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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

B - The release date of codex has absolutely no bearing on how inspired (or not) a codex is.

You really believe that our 7th edition codex would have been just as poor if it had come nearer the end of 7th?
I

Because the Ghazghkull supplement was so great? Yes I do.

You mean the second one?
I kinda wonder some times, So I got both book together. But I didn't grasp the Green tide, it seemed the opposite of good to me in the beginning. But I do wonder if I would have had more fun from the start if I had understood just how strong it was from the start.
The second one was just depressing. I hadn't thought about either of them in some time. You make a fair point.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
See point B above. No one is asking for a 'quick, low quality codex'. Poor argument is poor.

You literally posted on the other thread you want a low-quality broken as feth codex as long as it's OP. You are the worst type of gamer GW should take advice from.

Have you already forgotten the amount of time it took GW to do other codexes in past editions that were absolute garbage?

Yeah, I'm done arguing with to you. You are flip-flopping on your arguments however it fits your opinion. Either past matters or it doesn't. For you it matters whenever it fits your argument and is irrelevant whenever it doesn't.

You just want to be right, no matter the arguments.

Might as well argue with peregrine about forgeworld.

geargutz wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/1575682476085719/photos/a.1576243776029589.1073741828.1575682476085719/1905700039750626/?type=3&theater

been noticing this guy on the main post on the 40k facebook page (jerome swensen). hes been posting everyday for about a week asking if there's going to be any ork related news coming up. so far has only gotten a single non answer from the facebook guys (said he would keep posting until gw posts an article or something).(if you want to look at all of the the guys posts youll have to make sure the facebook comments are set to "new" and then you can see his comments going back about a week).

so, what you guys think? is it worth hounding the Facebook guys with constant questions? would it be worth while for us to try joining in?

personally im not sure of what to think of this. this is on the facebook page so no telling if these questions will ever be relayed to GW proper, but its much more public and easier for the community to see there are many who are wanting to know about the greenskinz. in the past many here on dakka dakka have said to "email GW" or something like that, maybe instead of emails that can easily be mass trashed we can try flooding the main facebook post with our detest of "why no ork news" (of course if we do this it would be best to be civil). who knows, maybe gw might cave in and say something.

Dude... I organised an entire waagh where lots of people sent letters and models to gw. We got nothing, not even a wink. Was worth doing it though, even if it was just for our own mental health


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Tyel wrote:
If they were going to release a decent range of Ork models there is no real reason not to show them. I am therefore very cynical on a significant re-vamp unless you are moving into 2019.

I know GW have always been concerned about "if we show future plastic crack, people won't buy the current plastic crack" but the record performance would indicate being more open, and therefore generating hype, is the way to go.

Also I am not convinced it takes time to issue a "high quality codex". Have a few solid chapter tactics, stratagems, warlord traits etc, dramatically reduce the cost of almost all shooting units (maybe not KMKs) and increase their damage output where points reductions don't help (see Burnas) and there you go.

I know a FB team member kinda siad it was this year. Someone said "I would be amazed if the Ork codex comes out before Christmas" and the fb member said "prepare to be amazed".


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 Jidmah wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
See point B above. No one is asking for a 'quick, low quality codex'. Poor argument is poor.

You literally posted on the other thread you want a low-quality broken as feth codex as long as it's OP. You are the worst type of gamer GW should take advice from.

Have you already forgotten the amount of time it took GW to do other codexes in past editions that were absolute garbage?

Yeah, I'm done arguing with to you. You are flip-flopping on your arguments however it fits your opinion. Either past matters or it doesn't. For you it matters whenever it fits your argument and is irrelevant whenever it doesn't.

You just want to be right, no matter the arguments.

Might as well argue with peregrine about forgeworld.

Or maybe his views are changing and developing as he debates and learns about new arguments. Heck, my opinions change every dya bssed on the arguments here and if people manage to debate well enough to give me a new view of things.

 Jidmah wrote:
You literally posted on the other thread you want a low-quality broken as feth codex as long as it's OP. You are the worst type of gamer GW should take advice from.

You're going to have to back up those wild statements with some actual evidence Jidmah. Since it's in the other thread, you care to quote it here? Or are you making stuff up/misinterpreting things again?

 Jidmah wrote:
Yeah, I'm done arguing with to you. You are flip-flopping on your arguments however it fits your opinion. Either past matters or it doesn't. For you it matters whenever it fits your argument and is irrelevant whenever it doesn't.

You just want to be right, no matter the arguments.

Might as well argue with peregrine about forgeworld.

Convenient. Do you always leave discussions when you can't respond and attack the person you're discussing with?

<Removed - Rule #1 people..>

Okay, calm down now. Let's not start another fight.

 lolman1c wrote:

geargutz wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/1575682476085719/photos/a.1576243776029589.1073741828.1575682476085719/1905700039750626/?type=3&theater

been noticing this guy on the main post on the 40k facebook page (jerome swensen). hes been posting everyday for about a week asking if there's going to be any ork related news coming up. so far has only gotten a single non answer from the facebook guys (said he would keep posting until gw posts an article or something).(if you want to look at all of the the guys posts youll have to make sure the facebook comments are set to "new" and then you can see his comments going back about a week).

so, what you guys think? is it worth hounding the Facebook guys with constant questions? would it be worth while for us to try joining in?

personally im not sure of what to think of this. this is on the facebook page so no telling if these questions will ever be relayed to GW proper, but its much more public and easier for the community to see there are many who are wanting to know about the greenskinz. in the past many here on dakka dakka have said to "email GW" or something like that, maybe instead of emails that can easily be mass trashed we can try flooding the main facebook post with our detest of "why no ork news" (of course if we do this it would be best to be civil). who knows, maybe gw might cave in and say something.

Dude... I organised an entire waagh where lots of people sent letters and models to gw. We got nothing, not even a wink. Was worth doing it though, even if it was just for our own mental health

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Your mail in was at least funny.

Pestering them every day is very rude. It will become very annoying very fast and not just to the GW FB crew but to the rest of us who follow them as well.
Some people on line are just acting like demanding children. (Granted some of them are very likely just children... )

Dude, we're ork players. None of us are below 18... because we haven't had a good codex for 18 years.

Note for the non-ork. If you're going to argue with orks (and likely most ork players) the only way to win is to be a bigger git than the ork you're fightin.

So you gotta shout the loudest and be the most bombastic and shouty and big! Once they seez how big and mighty you are they'll follow!
And if not you it-em with your slugga then shoot them with the otter end of it!

Or, if you're not bigger, then be smarter. Tell him you're making him a cool cyborg eye and then when he wakes up tell him you put a bomb in his head and will trigger it if he doesn't follow you. That's what some Orks do...

 Overread wrote:
Note for the non-ork. If you're going to argue with orks (and likely most ork players) the only way to win is to be a bigger git than the ork you're fightin.

So you gotta shout the loudest and be the most bombastic and shouty and big! Once they seez how big and mighty you are they'll follow!
And if not you it-em with your slugga then shoot them with the otter end of it!

Haha. All pictures of me of me are taken with a fisheye lens...

Other than the arguement proving how quick Orks are to scrap over everything earlier....

It's most likely that we'll start seeing stuff from GW regarding Orks immediately before the release. I mean we didn't see anything for Kill Teams between the initial release and the teaser "faction focus" articles leading up to the release.

So no news just means "not yet" not "not at all".

I mean we're talking Orks, not Sisters here. You know, one of the most regularly updated armies in the game (other than Marines and Tyranids)?

My hope is that the later release will keep Orks from falling flat like the early edition codexes seem to be doing right now. But then again anything is possible for GW...

 lolman1c wrote:
Dude, we're ork players. None of us are below 18... because we haven't had a good codex for 18 years.

Funny part is, that's not even that much of hyperbole.

 ClockworkZion wrote:



I mean we're talking Orks, not Sisters here. You know, one of the most regularly updated armies in the game (other than Marines and Tyranids)?

Youre joking right? Weve had one codex in the last decade and it was gak. Our model line is one of the oldest in the game

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

B - The release date of codex has absolutely no bearing on how inspired (or not) a codex is.

You really believe that our 7th edition codex would have been just as poor if it had come nearer the end of 7th?
I

Because the Ghazghkull supplement was so great? Yes I do.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ghaz Supplement 1, Ghaz supplement 2, our new flyer and the codex itself, all hot garbage, spaced out over almost the entire edition

Yeah it doesn't matter when GW releases a codex, its is completely dependent upon who wrote it. Right now we have Space Marine Fan boys writing our codex so they can feel super awesome when they beat up our Waaaaghs

 Billagio wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:



I mean we're talking Orks, not Sisters here. You know, one of the most regularly updated armies in the game (other than Marines and Tyranids)?

Youre joking right? Weve had one codex in the last decade and it was gak. Our model line is one of the oldest in the game

Is our model line the oldest? The warbuggy and wartrakk might be the oldest still being sold. Other than that, while a lot of our stuff is old and finecast that can also be said of many other factions.

SemperMortis wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

B - The release date of codex has absolutely no bearing on how inspired (or not) a codex is.

You really believe that our 7th edition codex would have been just as poor if it had come nearer the end of 7th?
I

Because the Ghazghkull supplement was so great? Yes I do.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ghaz Supplement 1, Ghaz supplement 2, our new flyer and the codex itself, all hot garbage, spaced out over almost the entire edition

Yeah it doesn't matter when GW releases a codex, its is completely dependent upon who wrote it. Right now we have Space Marine Fan boys writing our codex so they can feel super awesome when they beat up our Waaaaghs

Yeah that's why systematically every edition later codexes are more powerfull than the ones before. Yup.

Orks are exception and note they got their 7th ed codex among first which actually proves the point. Bolt on supplement/=codex similarly ig got codex early in 7th ed and was weak. Necrons game, design style changed and broke it but some more codes and suddenly necrons appeared meek. 8th ed marines got codex early and now there's basically no really competive marine codex except for few units.

tneva82 wrote:


Yeah that's why systematically every edition later codexes are more powerfull than the ones before. Yup.

Orks are exception and note they got their 7th ed codex among first which actually proves the point. Bolt on supplement/=codex similarly ig got codex early in 7th ed and was weak. Necrons game, design style changed and broke it but some more codes and suddenly necrons appeared meek. 8th ed marines got codex early and now there's basically no really competive marine codex except for few units.

Semper is entirely correct.

Also here in the real world Space Marine players are still winning tournaments left and right. Despite having the first codex. Despite so many players claiming otherwise.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

tneva82 wrote:


Yeah that's why systematically every edition later codexes are more powerfull than the ones before. Yup.

Orks are exception and note they got their 7th ed codex among first which actually proves the point. Bolt on supplement/=codex similarly ig got codex early in 7th ed and was weak. Necrons game, design style changed and broke it but some more codes and suddenly necrons appeared meek. 8th ed marines got codex early and now there's basically no really competive marine codex except for few units.

Semper is entirely correct.

Also here in the real world Space Marine players are still winning tournaments left and right. Despite having the first codex. Despite so many players claiming otherwise.

Maybe they are but it's not because they have a super strong point and click codex. the "lol all codices are weak to make Space Marines look good" arguement makes no sense, unless you think eldar are space marines or something

Guys, Space Marines arn't strong... Ultramarines and Ravens are strong. I play Imperial Fist and I haven't won a game with them in ages! XD

 lolman1c wrote:
Guys, Space Marines arn't strong... Ultramarines and Ravens are strong. I play Imperial Fist and I haven't won a game with them in ages! XD

Imperial fists are in that awkward position where their chapter tactic revolves around a core mechanic thats not all that great this edition. if cover imposed a -1 to hit and all those raven guard style -1 to hit abilities where classed as cover IFs would be a pretty good "anti-meta" CT

BrianDavion wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
Guys, Space Marines arn't strong... Ultramarines and Ravens are strong. I play Imperial Fist and I haven't won a game with them in ages! XD

Imperial fists are in that awkward position where their chapter tactic revolves around a core mechanic thats not all that great this edition. if cover imposed a -1 to hit and all those raven guard style -1 to hit abilities where classed as cover IFs would be a pretty good "anti-meta" CT

Also, might have something to do with me being a fluff marines player not a competitive one. My main army is 15 marines, 10 primaris and 5 plasma dudes. My chapter is a imperial marines successor chapter so I stick to what tactics and units they use in lore. Also, my warlord is a chaplain. XD

So where#s last big tournament(not some lockal 15 guys one) that had big marine part? About only one you see is slamquinus and 15 scouts.sometimes lone guillimann. Whee

Yesterday I saw in a Ork FB group DaOrks40K is whining about our codex not being out yet and his fears that Gw can't give us a good codex. This whining seems to have become the new trend. I decided to just leave the group as this thread of his has grown and I don't see it going away, as a topic trend there. Anyone else leaving groups for the same reason?
In his last battle report he sounded completely depressed about, his list the army he was facing and playing a game. I'm considering unsubscribing from hi channel as well.
Not sure if this is off topic or not, seems relate to me but I could be wrong.

Thats not relevant at all, no.

 warhead01 wrote:
Yesterday I saw in a Ork FB group DaOrks40K is whining about our codex not being out yet and his fears that Gw can't give us a good codex. This whining seems to have become the new trend. I decided to just leave the group as this thread of his has grown and I don't see it going away, as a topic trend there. Anyone else leaving groups for the same reason?
In his last battle report he sounded completely depressed about, his list the army he was facing and playing a game. I'm considering unsubscribing from hi channel as well.
Not sure if this is off topic or not, seems relate to me but I could be wrong.

I've taken to blocking people here on the forum if they show no ability to say anything but negative constantly. Anyone who decides that their only contirubtion to any conversation is to toss muck on someone elses excitement or ability to look for a silver lining is gross and I want no part it what they have to say.

Looks like both of you are being pretty negative. Let's stay on topic.

 warhead01 wrote:
Yesterday I saw in a Ork FB group DaOrks40K is whining about our codex not being out yet and his fears that Gw can't give us a good codex. This whining seems to have become the new trend. I decided to just leave the group as this thread of his has grown and I don't see it going away, as a topic trend there. Anyone else leaving groups for the same reason?
In his last battle report he sounded completely depressed about, his list the army he was facing and playing a game. I'm considering unsubscribing from hi channel as well.
Not sure if this is off topic or not, seems relate to me but I could be wrong.

I honestly don't care about the waiting aspect, hell, we've waiting since 4th edition for a decent codex so another 2-4 months is nothing. But I will be seriously pissed, to the point where I stop playing if our new codex is hot garbage. So its not so much whining as just coming to terms with the reality of the situation. orkz have been arguably one of the worst armies since late 5th edition and our 7th edition codex was again arguably the worst of the entire edition. As to the fear that GW can't do orkz right? Well, serious question as I don't know the answer, but how many other armies in 7th edition had 2 Supplements, not campaign books, I am talking about the supplements. We had 2 and neither was worth a damn. We also got 5 new units/models. Gork/Morkanauts, Mek Gunz, Wazbom and Flash Gitz, now of those, how many were worth buying for game play not design? Mek Gunz, that is it. So yeah, I can honestly believe GW doesn't know how to do orkz.

Da40kOrks has been pretty positive in the videos I've seen. That last battle report he did was pretty negative, but he put up a note at the end that said "Forgive the saltyness. This game was no fun." I'm not going to unsubscribe over one video that was angry, especially when he acknowledges that in the video. I'm not part of whatever Facebook group he was complaining on, so I don't know what he said. Excessive whining is bad, but considering how positive he seemed to be in the past (at least in his videos) I wonder if it says something that he is complaining now?

I think that with the rapid release of codexes GW created an expectation when they announced that Orks and Wolves were next. That lead to a massive buildup of hype. Then when they followed that up with months of not only no book release, but more importantly no news it left many Ork players who had let themselves get hyped up with feelings of of disappointment and frustration. It's normal for unfulfilled expectations to make people feel angry, even if those expectations weren't logical or fair to begin with. I think that's why there's been a sharp increase in complaining from Ork players over the past couple months. Add in the total lack of official news and things like GSC getting model previews but not Orks and it's to be expected that rumors and paranoia are going to start increasing.

It could be fair to say that people shouldn't have gotten hyped and built up expectations, and that people should just ignore all news that isn't directly from the horse's mouth. I think there's truth in that. On the other hand I think GW could have easily avoided all of this negativity from much of the Ork community through better communication. I also think that they still can easily squelch most of it just by giving people a little bit of news.

Hopefully the above didn't sound too negative. I'm optimistic about the Ork codex. I've been both scolded about being too whiny about Orks and accused of being a pollyanna about Orks. I chalk it up to communication on the Internet being difficult.

 TedNugent wrote:
Looks like both of you are being pretty negative. Let's stay on topic.

Isn't this a chat thread?

It’s not the wait, it is rather lack of attention. So many spotlights and hype for precious codexes, yet for ours we are getting dead silence for 2 months. One thing that still is giving me hope is that wolves are also info starving, so maybe it is something super major for both of codexes?

 JawRippa wrote:
It’s not the wait, it is rather lack of attention. So many spotlights and hype for precious codexes, yet for ours we are getting dead silence for 2 months. One thing that still is giving me hope is that wolves are also info starving, so maybe it is something super major for both of codexes?

could be or maybe it's just not the time and we're currently dealing with big summer box set releases. I think Ork players right now need to temper their expectations because they could hurt themselves come release, if come release they get an amazing codex... and thats all I fear Ork players are going to focus on the "NO NEW STUFF?! BETRAYAL" aspect.