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 Grimskul wrote:

 Billagio wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I'd rather hunt down the kult of speed battleforce from last year than buy the start collecting box. You get a lot more useful models out of that.

I dunno, nobz and the deff dread are pretty solid now and boyz are always good

Painboyz are pretty poop now though. And they ain't HQ choices.

That last part is key. If I could use them to fill my mandatory HQ choices, they'd be a lot better.

Also, now the Buggy and Trakk have gone, the plastic Painboy is hands-down the worst model in the Ork range.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Billagio wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I'd rather hunt down the kult of speed battleforce from last year than buy the start collecting box. You get a lot more useful models out of that.

I dunno, nobz and the deff dread are pretty solid now and boyz are always good

Painboyz are pretty poop now though. And they ain't HQ choices.

Still discount with just boyz+deff dread. And also nobs. So I wouldn't worry too much about painboy. You can toss him and nobs to garbage and you get boyz and deffdread still at discount. Albeit if you already have 30-60 boyz you don't need more. Then you probably want nobs!

 Nazrak wrote:
Also, now the Buggy and Trakk have gone, the plastic Painboy is hands-down the worst model in the Ork range.

in your opinion mate...I like him

hmm...anyway, what about that rickety old metal deffkopta?

All my DeffKoptas are from Sanctus Reach,
the now resin spindly thing on line wouldn't last an hour
in my clumsy hands!
(sad they lost the killsaw and mini-bombs...)

*assault on black reach
...and yeah, those deffkoptas are definitely the way to go, unfortunately they seem to be getting a bit rarer and more expensive on ebay these days...are they still doing those "battle for vedros" (or whatever it was called) boxes? seeing as it was just reprints of AOBR stuff, pretty sure there was a deffkopta in one of the boxes for that...and a bunch of other stuff of questionable value...

...I've accumulated about 20 of the things over the years though, so I'm set

thanks for the tip!
I'll add that to the ebay watch list!

I just converted three to big shooters and 2 more to KMKs
I guess I can run them as they are codex/index blend?

 ZoBo wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Also, now the Buggy and Trakk have gone, the plastic Painboy is hands-down the worst model in the Ork range.

in your opinion mate...I like him

hmm...anyway, what about that rickety old metal deffkopta?

Fair dos. I *cannot* get on with that figure at all. But yeah, good shout on the Deffkopta. Flipping heck it’s bad.

Wasn't that replaced with the koptas from AoBR?
Which GW doesn't sell separately for reasons?

Reverse. Koptas appeared in black reach.

(and reason likely is the sprue comes with other stuff so basically it would be like the revel box will be. That or recut mould which for plastic costs lot)

the metal deffkopta is 10 years older than the AOBR deffkopta. 1998 vs 2008.

bloody hell...even the AOBR ones are 10 years old now o_O

Huh? Well I'm surprised. Could swear there was no deth kopta in 3rd ed codex.

Also where they came from? They were pre-3rd ed codex release then.

It was one of the later additions to gorkamorka: