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Bad Moons article is up and confirmed the all-but-confirmed re-roll 1s trait. No warlord traits or stratagems shown sadly. Stompa looks much shootier and fixier but still degrades really fast and has four wound brackets with rapidly degrading WS. Gorkanaut KMK changed to a much better KMZappa.

If it's on the last bracket, park it on a mek shop, fix 3 HP to and hope for T9

xlDuke wrote:
Bad Moons article is up and confirmed the all-but-confirmed re-roll 1s trait. No warlord traits or stratagems shown sadly. Stompa looks much shootier and fixier but still degrades really fast and has four wound brackets with rapidly degrading WS. Gorkanaut KMK changed to a much better KMZappa.

I'm just worried they'll think the extra shooting is enough and leave it at nearly 1000 points :/

Has there been any word on whether the Start Collecting box is being redone to include an HQ/ the Painboy being moved back to the HQ slot?

 DrGiggles wrote:
Has there been any word on whether the Start Collecting box is being redone to include an HQ/ the Painboy being moved back to the HQ slot?

They talked about the SC! box in one of the recent articles (goffs?) as if it is staying the same, which might imply painboy being moved back as they try to have a patrol in the SC! boxes.

vindicare0412 wrote:

xlDuke wrote:
Bad Moons article is up and confirmed the all-but-confirmed re-roll 1s trait. No warlord traits or stratagems shown sadly. Stompa looks much shootier and fixier but still degrades really fast and has four wound brackets with rapidly degrading WS. Gorkanaut KMK changed to a much better KMZappa.

I'm just worried they'll think the extra shooting is enough and leave it at nearly 1000 points :/

If Imperial Knights showed us anything it's that GW is willing to price knight models right about where they belong. Castellans plus all their gubbinz are still an issue, but one that can be solved.

Rockfish wrote:

 DrGiggles wrote:
Has there been any word on whether the Start Collecting box is being redone to include an HQ/ the Painboy being moved back to the HQ slot?

They talked about the SC! box in one of the recent articles (goffs?) as if it is staying the same, which might imply painboy being moved back as they try to have a patrol in the SC! boxes.

Which is really strange since one of the pictures on the GW webstore has the current contents of the SC box (including the painboy) with the addition of the SAG big mek. On the actual SC store page its still the same though

Interesting detail, the KMzappa and the Kustom Shokk Rifle both "overheat" on an unmodified hit roll of 1. I do hope CA changes all plasma type weapons to work similarly.

Hmmm, that is interesting. I suspect that CA will change that most likely for plasma type weapons. Im also thinking it will increase the cost of a lot of cheap infantry as well (which is why boyz went up)

 Daedalus81 wrote:

vindicare0412 wrote:

xlDuke wrote:
Bad Moons article is up and confirmed the all-but-confirmed re-roll 1s trait. No warlord traits or stratagems shown sadly. Stompa looks much shootier and fixier but still degrades really fast and has four wound brackets with rapidly degrading WS. Gorkanaut KMK changed to a much better KMZappa.

I'm just worried they'll think the extra shooting is enough and leave it at nearly 1000 points :/

If Imperial Knights showed us anything it's that GW is willing to price knight models right about where they belong. Castellans plus all their gubbinz are still an issue, but one that can be solved.

willing to price imperial ones sure.. xenos have a worse track records.. Stormsurge is mediocre on a good day, and wraithknights are terrible with every loadout. I hope they get the stompa, morkanaught and gorkanaught pointed correctly but with the shown profiles I am betting GW declares it fixed and the points stay pretty close to current levels. I woudl love to be wrong and see it at a 600 point area which is what it should be as shown

 G00fySmiley wrote:


willing to price imperial ones sure.. xenos have a worse track records.. Stormsurge is mediocre on a good day, and wraithknights are terrible with every loadout. I hope they get the stompa, morkanaught and gorkanaught pointed correctly but with the shown profiles I am betting GW declares it fixed and the points stay pretty close to current levels. I woudl love to be wrong and see it at a 600 point area which is what it should be as shown

At 40 wounds and no invuln 700 might be ok. Depends if there are any stratagems. I'm more keen on the 'Nauts though.

yeahm the stompa could become the next big selling model if they just gave it good rules and decreased its points. its our cheapest vehicle to purchase (for plastic for price comparison).

but GW doesnt want to sell old kits, they want to sell the new stuff, but they are unwilling to realy encourage us to pay for such kits by giving them ridiculous pts and unfair exchange rates.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:


willing to price imperial ones sure.. xenos have a worse track records.. Stormsurge is mediocre on a good day, and wraithknights are terrible with every loadout. I hope they get the stompa, morkanaught and gorkanaught pointed correctly but with the shown profiles I am betting GW declares it fixed and the points stay pretty close to current levels. I woudl love to be wrong and see it at a 600 point area which is what it should be as shown

At 40 wounds and no invuln 700 might be ok. Depends if there are any stratagems. I'm more keen on the 'Nauts though.

the thing keeping it from 700+ value for me is the lack of any inv save.

that stat line degrades very quickly and without a inv save most armies will have it down to its lower profiles pretty quickly.

 G00fySmiley wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:


willing to price imperial ones sure.. xenos have a worse track records.. Stormsurge is mediocre on a good day, and wraithknights are terrible with every loadout. I hope they get the stompa, morkanaught and gorkanaught pointed correctly but with the shown profiles I am betting GW declares it fixed and the points stay pretty close to current levels. I woudl love to be wrong and see it at a 600 point area which is what it should be as shown

At 40 wounds and no invuln 700 might be ok. Depends if there are any stratagems. I'm more keen on the 'Nauts though.

the thing keeping it from 700+ value for me is the lack of any inv save.

that stat line degrades very quickly and without a inv save most armies will have it down to its lower profiles pretty quickly.

If it costs less than 800, that'd be a miracle. Not a good points cost, just better than I expect.

geargutz wrote:
but GW doesnt want to sell old kits, they want to sell the new stuff

Yea, no.

Trukks, 'Nauts, Bikes, Nobz, and possibly Battlewagons all appear to be going down in points and all of those are not "new".

EDIT: and MANZ

I really hope the naughts go down a hefty chunk. I'd love to have a reason to go out and buy two or three. With Evil sunz and blood axes they would be a legit threat through either being quick or being sturdy.

I think it’s pretty safe to assume the Nauts are getting a points reduction, given that we already know the Morkanaut’s PL is going down to 15 (from 18 in the Index). A proportional points drop would take it to around 280.

 Nazrak wrote:
I think it’s pretty safe to assume the Nauts are getting a points reduction, given that we already know the Morkanaut’s PL is going down to 15 (from 18 in the Index). A proportional points drop would take it to around 280.

Also seeing my Morkanauts KMK going to 3d3 shots with damage fething d6 makes me happy beyond words. Its shooting might actually matter now.

Ironically, I think this is where DDD really shines, not with lots of small shots, but a few large shots. Marines don't care if I get a few extra S4 shots, but you can damn-well bet my opponent will be sweating if I roll a 6 or two for a Gork-Damned S8 AP-3 D6 weapon. And while it might not be as good as the Bad Moons tactic, but the Deffskullz tactic (of which my entire army is painted) of rerolling a single dice per squad per phase really helps out with these higher strength weapons.

My Big Mek is happy.

I selfishly just want deffkoptas to get a cost reduction. Being able to run a sizeable blob would be pretty fun I think.

Obi_wang wrote:
I selfishly just want deffkoptas to get a cost reduction. Being able to run a sizeable blob would be pretty fun I think.

I just want the ability to buy the AOBR Deffkoptas... any day now!

 NurglesR0T wrote:

Obi_wang wrote:
I selfishly just want deffkoptas to get a cost reduction. Being able to run a sizeable blob would be pretty fun I think.

I just want the ability to buy the AOBR Deffkoptas... any day now!

I've picked a few up for cheap off of ebay. If you keep an eye out you can find them fairly easily.

Obi_wang wrote:
I selfishly just want deffkoptas to get a cost reduction. Being able to run a sizeable blob would be pretty fun I think.

I've got two wings ready to go. They've been itching to see the table for a while now.

They need either a massive points reduction, or 4 shots. Or perhaps some of each.

Hope the blood axe cover rules apply to vehicles.

Would be a safe bet that that clan traits apply to all units - they're not marines so everyone gets the benefit

 JimOnMars wrote:

Obi_wang wrote:
I selfishly just want deffkoptas to get a cost reduction. Being able to run a sizeable blob would be pretty fun I think.

I've got two wings ready to go. They've been itching to see the table for a while now.

They need either a massive points reduction, or 4 shots. Or perhaps some of each.

Hope the blood axe cover rules apply to vehicles.

I think clan traits plus a points reduction will make them playable casually. May not be the best units, but would be fun to run the army Ive wanted to play.

Obi_wang wrote:
I selfishly just want deffkoptas to get a cost reduction. Being able to run a sizeable blob would be pretty fun I think.

i think we might be in luck. the defkopta was mentioned in a recent ork article.....

"Speed Freeks is a new keyword in Codex: Orks shared by all the new Ork vehicles and other Orks who feel the call of the Speedwaaagh!, like Deffkoptas and Warbikers."
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/17/17th-oct-orks-da-vehiclesgw-homepage-post-3/

GW doesn't realy talk about models they would put in the index as far as i know.
this could mean we will get the deffkopta has rules in the codex. now wether this means its for the old model or hopefully a repackage of the aobr model, we can get changed pt values in CA.

im a big fan of the defkopta and i made a bunch last edition (it was a very underappreciated model, but i did very well at a tournament with them). ill look forward to see what i can use it for this edition.

This gives me hope! My plan was to have an airborne type army with koptas, jets, and stormboyz. Perhaps the Rad Rockets and Warboss Leadfoot Gas Chugga will have a chance after all...

Obi_wang wrote:
This gives me hope! My plan was to have an airborne type army with koptas, jets, and stormboyz. Perhaps the Rad Rockets and Warboss Leadfoot Gas Chugga will have a chance after all...

a real flyboy mob.

the nobs/meks are the dakkajets/wazboms (bonus for having one jet converted from a scraphet). the boss rides into battle on a chinork. the wealthier boyz pilot deffkoptas with their "pk nob" equivalents being the ones with buzzsaws. and then finally the rank and file boys are the stormboys.

welcome to codex flymob
where every ork flys or dies!

geargutz wrote:

this could mean we will get the deffkopta has rules in the codex. now wether this means its for the old model or hopefully a repackage of the aobr model, we can get changed pt values in CA.

Well there's model on sale so odds of dissapearing was super slim to begin with.

And CA? People are so dissapointed with codex already they are hoping for post-codex point reductions? That would be funny. GW deciding to drop points before codex is even released.

The codex isn't out though. How would do we know the points haven't dropped?
And logically, if they didn't change the points cost in the codex, then they aren't going to do it in chapter approved either, as that is scheduled to be released 2 months from now.

tneva82 wrote:


Well there's model on sale so odds of dissapearing was super slim to begin with.

And CA? People are so dissapointed with codex already they are hoping for post-codex point reductions? That would be funny. GW deciding to drop points before codex is even released.

im just glad CA exists. it provides that opportunity that if the codex does suck then it can be fixed later.

yes, we dont have the codex right now, so there is a lot of speculation. but history has shown orks have been mishandled, its easier to expect GW to screw up on orks then it is to think they will buff us to top tear. so many of us will be pessimistic until we have the codex and have played enough to understand where our codex is in the meta.

even if there are great things in our codex there are alot of units that will most likely not be competitive. if the defkopta still sucks in the codex then we will have to look forward to CA for any hope. some popple build their collections around units that suck (i bloody play dreadmob lol).