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 helgrenze wrote:


Even the Pope would tell you he wasn't a saint when he was younger..




... I don't think he's a saint now either FWIW.


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., with comments like this and his pizzagate antics I'm sure he's worth listening to.

On the plus side it's nice to see the American right get behind Gunn control at last.

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 Turnip Jedi wrote:
it's a secret plan to knock the box office down so the execs can claim people don't like 'Space' films as a pre-empt to Episode IX


This is a joke, right?

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I mean, yeah, looking at these all lined up, one would think that Gunn had some serious issues. However - context is important. I can't prove this, but I don't think these comments were all made at the same time, and certainly not in isolation.
It's obvious to me that these comments are made as shock "humour". If they are or not, that's subjective, but considering Gunn himself publicly apologised and explained himself over the tweets before he was even with Disney is enough reason that he shouldn't be fired. Under the same vein, RDJ (the lynchpin of the MCU, according to many people) should be fired for his drug problems. And no-one's advocating for that.

Similarly, Walt Disney himself hardly had a spotless record. Are Disney abandoning that? Are they firing the undoubtedly present ACTUAL paedophiles working for them? No - this is simply appeasement. Appeasement, funnily enough, to someone who's own comments on rape and suchlike are worse, in my eyes, because they're clearly not jokes.

It shouldn't be hard to see why this is an utter sham. Gunn's a vocal anti-Trump advocate. Some Trump supporters go through his twitter, over a decade old-tweets, take them out of context, ignore the apologies and renouncement of them, and shout as loud as they can. Disney panics, goes into short-term appeasment strategies, and treats it all as "collateral damage". If Disney was actually being morally righteous, the Paul Brothers wouldn't even have been hired by them in the first place, RDJ would also never have been Iron Man, and Disney would have some REAL explaining to do, regarding Walt Disney's own beliefs and frankly racist caricatures in their own material.

The fact that comments you make, off colour as they were, but clearly in jest, over a decade ago that you have publicly renounced can be used by someone to silence your political voice and get you fired terrifies me, as a free speaking citizen.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
it's a secret plan to knock the box office down so the execs can claim people don't like 'Space' films as a pre-empt to Episode IX


This is a joke, right?


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 Cheesecat wrote:
What were the jokes? I want a direct quote.


Well it took me all of 10 seconds on the googlebox to find a story that had a screengrab of some of the tweets in the question (a lot were just crude) - I'd hesitate to use the word 'joke' for any of them though. I don't believe any subject should be taboo for comedy (or that there's such a thing as 'too soon'), but it's important that things are done in an appropriate context. Frankie Boyle is pretty popular (personally I''m not a fan but I don't dislike him) and is known for being fairly offensive in his shows but if he was just walking round a supermarket going up to people and saying the lines he does I doubt anybody would be finding it funny, even if you were watching on.


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So, now do we get the new 'A Star is Born' pulled because it has Andrew Dice Clay in it? Considering some of his 'jokes' were just as bad and worse?

Or Maybe 'Beverly Hills Cop 4(!)' because... well do we really need another one? I'm sure Eddie Murphy's past isn't harming his career.

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 Riquende wrote:
 Cheesecat wrote:
What were the jokes? I want a direct quote.


Well it took me all of 10 seconds on the googlebox to find a story that had a screengrab of some of the tweets in the question (a lot were just crude) - I'd hesitate to use the word 'joke' for any of them though. I don't believe any subject should be taboo for comedy (or that there's such a thing as 'too soon'), but it's important that things are done in an appropriate context. Frankie Boyle is pretty popular (personally I''m not a fan but I don't dislike him) and is known for being fairly offensive in his shows but if he was just walking round a supermarket going up to people and saying the lines he does I doubt anybody would be finding it funny, even if you were watching on.


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Forgot to mention that I don't even like the GotG series.


Twitter may be public, but it's hardly walking up to people on the street, the end user is in full and complete control over who they talk to and what they see. Anyone who found his remarks too much would surely have known that after the very first, at most the second, so if they A: followed someone who at the time was apparently pretty crass and edgelordy generally and B: stuck around after seeing the first "joke" or two, then their continued state of offendedness is entirely on them.

Frankie, for example, was hardly a wallflower on his social media when I still used twitter, and anyone who chucked a hissy was quite rightly told "don't follow me then".

Those tweets aren't particularly funny, but they're pretty evidently not meant to be serious, even these days they don't even begin to approach a Poe's Law situation and the idea some bad jokes in poor taste made well over a decade ago should be grounds for sacking somebody is ridiculous, this isn't like that Arenanet developer who was actively attacking people in total seriousness while presently employed by the company that sacked her and in relation to one of that company's products.

I mean think about the kind of precedent this is setting. There's already evidence developing that trying to live up to the "curated you" that social media encourages people to present to the world is having a damaging impact on young people's psychology, and now we're going to tell them "oh yeah, and if you post anything even remotely controversial even in jest or as sarcasm, then years from now you might get the sack for it"? Even a lot of actual serious criminal offences have a statute of limitation on them, but people will be held responsible for gakky edgy jokes forever?

If we're going to live in a society where privacy and online anonymity are increasingly things of the past(a change for the worse as far as I'm concerned) and more & more of our social and professional lives require connectivity, then we have to move past this ridiculous idea that because something was written down online it somehow has more weight than something said aloud. I mean, can you image the reaction if a company tried to fire somebody because a random third party had told them that their employee once told a tasteless joke in the local pub?

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 Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, can you image the reaction if a company tried to fire somebody because a random third party had told them that their employee once told a tasteless joke in the local pub?
Exactly.

And considering that the "third party" in this case has A, said questionable things which are quite obviously not intended in the same manner (Gunn's tweets are clearly meant in parody and mocking, whereas the tweets about date rape lack the "jest" of the aforementioned), and B, almost unabashedly made not out of civil duty to Disney, but made to silence Gunn's political views, it should be clear that these accusations are ridiculous.

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This whole thing is so clearly politically motivated. I’m genuinely saddened that Disney are such cowards that they gave in to this obvious and deliberate attempt to damage someone’s career.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
 Riquende wrote:
 Cheesecat wrote:
What were the jokes? I want a direct quote.


Well it took me all of 10 seconds on the googlebox to find a story that had a screengrab of some of the tweets in the question (a lot were just crude) - I'd hesitate to use the word 'joke' for any of them though. I don't believe any subject should be taboo for comedy (or that there's such a thing as 'too soon'), but it's important that things are done in an appropriate context. Frankie Boyle is pretty popular (personally I''m not a fan but I don't dislike him) and is known for being fairly offensive in his shows but if he was just walking round a supermarket going up to people and saying the lines he does I doubt anybody would be finding it funny, even if you were watching on.


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Forgot to mention that I don't even like the GotG series.


Twitter may be public, but it's hardly walking up to people on the street, the end user is in full and complete control over who they talk to and what they see. Anyone who found his remarks too much would surely have known that after the very first, at most the second, so if they A: followed someone who at the time was apparently pretty crass and edgelordy generally and B: stuck around after seeing the first "joke" or two, then their continued state of offendedness is entirely on them.

Frankie, for example, was hardly a wallflower on his social media when I still used twitter, and anyone who chucked a hissy was quite rightly told "don't follow me then".

Those tweets aren't particularly funny, but they're pretty evidently not meant to be serious, even these days they don't even begin to approach a Poe's Law situation and the idea some bad jokes in poor taste made well over a decade ago should be grounds for sacking somebody is ridiculous, this isn't like that Arenanet developer who was actively attacking people in total seriousness while presently employed by the company that sacked her and in relation to one of that company's products.

I mean think about the kind of precedent this is setting. There's already evidence developing that trying to live up to the "curated you" that social media encourages people to present to the world is having a damaging impact on young people's psychology, and now we're going to tell them "oh yeah, and if you post anything even remotely controversial even in jest or as sarcasm, then years from now you might get the sack for it"? Even a lot of actual serious criminal offences have a statute of limitation on them, but people will be held responsible for gakky edgy jokes forever?

If we're going to live in a society where privacy and online anonymity are increasingly things of the past(a change for the worse as far as I'm concerned) and more & more of our social and professional lives require connectivity, then we have to move past this ridiculous idea that because something was written down online it somehow has more weight than something said aloud. I mean, can you image the reaction if a company tried to fire somebody because a random third party had told them that their employee once told a tasteless joke in the local pub?


From my understanding of German labour law, you could not be fired for something like this in Germany. Something which breaks the law here, like posting Nazi propaganda, yes, but just for tasteless but not illegal online comments, no. Not every country has such lax employment law as the US, and this is a good reason to keep both employment law and privacy law robust. In short, Scotland should leg it out of the UK and rejoin the EU to avoid your nightmare dystopia future!

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Of course, the hand-wringing of a few internet left-wing critics is hilarious. You know damned well that if Gunn was even slightly right of centre they'd be the ones waving the pitchforks.

The lesson to learn from these idiots?

"It's ok when we do it to them, but not ok when they do it to us!"

Funny that. For me the lesson learned is that right wing idiots are all against “PC culture” and all for “free speech” up until it can be used to attack someone left wing, and then those principles fly away very fast.
“Freedom of speech is when we have the right to say anything without consequences, but not anyone else”.

I don't really care about James Gunn being fired btw.

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Social media is where stupid people go to get fired. They can't fire you for tasteless comments you made on Twitter ten years ago if you never go on Twitter in the first place. Never post anything online that you wouldn't want the Pope to see, because no matter what, it will come back to haunt you. It's easier just to not post anything, that way you don't have to worry about what stupid thing from your past will come back to get you years later.

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Okay, so firstly, jokes are just jokes. People who take jokes seriously are really sad.
That said, the jokes in question were like really bad. It is so easy to make a hilarious pedophile joke, but this guy completely fails at it. Such incompetence is perfectly good grounds to get fired in my opinion.

But in all seriousness, some of these 'jokes' don't really seem very much like jokes to me. How is saying that going to a NAMBLA meeting made you feel 'ok being who I am' and saying that those guys are still your best friends a joke? That sounds more like he is actually struggling with pedophilia for real.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
Never heard of him - does he matter?

He directed fun movies.

squidhills wrote:
Social media is where stupid people go to get fired. They can't fire you for tasteless comments you made on Twitter ten years ago if you never go on Twitter in the first place. Never post anything online that you wouldn't want the Pope to see, because no matter what, it will come back to haunt you. It's easier just to not post anything, that way you don't have to worry about what stupid thing from your past will come back to get you years later.

In this case, I think "Never post anything online that you wouldn't want the Pope to see." is not such good advice.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Of course, the hand-wringing of a few internet left-wing critics is hilarious. You know damned well that if Gunn was even slightly right of centre they'd be the ones waving the pitchforks.

The lesson to learn from these idiots?

"It's ok when we do it to them, but not ok when they do it to us!"

Funny that. For me the lesson learned is that right wing idiots are all against “PC culture” and all for “free speech” up until it can be used to attack someone left wing, and then those principles fly away very fast.
“Freedom of speech is when we have the right to say anything without consequences, but not anyone else”.



No truer word was ever spoken.

This is just vile. Somebody doesn’t like Gunn’s politics, so they go out of their way to ruin his career. Exactly what the right continuously accuse the PC culture of the left of doing. The hypocrisy of the right is staggering.
   
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 Cheesecat wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sex jokes are one thing. The gods I don’t believe in know I’ve a twisted sense of humour.

But making jokes about kiddy fiddling? Yeah. Not at all funny,


There's some pretty good pedophile jokes out there you're missing out on and just because someone jokes about pedophilia doesn't mean they endorse it, don't take it seriously, that the joke is even pro-pedophilia to begin with, etc.


Pedophile s should be exterminated. People who joke about it should be publicly flogged. *

* Not really. I am sure this is just a pretext for something else.


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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Of course, the hand-wringing of a few internet left-wing critics is hilarious. You know damned well that if Gunn was even slightly right of centre they'd be the ones waving the pitchforks.

The lesson to learn from these idiots?

"It's ok when we do it to them, but not ok when they do it to us!"

Funny that. For me the lesson learned is that right wing idiots are all against “PC culture” and all for “free speech” up until it can be used to attack someone left wing, and then those principles fly away very fast.
“Freedom of speech is when we have the right to say anything without consequences, but not anyone else”.



No truer word was ever spoken.

This is just vile. Somebody doesn’t like Gunn’s politics, so they go out of their way to ruin his career. Exactly what the right continuously accuse the PC culture of the left of doing. The hypocrisy of the right is staggering.


So you are arguing left-wingers are ok with pedophile jokes. That's an interesting position.

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 Frazzled wrote:
 Cheesecat wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sex jokes are one thing. The gods I don’t believe in know I’ve a twisted sense of humour.

But making jokes about kiddy fiddling? Yeah. Not at all funny,


There's some pretty good pedophile jokes out there you're missing out on and just because someone jokes about pedophilia doesn't mean they endorse it, don't take it seriously, that the joke is even pro-pedophilia to begin with, etc.


Pedophile s should be exterminated. People who joke about it should be publicly flogged. *

* Not really. I am sure this is just a pretext for something else.


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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Of course, the hand-wringing of a few internet left-wing critics is hilarious. You know damned well that if Gunn was even slightly right of centre they'd be the ones waving the pitchforks.

The lesson to learn from these idiots?

"It's ok when we do it to them, but not ok when they do it to us!"

Funny that. For me the lesson learned is that right wing idiots are all against “PC culture” and all for “free speech” up until it can be used to attack someone left wing, and then those principles fly away very fast.
“Freedom of speech is when we have the right to say anything without consequences, but not anyone else”.



No truer word was ever spoken.

This is just vile. Somebody doesn’t like Gunn’s politics, so they go out of their way to ruin his career. Exactly what the right continuously accuse the PC culture of the left of doing. The hypocrisy of the right is staggering.


So you are arguing left-wingers are ok with pedophile jokes. That's an interesting position.


Nice straw man there. That’s not what I’m arguing at all and you know it. I’m arguing that the alt right are hypocrites when they talk about free speech but use tactics like this to silence critics.
   
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Skaorn wrote:
Gee, a company that built an empire off of providing entertainment for children has an extreme reaction to unearthed pedophilia jokes from someone it employs. Let me put my shocked face on.


You know damn well that Disney knew all about these tweets and didn't give a crap until now.

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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Skaorn wrote:
Gee, a company that built an empire off of providing entertainment for children has an extreme reaction to unearthed pedophilia jokes from someone it employs. Let me put my shocked face on.


You know damn well that Disney knew all about these tweets and didn't give a crap until now.
I'm sure Disney knew. I'm also sure that they didn't really care because Gunn had publicly apologised and not said anything of the sort for years.

Unfortunately, they happened to lose their spine, to cash in on some quick and easy appeasement.


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 Frazzled wrote:
 Cheesecat wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sex jokes are one thing. The gods I don’t believe in know I’ve a twisted sense of humour.

But making jokes about kiddy fiddling? Yeah. Not at all funny,


There's some pretty good pedophile jokes out there you're missing out on and just because someone jokes about pedophilia doesn't mean they endorse it, don't take it seriously, that the joke is even pro-pedophilia to begin with, etc.


Pedophile s should be exterminated. People who joke about it should be publicly flogged. *

* Not really. I am sure this is just a pretext for something else.


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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Of course, the hand-wringing of a few internet left-wing critics is hilarious. You know damned well that if Gunn was even slightly right of centre they'd be the ones waving the pitchforks.

The lesson to learn from these idiots?

"It's ok when we do it to them, but not ok when they do it to us!"

Funny that. For me the lesson learned is that right wing idiots are all against “PC culture” and all for “free speech” up until it can be used to attack someone left wing, and then those principles fly away very fast.
“Freedom of speech is when we have the right to say anything without consequences, but not anyone else”.



No truer word was ever spoken.

This is just vile. Somebody doesn’t like Gunn’s politics, so they go out of their way to ruin his career. Exactly what the right continuously accuse the PC culture of the left of doing. The hypocrisy of the right is staggering.


So you are arguing left-wingers are ok with pedophile jokes. That's an interesting position.

I'm ok with pedophile jokes, just like I'm ok with holocaust, 9/11, vietnam, cancer, alzheimer, etc... jokes. Jokes are jokes. Humour shouldn't have more limits than the context where you have using it (Going t o a child hospital to say cancer jokes... meh)

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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Skaorn wrote:
Gee, a company that built an empire off of providing entertainment for children has an extreme reaction to unearthed pedophilia jokes from someone it employs. Let me put my shocked face on.


You know damn well that Disney knew all about these tweets and didn't give a crap until now.


Gunn was already publicly shamed and apologized for this six years ago. It's not 'news' and Disney most certainly knew of it when they hired him.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Of course, the hand-wringing of a few internet left-wing critics is hilarious. You know damned well that if Gunn was even slightly right of centre they'd be the ones waving the pitchforks.

The lesson to learn from these idiots?

"It's ok when we do it to them, but not ok when they do it to us!"

Funny that. For me the lesson learned is that right wing idiots are all against “PC culture” and all for “free speech” up until it can be used to attack someone left wing, and then those principles fly away very fast.
“Freedom of speech is when we have the right to say anything without consequences, but not anyone else”.

I don't really care about James Gunn being fired btw.

Uh... the left/liberals has pushed this waaaay before the right wingers starting pushing back. They're attempting to apply the same "rules" to everyone.

Personally, I think this raginghatemob going after people's job is stupid... unless there's concrete evidence that they've perpetuated these awful deeds.


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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Skaorn wrote:
Gee, a company that built an empire off of providing entertainment for children has an extreme reaction to unearthed pedophilia jokes from someone it employs. Let me put my shocked face on.


You know damn well that Disney knew all about these tweets and didn't give a crap until now.

I know that... in some ways you have to sorta feel for Disney. They thought Gunn's apology buried that sordid history... however, Disney... the maker of kids movies does have a brand they need to protect.

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 whembly wrote:
Uh... the left/liberals has pushed this waaaay before the right wingers starting pushing back. They're attempting to apply the same "rules" to everyone.

Personally, I think this raginghatemob going after people's job is stupid... unless there's concrete evidence that they've perpetuated these awful deeds.
Just talking about it is enough to justify that. Context be damned.

(Note that I still think what Gunn said is pretty unfunny, and very crude. However, it is quite obviously an attempt at humour, and he knew this long before it came to attention and publicly denounced and apologised for it.)

Again, Disney have every right to fire who they want. They're the employers, and it's all up to them. However, it doesn't mean that they can't be criticised for it, for various factors such as the obvious political message of it, to Disney's own shady history.


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 whembly wrote:
I know that... in some ways you have to sorta feel for Disney. They thought Gunn's apology buried that sordid history... however, Disney... the maker of kids movies does have a brand they need to protect.
There's plenty of things that Disney themselves have done that's just as bad, if not worse. Hiring Jake/Logan Paul, Walt himself, various racist caricatures in their cartoons...

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 whembly wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Of course, the hand-wringing of a few internet left-wing critics is hilarious. You know damned well that if Gunn was even slightly right of centre they'd be the ones waving the pitchforks.

The lesson to learn from these idiots?

"It's ok when we do it to them, but not ok when they do it to us!"

Funny that. For me the lesson learned is that right wing idiots are all against “PC culture” and all for “free speech” up until it can be used to attack someone left wing, and then those principles fly away very fast.
“Freedom of speech is when we have the right to say anything without consequences, but not anyone else”.

I don't really care about James Gunn being fired btw.

Uh... the left/liberals has pushed this waaaay before the right wingers starting pushing back. They're attempting to apply the same "rules" to everyone.

Personally, I think this raginghatemob going after people's job is stupid... unless there's concrete evidence that they've perpetuated these awful deeds.


You’re correct that elements of the left have behaved in this shameful way (ie the hate mob of the morally outraged), but they’re not the ones who’ve always banged on in favour of free speech and against PC culture. At least the left aren’t hypocrites about their crappy behaviour.

But yeah, the raging hate mob moral minority exists at both extremes of politics and it’s crap on both sides. No wonder so many ordinary, decent, level headed people are turned off from politics these days.

I’m still annoyed at Disney for caving into this. I doubt most people know or care what James Gunn said on his twitter years ago. Lots of Marvel fans do care however, that he won’t be directing the third movie in one of the MCU’s best and most popular series.
   
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 reds8n wrote:
On the plus side it's nice to see the American right get behind Gunn control at last.





See, something good came out of this thread after all.

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Disney has a brand to protect. They want to make sure that any and all Google searches for Disney brands result in nothing questionable for young eyes. Just like how GW wants all of your Google searches for "Space Marines" to lead only to GW websites and products.
But that's not the way the internet works. Firing Gunn doesn't make the controversy go away. In fact, much like the Streisand Effect, firing him as made it front page headlines. Now, if some 10-year-old asks Alexa/Siri about the latest Guardians of the Galaxy news, they're going to get something quite different from what Disney wants them to see/hear.

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Almost all jokes make fun of something or someone. If you are open to making fun of one subsect of the community, you better own it and be open to ALL groups.

I'll fully admit I've made cancer jokes, adultery jokes, jokes about murder, jokes about culture. I'm a bit tubby and I make fatty jokes.

There is a difference between telling a joke for the intent of shock humor/dark humor, and doing it to harass someone. Making a dead-baby joke to a woman that just lost a child should get you slapped. Making a joke about yourself or your own tragedy is usually fair game.

All this said, making a joke about something evil is NEVER as bad (or even close to) actually doing something evil. The Entertainment Industry is more than happy to employ individuals that have actually committed vial acts, including admitting to sexual assault (Polanski, Amy Schumer, etc.) Firing someone for a tasteless joke while still backing these losers is mind numbing.

As for those that dug up this dirt, shame on them. Shame on anyone that does it, and I don't care what side you are on politically.
   
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 whembly wrote:
Uh... the left/liberals has pushed this waaaay before the right wingers starting pushing back.

Well, depends. Getting people fired from their job and make it impossible for them to find another one, especially in Hollywood? Classic US right wing *cough* mccarty *cough*
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If you are open to making fun of one subsect of the community, you better own it and be open to ALL groups.

Sorry but no, not all groups are the same and therefore not all groups should be treated the same.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
If you are open to making fun of one subsect of the community, you better own it and be open to ALL groups.

Sorry but no, not all groups are the same and therefore not all groups should be treated the same.


Humour should not have limits. At the same time, we have something great called respect, and humour depends of context. Nobody should be put into jail or receive some form of punishement for making a joke (Unless it enters into acose). But that does not mean making a bad joke where you shouldn't do it can't make you pay for it socially. A funeral is not the best place to make a tasteless joke, for example. Making jokes about a black man that has just recently shoot by the police can be distasteful, putting an example of something that can and probably has happened recently, but that does not mean humour should have boundaries.

"Oh, so you are part of this group, and this other group, you are allowed to make jokes about X and Y"... nah, that is no cool. Of course, I woulnd't go to a group of black people and tell N word jokes (Mainly because in spanish we don't use that word at all), but not because I believe humour should have limitations, but because I have common sense and want to mainatin my body integrity

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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Funny that. For me the lesson learned is that right wing idiots are all against “PC culture” and all for “free speech” up until it can be used to attack someone left wing, and then those principles fly away very fast.
Not really.

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