08/05 20:14:55


Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
1750 pts Blood Specters
2000 pts Imperial Fists
6000 pts Disciples of Fate
3500 pts Peridia Prime
2500 pts Prophets of Fate
Lizardmen 3000 points Tlaxcoatl Temple-City
Tomb Kings 1500 points Sekhra (RIP) 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka





Denison, Iowa



Are you implying this ISN'T very common these days?

Journalism across the board, on both political ends, need to cut the opinions and unbiasedly report more unfiltered facts.
   
 
Forum Index » Off-Topic Forum
Go to: